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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 6:01 AM
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^ I agree with your estimates. Here's what I guess the heights are, based off The Towers in the background. (Also, what's with the Wells Fargo building, Emerald tower, etc.? They're short and stubby, and don't even resemble the real buildings...)

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More fishwrap this week from the Union: a follow-up story with a picture of the "smoking gun" of the Chinese cemetery, a tombstone with "Chinese lettering" found 35 years ago. Interestingly enough, the text of the article states that a local Chinese person identified the tombstone as Japanese, but written in Chinese (although Japanese and Chinese use the same basic system of ideograms.)

The writer makes the assumption that Japanese and Chinese must have used the same cemetery, since they were both Asian--so now this isn't just a Chinese cemetery, but a Japanese/Chinese one. Never mind that the Japanese and Chinese lived in separate neighborhoods, spoke different languages, and traditionally get along somewhat like England and France (in good times) or Jews and Moslems (in not-so-good times.)

The archaeologist, oops, I'm sorry, the retired water filtration station employee, estimates the gravestone to be from the late 1800s. Of course, the construction of the Shops started in 1863 and most of the surrounding area was swampland, not providing many ways to dig graves.

The article also states that the tombstone was found uphill from the railyards, near the PG&E building, but claims that during Sacramento's frequent floods it might have floated upstream. The fact that Sacramento's railyards were built up from the 1860s onwards, or exactly how a granite slab floated upstream, are not mentioned.

The other bit of comedy was when the author claimed the Chinese settlement was in North Sacramento (North Sacramento used to be a separate city, on the other side of the American River, which most people know these days as the North Sacramento/Del Paso Heights area.)

The same writer also wrote a nice piece on the Alhambra Theater, which I haven't really checked over for accuracy yet, although I did notice that he claims there were 805,000 people in the city of Sacramento in 1973...
I don't understand your point of all of this. Is the author of the Union story trying to hinder development in the rail yards or is he/she trying to just report about a cemetery? I kind of find it interesting, maybe they will make some kind of Asian Railroad worker museum there with cool architecture....
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econgrad: It's kind of unclear. One thing that the articles don't mention is that Thomas Enterprises is working with local Chinese American historians on a proposed "Yee Fow Museum" ("Yee Fow"="Second City") to be focused on Sacramento's Chinatown. Chinese railroad workers are already recognized as part of the current Railroad Museum, which focuses on railroad labor and social history, but of course many of those Chinese stayed in town and the region after the railroad was completed. This stuff about a cemetery seems to be entirely separate, and from what I can tell from the vague directions in the article, this "Chinese cemetery" is almost certainly not in the Railyards, but probably somewhere in the Richards Boulevard area (for starters, the era which they describe as the probable era of the cemetery's use was after the main Shops buildings were already built and the yards were in regular operation.)

One of the detail maps of the Railyards were height limits alongside the Boxcar Parks and next to the Shops buildings (ranging from around 80'-105') but with the potential to go taller away from those points: hotel towers along the riverfront will definitely be part of the plan, to provide large hotels with a comparatively small footprint and leaving space for public parkways along the river.
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^ Its great to see progress, how long before the dirt clean up is finished?
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Railyard Newletter

Never mind just recieved this email this morning


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Railyards Summer 2007 Newsletter
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Friends of The Railyards;

The Railyards Project Moves into Final Approval Process
The public-private partnership between Thomas Enterprises and the City of Sacramento to develop one of the largest urban infill projects in the nation is moving closer to a critical juncture to allow the development to move forward. During the next several months, a series of public hearings will precede a vote by City Council to open and connect the property to the rest of the city after 150 years of ownership by the railroad. Once approved, infrastructure work can begin with actual construction scheduled to start in 2008. Your support during this time will be crucial to insure the development of a world-class destination befitting a state that is one of the largest economies of the world.
Congresswoman Doris Matsui Visits Site; Pledges Support ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


As a member of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Transportation, Congresswoman Doris Matsui is working to secure $350 million in federal funding which is available through the Rail Line Relocation and Improvement Program. These needed federal funds as well as state and local matches are necessary to relocate the downtown rail tracks to the north to create the Sacramento Valley Intermodal station.
The new transit facility will feature light rail, rail and bus connections, freight services and pedestrian linkages on the south end of The Railyards property, anchoring the new transit-oriented development. This will greatly facilitate and support the growing transportation needs of the region, including Amtrak's third busiest route in the nation, the popular Capitol Corridor. At build-out, 90% of the residents of The Railyards will live within one quarter mile of a light-rail station.

At right Thomas Enterprises Vice President Suheil Totah
and Assistant City Manager Marty Hanneman brief the
Congresswoman about transportation needs.


State Business Transportation and Housing Secretary Tours The Railyards
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As Thomas Enterprises creates one of the state's largest transit-oriented developments, the regional and statewide benefits of the project are gaining recognition. The creation of a smart-growth infill development near the State Capitol that promotes mass transit, affordable housing, historic preservation and open space will allow state officials and lawmakers to showcase how a sustainable development can provide needed economic benefits. The Railyards is expected to result in a $10 billion dollar economic boost to the region, with the creation of thousands of new jobs and increased tax revenues. Recently, newly appointed California Secretary of Business, Transportation and Housing, Dale Bonner, toured the property for a first hand look at the project.

At left Secretary Bonner discusses economic potential
with Thomas Enterprises Development Director Richard Rich.



Important Dates
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If you would like to learn more about the project, a joint hearing by the City's Planning, Design and Preservation Commissioners will be held on Tuesday, September 11 at 5:30 p.m. at the downtown Sheraton, 1230 J Street, Sacramento.
The City is taking additional public comment on Thursday, September 13 on the draft environmental impact report at Old City Hall, 915 I Street, second floor beginning at 5:30 p.m. For more information please visit our Web site at www.sacramentorailyards.com or www.cityofsacramento.org


Contact Information
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Thomas Enterprises - 431 I Street, Suite 202 - Sacramento, Ca, 95814
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The first of three joint hearings happened last night at the Sheraton. All three of the city's boards (Design Review, Preservation and Planning) were present to hear and add comments to the Railyards plan.

The basic idea, right now, is that the Railyards will work like a suburban PUD: A general and specific plan will be generated, with guidelines about how the buildings should look and how the street pattern will work. Once these plans are approved, new structures within the project will be approved by city staff and skip the regular review process. Central to the plan is the preservation and adaptive reuse of the Shops buildings, which will form the cultural and social center of the new neighborhood. Thomas Enterprises is completing the research needed to have the Shops area declared a city historic preservation district, but others in town are applying to have the Shops area declared a national historic landmark district. In either case it is clear that historic preservation is a high priority to all the parties involved. Many of the board members voiced their appreciation for Thomas Enterprises' attention to detail and conscientious approach to the Railyards development.

Admittedly I didn't learn a whole lot that was new at this meeting, but it's always interesting to pick up the new tidbits.
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Varied interests vie for inside track at railyard
By Mary Lynne Vellinga - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Thursday, September 13, 2007
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A16

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Sacramento's downtown railyard is a blank slate, and everybody wants to write on it.

History buffs have asked for a 39-acre historic district surrounding the old railroad shops. Chinese leaders want a museum and perhaps a Chinese garden. Local arts groups envision a complex with performing arts venues and a kindergarten-12th grade arts conservatory.

A year after a failed city-county effort to build an arena in the railyard, a planned development of up to 12,000 housing units, a historic and cultural district, and millions of square feet of office and retail space is working its way through the approval process.

As it moves closer to approval, more people are trying to stake their claim on what's considered one of the most significant "infill" sites in the country.

The plans are big. And so are the problems.

Not only must developer Thomas Enterprises juggle the competing agendas of interest groups clamoring for a piece of the railyard, it must figure out how to come up with hundreds of millions of dollars needed to extend roads, utilities and other infrastructure to the site.

To that end, the Atlanta company is working with the city for quick approval of its development plan and environmental impact report, which was released last month.

If the project obtains the city's blessing by November, Suheil Totah, Thomas Enterprises vice president, said the project stands a better chance of winning up to $200 million in state bond funds.

"One of the criteria for the money is project readiness," Totah said. "We want to show that we're ready."

The situation in the railyard is still uncertain enough that the NBA has turned its sights to Cal Expo instead of the railyard as a possible arena location.

Still, Totah and community leaders who appeared at the city's first formal hearing on the railyard proposal Tuesday expressed considerable excitement.

If it obtains money from the state's $2.85 billion housing bond, Totah said that could pay for enough public improvements for the first phase to proceed.

He called the railyard a "marquee project" for the infill and transit-oriented pots of money in the state bond fund.

"The mayor has appeared before the Legislature to present the railyards as an example of a project that could be funded under them," he said. "We've had meetings with the Governor's Office. We're hoping that we can secure $100 million, but perhaps up to $200 million."

It took Thomas Enterprises six years to reach an agreement with Union Pacific to buy the railyard. Since the sale closed in December, the planning process has picked up steam.

On Tuesday, the city held the first of three joint hearings by its Planning, Design and Preservation commissions at the Sheraton Hotel. Normally, a developer would have to go before each commission separately, which can take many months.

City officials said it was the first time they knew of that the commissions had met jointly to consider a project. The idea is to get the railyard plan to the City Council by November -- warp speed by city standards.

Opening the meeting, Councilman Ray Tretheway said the redeveloped railyard would redefine Sacramento as the region's hub.

"It's going to have its own signature, its own specialness, and that's what we're going to try to carve out over these next couple of months," he said.

People have different ideas about what makes the railyard special, however.

Appearing before the commission, Steve Yee recalled its history as the site of Sacramento's former Chinatown -- Yee Fow -- on the banks of a slough filled in by Union Pacific. He is leading an effort to build a museum in the railyard.

"We cannot exclude the Chinese from this discussion," Yee said.

Richard Rich, development director for Thomas Enterprises, said he's enthused about the idea of a Chinese history museum. The development firm also has embraced the idea of a performing arts complex.

But Thomas Enterprises takes issue with an application filed last month by the California State Railroad Museum Foundation, the Sacramento Old City Association and other preservation groups to have 39 acres around the shops designated as a federally protected historic district.

The proposed district would stretch to the Sacramento River, where Thomas Enterprises proposes to build high-rises.

Totah said Thomas Enterprises already has filed to have about 14 acres designated as a local preservation district. This land encompasses the historic shops, two of which have been earmarked for the state to use as an extension of the Railroad Museum.

The developer also was considering a federal filing, but the museum foundation beat the company to the punch. The foundation is seeking a larger historic district that includes now vacant sites such as the former right of way of the transcontinental railroad tracks.

Kathy Daigle, associate director of the foundation, said the groups want to spur public discussion over the appropriate boundaries for the historic area.

"We think we have only one chance to get this right," she said.

Daigle said having a historic designation would not prevent Thomas Enterprises from building on the land around the shops, but would limit the height of buildings in the district, requiring that they be compatible with the 19th-century shop buildings.

"It just means you can't build high-rise buildings right next to these historic buildings," she said.

Representatives for Thomas Enterprises disagreed. They said the historic district designation could impose another layer of delay and bureaucracy on a project that's on the edge of being mired in difficulty.

Totah said his company already has spent nearly $150 million to plan the railyard development, buy the property and clean up contaminants left by a century of dumping.

"We want to build this plan, and it's got to be economically feasible," he said.

About the writer:
The Bee's Mary Lynne Vellinga can be reached at (916) 321-1094 or mlvellinga@ sacbee.com.



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I'm pretty opptomistic about the railyards. It seems like there's been a recent push to get things moving. Granted, I've only started to pay attention to this for the past year, but it looks like it's on track.
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Stop all the meetings and BS already and just let Thomas Enterprises start building ASAP.
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Stop all the meetings and BS already and just let Thomas Enterprises start building ASAP.
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Patience, grasshopper...they only cleared the sale in December, and there's a lot of dirt yet to be dragged out. It's just not something that happens overnight. Besides, we really only do get one chance to do it right, and it appears Thomas is willing to take their time--they're pursuing state funding right now for the infrastructure.
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But Thomas Enterprises takes issue with an application filed last month by the California State Railroad Museum Foundation, the Sacramento Old City Association and other preservation groups to have 39 acres around the shops designated as a federally protected historic district.

The proposed district would stretch to the Sacramento River, where Thomas Enterprises proposes to build high-rises.

Totah said Thomas Enterprises already has filed to have about 14 acres designated as a local preservation district. This land encompasses the historic shops, two of which have been earmarked for the state to use as an extension of the Railroad Museum.

The developer also was considering a federal filing, but the museum foundation beat the company to the punch. The foundation is seeking a larger historic district that includes now vacant sites such as the former right of way of the transcontinental railroad tracks.

Kathy Daigle, associate director of the foundation, said the groups want to spur public discussion over the appropriate boundaries for the historic area.

"We think we have only one chance to get this right," she said.

Daigle said having a historic designation would not prevent Thomas Enterprises from building on the land around the shops, but would limit the height of buildings in the district, requiring that they be compatible with the 19th-century shop buildings.

"It just means you can't build high-rise buildings right next to these historic buildings," she said.
Daigle can suck it.

These damn gadflies need to get a life or, preferably, get the hell out of Sacramento. Do they even own the property? Control freaks. They bring nothing but barriers to development.
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I sense nothing on this for the rest of 2007
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I sense nothing on this for the rest of 2007
I sense that not a single structure will be built for 5 solid years.
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Daigle can suck it.

These damn gadflies need to get a life or, preferably, get the hell out of Sacramento. Do they even own the property? Control freaks. They bring nothing but barriers to development.
Ditto to this too!

I am returning to Beijing in March (2008), I am excited to see how much it has changed in the last 10 years, I hear it is simply incredible. How much has Sacramento changed in the last 10 years? Not much, because there are too many selfish preservationists that want to preserve buildings and land that a very very small minority of people care about....its just frustrating. Hmm, thats a bit of a rant, and I am not excluding how different our societies are, but we are the capitol of California, 7th largest economy, and we have trouble building high rises? Not skyscrapers, but lousy high rises?! Decent transportation?! Is anyone else sick of all this bureaucracy and crap that continues to push this town further into mediocrity, while the rest of the world and other cities in this nation move forward? ok...I feel better now...there's my rant. I think I will look for some positive news to post for us now...I hope I can find some.
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Ditto to this too!

I am returning to Beijing in March (2008), I am excited to see how much it has changed in the last 10 years, I hear it is simply incredible. How much has Sacramento changed in the last 10 years? Not much, because there are too many selfish preservationists that want to preserve buildings and land that a very very small minority of people care about....its just frustrating. Hmm, thats a bit of a rant, and I am not excluding how different our societies are, but we are the capitol of California, 7th largest economy, and we have trouble building high rises? Not skyscrapers, but lousy high rises?! Decent transportation?! Is anyone else sick of all this bureaucracy and crap that continues to push this town further into mediocrity, while the rest of the world and other cities in this nation move forward? ok...I feel better now...there's my rant. I think I will look for some positive news to post for us now...I hope I can find some.
I agree.
this loser town, can't even expand its main art museum because of a screwy docent and her bunya bunya tree. I wonder how long the Crocker Art Museum expansion will be delayed or if will even get built.

These people hold up projects simply because they can. It is so easy to delay projects based CEQA and the "process".
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Varied interests vie for inside track at railyard
By Mary Lynne Vellinga - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Thursday, September 13, 2007
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A16

Print | E-Mail | Comments (0)| Digg it | del.icio.us


Sacramento's downtown railyard is a blank slate, and everybody wants to write on it.

History buffs have asked for a 39-acre historic district surrounding the old railroad shops. Chinese leaders want a museum and perhaps a Chinese garden. Local arts groups envision a complex with performing arts venues and a kindergarten-12th grade arts conservatory.

A year after a failed city-county effort to build an arena in the railyard, a planned development of up to 12,000 housing units, a historic and cultural district, and millions of square feet of office and retail space is working its way through the approval process.

As it moves closer to approval, more people are trying to stake their claim on what's considered one of the most significant "infill" sites in the country.

The plans are big. And so are the problems.

Not only must developer Thomas Enterprises juggle the competing agendas of interest groups clamoring for a piece of the railyard, it must figure out how to come up with hundreds of millions of dollars needed to extend roads, utilities and other infrastructure to the site.

To that end, the Atlanta company is working with the city for quick approval of its development plan and environmental impact report, which was released last month.

If the project obtains the city's blessing by November, Suheil Totah, Thomas Enterprises vice president, said the project stands a better chance of winning up to $200 million in state bond funds.

"One of the criteria for the money is project readiness," Totah said. "We want to show that we're ready."

The situation in the railyard is still uncertain enough that the NBA has turned its sights to Cal Expo instead of the railyard as a possible arena location.

Still, Totah and community leaders who appeared at the city's first formal hearing on the railyard proposal Tuesday expressed considerable excitement.

If it obtains money from the state's $2.85 billion housing bond, Totah said that could pay for enough public improvements for the first phase to proceed.

He called the railyard a "marquee project" for the infill and transit-oriented pots of money in the state bond fund.

"The mayor has appeared before the Legislature to present the railyards as an example of a project that could be funded under them," he said. "We've had meetings with the Governor's Office. We're hoping that we can secure $100 million, but perhaps up to $200 million."

It took Thomas Enterprises six years to reach an agreement with Union Pacific to buy the railyard. Since the sale closed in December, the planning process has picked up steam.

On Tuesday, the city held the first of three joint hearings by its Planning, Design and Preservation commissions at the Sheraton Hotel. Normally, a developer would have to go before each commission separately, which can take many months.

City officials said it was the first time they knew of that the commissions had met jointly to consider a project. The idea is to get the railyard plan to the City Council by November -- warp speed by city standards.

Opening the meeting, Councilman Ray Tretheway said the redeveloped railyard would redefine Sacramento as the region's hub.

"It's going to have its own signature, its own specialness, and that's what we're going to try to carve out over these next couple of months," he said.

People have different ideas about what makes the railyard special, however.

Appearing before the commission, Steve Yee recalled its history as the site of Sacramento's former Chinatown -- Yee Fow -- on the banks of a slough filled in by Union Pacific. He is leading an effort to build a museum in the railyard.

"We cannot exclude the Chinese from this discussion," Yee said.

Richard Rich, development director for Thomas Enterprises, said he's enthused about the idea of a Chinese history museum. The development firm also has embraced the idea of a performing arts complex.

But Thomas Enterprises takes issue with an application filed last month by the California State Railroad Museum Foundation, the Sacramento Old City Association and other preservation groups to have 39 acres around the shops designated as a federally protected historic district.

The proposed district would stretch to the Sacramento River, where Thomas Enterprises proposes to build high-rises.

Totah said Thomas Enterprises already has filed to have about 14 acres designated as a local preservation district. This land encompasses the historic shops, two of which have been earmarked for the state to use as an extension of the Railroad Museum.

The developer also was considering a federal filing, but the museum foundation beat the company to the punch. The foundation is seeking a larger historic district that includes now vacant sites such as the former right of way of the transcontinental railroad tracks.

Kathy Daigle, associate director of the foundation, said the groups want to spur public discussion over the appropriate boundaries for the historic area.

"We think we have only one chance to get this right," she said.

Daigle said having a historic designation would not prevent Thomas Enterprises from building on the land around the shops, but would limit the height of buildings in the district, requiring that they be compatible with the 19th-century shop buildings.

"It just means you can't build high-rise buildings right next to these historic buildings," she said.

Representatives for Thomas Enterprises disagreed. They said the historic district designation could impose another layer of delay and bureaucracy on a project that's on the edge of being mired in difficulty.

Totah said his company already has spent nearly $150 million to plan the railyard development, buy the property and clean up contaminants left by a century of dumping.

"We want to build this plan, and it's got to be economically feasible," he said.

About the writer:
The Bee's Mary Lynne Vellinga can be reached at (916) 321-1094 or mlvellinga@ sacbee.com.



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Oh please! These morons are choosing to preserve a former-but-presently-non-existant Chinatown, and commemorate a freightyard/toxic dump instead of allowing the company that cleaned up the dump to put in a nice new urban neighborhood? Um, how 'bout a statue for the Chinese and an old locomotive for kids to play on in the same 1/4 acre park. I would think the big issue would be bitchin' about the railyards project not including the final NorCal stop of High Speed Rail. Good luck Sacramento.
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So true! I agree. The irony of it all. These idiot so called "preservations" and "environmentalists" would never have allowed the railyards to be built in the first place. Now they want to preserve a bunch of rusty old buildings and control the whole destiny and feel of the place. Their restrictions will doom the project to Old Sac status. Dont these "preservations", "nimbys" and "enviornmentalists" realize all the great American and European cities were built without restrictions, design committess, and endless buruecracy. Almost all of our great architectural icons were built in record time.
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