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[Chi649]

Originally Posted by PIZ

I don't mean to get into a debate here, but just to voice my opinion. Considering Spires as a final height? I never looked at how tall a house was counting the chimney as part of it's height, I always felt that the highest point to a building should be considered by the highest point a human being can stand on (that being the roof in most cases). This being said, the Sears Towers Sky-deck is higher then the roof of the freedom tower, I do not see how Spires ever gotten to the point of being considered in the final height! Counting the spire is basically saying to developers "Go ahead, you can cheat, add a spire, we will count it!". So I can go and build a building 500 feet tall, add a 2000 foot spire to it, and claim it as the worlds tallest!! Come on now people, spires are non-sense! If you look at the Petronas Towers next to the Sears Tower, it is so evident which building is taller, Sears Tower looks so much more massive and taller then Petronas Towers!! I think the person who designed the Freedom Tower added such a tall Spire just because of the fear that no one would go in the building if the roof was to 1,776 feet, they are cheating and getting away with it, plain and simple!! ..........'PIZ'

I don't see the issue of counting spires as a black and white one. To me, it's all about THE PERCEPTION of how tall the building is. If a spire significantly contributes to how tall you perceive that building to be, then I have no problem with it being counted in the official height. It looks like FT's spire will be robust so I think it should be counted. Of couse, it takes more engineering and is far more impressive to have a roof height of 1776' as opposed to a spire, but will the tower actually appear taller? To me that should be the gold standard when doing a comparative height analysis of two buildings. To say that spires count for nothing really goes against my logic, but to each his own .

[Para]

I always used to think spires should count for something, stemming from the fact that buildings had taken the height record from the Sears Tower, a building I hold in high regard, by just a few feet of roof height. So I was always the type to say "Well, Sears is still taller." But after reading a bit about tall buildings, really, spires suck.

I always think that the most powerful example is that I could add a 3000 foot spire on my house and have the tallest building in the world. It shouldn't be that way and I'm happy that whatever commission decided that tall buildings won't be counted by spires made the decision that they did.

Roof height all the way.

[STERNyc]

Who cares?

[Dac150]

Originally Posted by STERNyc

Who cares?

Obviously a lot of people. I for one never did and still do not.

[Atlriser]

Still on this crap....lord, moderator please step in

[SNT1]

If you think its height should be 1368, so be it. If it's 1776, so be it. Remember, roof height and spire height /total structural height are only two separate CTBUH categories.

For example, if you lurk in the Burj Dubai threads, it seems like the benchmark of its height is the Sears, moreso than Petronas and T101. I dont think Petronas is ever mentioned at all in that thread. So if you think lie this (I do), more power to ya! It doesn't matter.

Btw, this topic sucks. Not posting about it aymore--

[Dac150]

Same goes for me, how about we talk about something that actually matters. Perhaps the actual construction.

[SNT1]

Same goes for me, how about we talk about something that actually matters. Perhaps the actual construction.

A good idea.... only if there's actual construction going on!!! ZZZIIING!!!!

just kidding.

[TAFisher123]

Kazakhstan, number one, exporter of potassium....other countries have inferior levels of potassium......that plaza will give the town rapist somewhere to go....I like very much U S and A copy that towers

[cactus22minus1]

Draw your own conclusions and deal with it. [shrug]

[Dac150]

See, the Freedom Towers is hands down taller than the Sears Tower no matter anyway you slice it.

That diagram should end all of aluminum's and anyone elses yapping about which building is taller.

[cactus22minus1]

^What? Something I think EVERYONE would agree on is that it's NOT the same any way you slice it... There's two basic ways to slice it: spires count, or they don't. Now look at the diagram again...

And we're back to square one... so how about everyone deals with it on their own cause everyone is not going to agree. That means no snide 'told ya so' remarks from either side...

[Dalton]

Originally Posted by jstush04

^^ guys?? ^ whats up with ^ all of this ^^^ crap?? ^^
I thought this kind of stuff was for when the building was under proposal.... Lets see some construction pics!




so, who thinks this shape will be the new box?
The Kazakhstan copy is much more of a ripoff of freedom tower than FT is of Lopez, IMHO

When you see the three together, you begin to appreciate the well-proportioned simple pure beauty of the Freedom Tower design. It won't be long after it's completed before it becomes a classic icon of New York City - and America. Add in 2 and 3 WTC and the new complex will be stunning. I can't for the life of me understand why so many people hate it. I only hope I live long enough to see it completed.

[Dac150]

In over all height: the Freedom Tower is taller

In roof height: the Sears Tower is taller

That is the only way to slice it. Some will think spires count and others won't.

[CarlosV]

courtesy of PANYNJ

keep it coming love...

[Dr. Taco]

hallelujah, thank you SO MUCH for the pics!!

[aluminum]

Originally Posted by Dac150

In over all height: the Freedom Tower is taller

In roof height: the Sears Tower is taller

That is the only way to slice it. Some will think spires count and others won't.

Also 'the highest habitable floor' is 3rd and last way to slice it, I read it somewhere.
Anyways, NICE UPDATE pussy willow, thanks.

[br.reese]

Are all the buildings going up at the same time in the same hole?

[Daquan13]

Eventually, they should ALL be rising almost simutaneously, with one not too far behind the other.

We should see that start happening next year.

[aluminum]

And they all will be nearing completion in around 2011.
It will be an interesting site to see how all those 4 buildings rise together, 1 or 2 years later.