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Old Posted Feb 15, 2007, 3:14 AM
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If i had to work in this new tower..

Well quite frankly i'd be terrified

But i love the design, this should be a fun construction
     
     
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A week or so ago,Cuozzo had given an indication that the tower should be put on hold for a while.

Has he had a change of heart since then and now wants to throw his name in the hat since Blacksone stepped up to the plate and is thinking about buying the tower?

My, my, my, how the tide has changed!!
One article was an opinion piece, the other just reporting news. Which is why I don't make decisions based on people's opinions. Everyone could see the market in Manhattan was increasingly tight. And even with the Twin Towers and 10msf of extra office space, Downtown Manhattan had run out of space.

The towers will be built, and they'll have tenants.
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Well as I said earlier, I don't give a crap WHO wants to buy the tower. I just want to see it get built!
     
     
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Hehe. I think you've made that quite clear.
     
     
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Another opinion on the Freedom Tower

(NY Times)

Freedom From Fear

By GUY NORDENSON
February 16, 2007

THERE is still time to take the fear out of the Freedom Tower. Despite reports that Gov. Eliot Spitzer has now decided to back the project, the fact is that with a little time it is still possible to rethink the tower and make it both secure and welcoming without setting back the overall ground zero construction schedule.


The current design, which was unveiled in 2006, was created under pressure from former Gov. George Pataki, who tied his presidential ambitions to its swift completion. In this plan, the architects and engineers, for several reasons, took a very conservative approach. The result, a 20-story fortified wall around the base of a 1,776-foot tower, hardly evokes freedom — rather, it embodies fear and anxiety.

I write from experience. Some four years ago I began working with David Childs, the principal architect, on the first version of the Freedom Tower. This was a 2,000-foot-tall structure of torquing glass and steel; the bottom half contained the office building while the top half was a broadcast tower composed of an open framework of cables and trusses. (Also in 2002 The New York Times Magazine published a proposal of mine for a 2,000-foot-tall broadcast tower on the site that we have been working on intermittently ever since.)

The structure would have given the tower the widest TV broadcast capacity possible, at the maximum height allowed by the Federal Aviation Administration. The office floors ended at about 70 stories, matching the tallest downtown office building, with as much overall floor area as the current design and with every floor having direct access to the ground level by elevator. The open, cable-stayed upper 1,000 feet of the structure would have had wind turbines that would have met more than 20 percent of the building’s energy needs, a fitting symbol for a city whose seal includes a windmill.

While the basic design won over almost everyone involved with the project, including many of the governor’s advisers, Mr. Pataki asked the architect to amend it in late 2003. Specifically, he wanted Mr. Childs to reduce the upper structure from 2,000 to 1,500 feet, and to add a slender 276-foot antenna to make it a symbolic 1,776 feet tall. The alterations, unfortunately, made the design impossible to build, and eventually the entire concept was abandoned.

So Mr. Childs presented the revised Freedom Tower, which meets Mr. Pataki’s interests but bears no resemblance to his initial design. It is in every way inferior, and those flaws — in terms of aesthetics, economics, security and ethics — are all rooted in the way in which it was conceived.

First, the aesthetics. The critics have not been kind to the Freedom Tower. The solid geometry is self-centered — this newspaper’s critic wrote that it “evokes a gigantic glass paperweight with a toothpick stuck on top” — without any sense of orientation or any recognition of its place in the skyline. This is a shame, especially considering what the same architects showed they were capable of next door, in the elegant new 7 World Trade Center building.

But it is understandable: not only were the architects rushed by Mr. Pataki, but after the ordeal of the first design’s development and rejection, it seems natural that Mr. Childs would reach for a simple geometry the second time around. The result, unfortunately, would be second rate in Chicago, Dubai or Shanghai, and should not be the symbol of New York City, let alone freedom.

Second, the finances of the new building are a disaster. The Freedom Tower will most likely cost around $3 billion to build, for 2.6 million square feet of office space. The cost of $1,150 a square foot is nearly twice what it cost to build the new Museum of Modern Art, for which I was also the engineer. Of the cost, about $1 billion will be paid with insurance money collected by the ground zero leaseholder, Larry Silverstein.

Assuming that the owners of the Freedom Tower, the Port Authority, are able to sign government or other tenants on at market rate rents of $50 to $60 per square foot, the income on the entire property, after expenses and taxes and including the rent on the TV antennas, will be at most $100 million dollars a year, which is less than 4 percent return on the investment. The Port Authority would do better buying back its bonds, which now offer a return of greater than 5 percent. What is more, the property is probably uninsurable, so the Port Authority will be spending billions for a below-market return and a substantial risk.

Third, the security concerns that have blocked so many facets of the plan remain unresolved. Last January, I sat in a meeting in the New York City police commissioner’s conference room and listened to a debate on various security plans and blast-resistant designs for the different projects at ground zero. In the end, James Kallstrom, Governor Pataki’s senior counterterrorism adviser and the security coordinator for ground zero, closed the discussion by saying, “Structural engineers will have to certify that the design meets the threat basis.”

I understood this to mean that as long as the engineers signed off on the design, everything would be considered fine. This is worrisome, especially given that that the computer software that is being used to simulate the blast effects is proprietary and classified by the federal government, and that the structural engineers being asked to certify the building do not have clearance or direct access to the program, only the data given them by the software.

In contrast, the approach taken by most private building owners in the city — which generally includes physical tests, repeated independent computer simulations and help from the Defense Department’s technical support working group — provides real assurances of security. The Freedom Tower deserves the same sound engineering approach as any commercial project.

The final problem with the tower is less obvious: the politically charged situation under which it was conceived has led to ethical problems in terms of tenancy. Mr. Silverstein never wanted to build the Freedom Tower, and few could blame him. The site is awkward, too far from public transportation and Wall Street, and the tower is too big for the downtown real estate market to absorb in time to realize a good profit. Last year, he exchanged this problem for the three towers he is now developing on the site, leaving the Port Authority saddled with the Freedom Tower.

The authority itself, however, will not occupy the Freedom Tower but will rent space from Mr. Silverstein in Tower Four, at the opposite corner of the site. So far, state agencies, under pressure from Mr. Pataki, have signed on for about 400,000 square feet (roughly one-sixth of the tower’s floor space) Federal agencies including the Customs Service and the Secret Service will most likely sign on for 600,000 square feet.

In other words, government employees are being conscripted to occupy a tower that no private company or authority — including the building’s owner — will take. At a time when there is considerable anguish over the 20,000 additional troops that President Bush wants to send to Baghdad, it seems that the ethics of forcing thousands of state and federal employees to work in fear in the Freedom Tower is fundamentally flawed.

The good news is that it is not too late to change things. The current construction of the foundation and subterranean levels does not lock us into a final design above ground. The work should continue up to the ground level and stop (this should take about a year) so that the architects and engineers are given another chance to design a Freedom Tower that, like other buildings rising downtown, is financially viable and a secure and welcoming work environment worthy of its place in the skyline.

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^Oh, enough already.

Cut thru the self-righteous blather, and what you wind up with is, This guy is upset that the design HE worked on wasn't selected.

Tough titties.
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Port Authority Should Sell Freedom Tower Site Now: Joe Mysak

By Joe Mysak

Feb. 16 (Bloomberg) -- The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey should sell the World Trade Center site's proposed Freedom Tower. And then it should rebuild Pennsylvania Station.

It was a good idea for the Port Authority to get out of the real estate business back in the 1990s, when the idea of selling or leasing the World Trade Center was first discussed. It is an even better idea now.

Especially now, because there are so many investors looking to buy or lease public assets, things like toll roads, lotteries and airports, and manage them for a profit. States and localities from coast to coast are looking at their assets and considering which businesses to sell.

Surely developing real estate, and then acting as a landlord, isn't exactly one of the core competencies of any municipal government. As more than one observer has pointed out, the original World Trade Center was a white elephant for years after it was opened in 1970.

As for Pennsylvania Station -- maybe now it is time to restore one of the glories of New York, almost four decades after one of the worst acts of urban vandalism was perpetrated in the name of commerce.

I'm not talking about the Port Authority somehow getting involved in the long-delayed transformation of the Farley Post Office into a new, ersatz Pennsylvania Station. That's been talked about for years. No, I am talking about rebuilding the old Pennsylvania Station.

Train Stations

The American Institute of Architects released the results of a poll on ``America's Favorite Architecture'' on Feb. 7. Almost without exception, the architecture favored by Americans is old.

The Empire State Building was No. 1 on the list, which also contained a lot of the usual suspects: the Chrysler Building in New York; the Biltmore Estate in Asheville, North Carolina; the Hotel Del Coronado in San Diego; Thomas Jefferson's Monticello, in Charlottesville, Virginia.

There were also a lot of train stations on the list. That's not surprising, because so many of the train stations were built at the turn of the century, in the grand Beaux-Arts style, like Grand Central Terminal in New York, and Union Stations in Washington, Chicago and St. Louis. Those buildings were imposing. They filled the eye and lifted the soul.

Rallying Preservationists

Pennsylvania Station was on the AIA's list, too, down at No. 143, although it isn't even a memory for most people. The building was demolished between 1963 and 1966. Its destruction proved decisive in rallying the urban preservation movement, both in New York and elsewhere.

New Yorkers now know that pulling down Penn Station was a very great mistake, if not outright insane, and sadly diminished the city. But it's not irreversible. The McKim, Mead & White architectural plans are on file at the New York Historical Society. Sure, there are office towers and Madison Square Garden and real estate moguls to deal with, but nothing is ever simple in New York.

Rebuilding Pennsylvania Station may be a dream. Getting the Port Authority out of the Freedom Tower makes lots of sense and is eminently achievable.

The Port Authority leased the Trade Center site to developer Larry Silverstein six weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack. The authority got back control of the Freedom Tower site last year after a new agreement with Silverstein.

Mass Transit

The World Trade Center was the brainchild of Austin Tobin, the Port Authority's executive director from 1942 to 1972, who thought of it as a modern-day version of the Tontine Coffee House, site of the New York Stock Exchange in the 1790s.

The Trade Center was the result of a swap -- New Jersey allowed the Port Authority to build the center, but only if it also purchased the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, a commuter train that ran from New Jersey into lower Manhattan. The Port Authority had resisted any involvement with commuter transit since its inception, saying it would be too much of a financial drag on an agency that was entirely self-supporting.

Some New Yorkers called for the Trade Center to be sold even before it officially opened. Labor leader Theodore Kheel, in a November 1969 article in New York magazine entitled, ``How the Port Authority Is Strangling New York,'' called upon the agency to embrace mass transit.

``The World Trade Center is a striking example of socialism at its worst -- a state agency needlessly and inefficiently intervening in a market already well served by private capital,'' Kheel wrote.

That was 1969. Private capital is clamoring for investment opportunities today. Maybe now, six years after 9/11, private capital and new blood can make a difference in lower Manhattan.

(Joe Mysak is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: Joe Mysak in New York at jmysakjr@bloomberg.net .
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^Oh, enough already.

Cut thru the self-righteous blather, and what you wind up with is, This guy is upset that the design HE worked on wasn't selected.

Tough titties.
Exactly!

I, for one (and many others), am happier with the current design than the previous design with all that upper lattice-work (and a lower observation deck, I might add). And, for all the talk of this being an "inferior" design ("The result, unfortunately, would be second rate in Chicago, Dubai or Shanghai, ... " ), what would the author have said if they had actually rebuilt the Twin Towers as they were? I mean, they were just two big boxes, nothing "fancy". Would he have been as critical?

I hope this sort of article is just a lot of hot air. I always have a small fear that someone in an upper level position will read something like this, start "thinking" and say, "He's right! Let's stop everything and get it right!" And, then 10 years from now, we'll still be waiting...
     
     
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The Freedom Tower is being built as planned.
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^Oh, enough already.

Cut thru the self-righteous blather, and what you wind up with is, This guy is upset that the design HE worked on wasn't selected.

Tough titties.


You're right!!!


Let's just cut through the jibber-jabber.

I'm getting sick of all these damn changes and delays! Why doesn't this guy go try to get a life and stop pulling on Ground Zero's strings?

He needs to just grow up and stop acting like a spoiled and selfish little boy. It's a done deal, and I've only got one thing to say to him; Deal with it and get over it.

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A Tower That Sends a Message of Anxiety, Not Ambition



A rendering of the Freedom Tower plaza at West and Vesey Streets.


By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
February 19, 2007

Ground zero has gone through its own kind of war fatigue. With every step forward in the reconstruction process, New Yorkers were asked to buy into the rhetoric of renewal, only to be confronted by images that reflect a city still in a state of turmoil and delusion.

Perhaps if we close our eyes, one might wishfully imagine, it will all just go away.

But the widely anticipated announcement that Gov. Eliot Spitzer will support the construction of the Freedom Tower may signal an end to any hope that a broad vision — or even a level of sanity — can be restored to a project tainted by personal hubris and political expediency.

The most recent debate over the tower has centered narrowly on real estate values. With the developer Larry Silverstein set to build six million square feet of office space in three buildings just alongside the Freedom Tower, some have questioned whether it will be possible to lease enough of the $3 billion project at a high enough rate to make it profitable. The tower’s symbolism alone is likely to scare off tenants who will see it as a potential targets for terrorists. The suggestion that we simply pack the building with government offices is almost perversely Strangelove-ian.

Yet the problem is not simply whether enough bureaucrats can be coerced into working there one day; it’s also what the building expresses as a work of architecture. Governor Spitzer may recall the looming presence of the twin towers on the downtown skyline, at once proud and intimidating; the Freedom Tower will have an equally powerful effect on the daily lives of New Yorkers as well as on the city’s image throughout the world. Yet its message will be very different from the old towers.

Hurriedly redesigned more than a year ago after terrorism experts questioned its vulnerability to a bomb attack, the Freedom Tower, with its tapered bulk and chamfered corners, evokes a gargantuan glass obelisk. Its clumsy bloated form, remade by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, vaguely recalls the worst of postmodernist historicism. (It’s a marvel that its glass skin hasn’t been recast in granite.)

Recently cities like Paris, London and San Francisco have held major architectural competitions for towers that will reshape their skylines. All of them drew on an array of ambitious architectural talents; many of those designs pushed technological and structural limits while reimagining the skyscraper as part of a holistic urban vision.

Even in New York, which has lagged behind much of the world in its architectural ambitions over the last decade or so, projects like Norman Foster’s new Hearst Tower suggest that a higher standard is demanded in the design of our urban structures.

If built, the lamentable Freedom Tower would be a constant reminder of our loss of ambition, and our inability to produce an architecture that shows a genuine faith in America’s collective future rather than a nostalgia for a nonexistent past.

Nowhere is that failure of ambition more evident than in the tower’s base. In a society where the social contract that binds us together is fraying, the most incisive architects have found ways to create a more fluid relationship between private and public realms. The lobby of Thom Mayne’s Phare Tower in Paris, for example, is conceived as an extension of the public realm, drawing in the surrounding streetscape and tunneling deep into the ground to connect to a network of underground trains.

By comparison the Freedom Tower is conceived as a barricaded fortress. Its base, a 20-story-high windowless concrete bunker that houses the lobby as well as many of the structure’s mechanical systems, is clad in laminated glass panels to give it visual allure, but the message is the same. It speaks less of resilience and tolerance than of paranoia. It’s a building armored against an outside world that we no longer trust.

There is no reason to accept this as fate. Although construction has begun on the tower’s foundations, we are still a year or so away from the point that the building will begin to rise. The foundations could even be completed while a process is set in motion to begin rethinking the design. Meanwhile construction could begin on Mr. Silverstein’s towers to the south, which should prove much easier to lease.

Governor Spitzer of course would have to summon the will to venture into one of the most emotionally and politically charged sites in the world less than two months into his tenure. To do so he must first accept that the Freedom Tower’s message is not directed solely at real estate-obsessed New Yorkers but at the world, and that the message it’s sending now is the worst of who we are.
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I agree with the author (regarding the overall design), but it must be too late.

If it were at all possible for a redesign which would provide for us a superior design, I'd say go for it.

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CBS/AP) NEW YORK State leaders are looking at budget cuts and new private investors to help cover the billions of dollars needed to rebuild Ground Zero with office towers, a 9/11 memorial and a transit hub.

Gov. Eliot Spitzer is scheduled to make an announcement Tuesday about financing for the Freedom Tower.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey owned the destroyed World Trade Center and is building the Freedom Tower. It recently has been approached by private investors for ownership and development rights to the skyscraper and a second tower under the P.A. control.

Spitzer once referred to the Freedom Tower as a "white elephant" and questioned its economic viability. However, he's apparently now in favor of the 1,776 foot tall building because it is two-thirds rented.

But construction costs for the tower and four other buildings are thought to run higher than that, with prices for concrete, steel and labor rising.
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A Tower That Sends a Message of Anxiety, Not Ambition



A rendering of the Freedom Tower plaza at West and Vesey Streets.


By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
February 19, 2007

Ground zero has gone through its own kind of war fatigue. With every step forward in the reconstruction process, New Yorkers were asked to buy into the rhetoric of renewal, only to be confronted by images that reflect a city still in a state of turmoil and delusion.

Perhaps if we close our eyes, one might wishfully imagine, it will all just go away.

But the widely anticipated announcement that Gov. Eliot Spitzer will support the construction of the Freedom Tower may signal an end to any hope that a broad vision — or even a level of sanity — can be restored to a project tainted by personal hubris and political expediency.

The most recent debate over the tower has centered narrowly on real estate values. With the developer Larry Silverstein set to build six million square feet of office space in three buildings just alongside the Freedom Tower, some have questioned whether it will be possible to lease enough of the $3 billion project at a high enough rate to make it profitable. The tower’s symbolism alone is likely to scare off tenants who will see it as a potential targets for terrorists. The suggestion that we simply pack the building with government offices is almost perversely Strangelove-ian.

Yet the problem is not simply whether enough bureaucrats can be coerced into working there one day; it’s also what the building expresses as a work of architecture. Governor Spitzer may recall the looming presence of the twin towers on the downtown skyline, at once proud and intimidating; the Freedom Tower will have an equally powerful effect on the daily lives of New Yorkers as well as on the city’s image throughout the world. Yet its message will be very different from the old towers.

Hurriedly redesigned more than a year ago after terrorism experts questioned its vulnerability to a bomb attack, the Freedom Tower, with its tapered bulk and chamfered corners, evokes a gargantuan glass obelisk. Its clumsy bloated form, remade by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, vaguely recalls the worst of postmodernist historicism. (It’s a marvel that its glass skin hasn’t been recast in granite.)

Recently cities like Paris, London and San Francisco have held major architectural competitions for towers that will reshape their skylines. All of them drew on an array of ambitious architectural talents; many of those designs pushed technological and structural limits while reimagining the skyscraper as part of a holistic urban vision.

Even in New York, which has lagged behind much of the world in its architectural ambitions over the last decade or so, projects like Norman Foster’s new Hearst Tower suggest that a higher standard is demanded in the design of our urban structures.

If built, the lamentable Freedom Tower would be a constant reminder of our loss of ambition, and our inability to produce an architecture that shows a genuine faith in America’s collective future rather than a nostalgia for a nonexistent past.

Nowhere is that failure of ambition more evident than in the tower’s base. In a society where the social contract that binds us together is fraying, the most incisive architects have found ways to create a more fluid relationship between private and public realms. The lobby of Thom Mayne’s Phare Tower in Paris, for example, is conceived as an extension of the public realm, drawing in the surrounding streetscape and tunneling deep into the ground to connect to a network of underground trains.

By comparison the Freedom Tower is conceived as a barricaded fortress. Its base, a 20-story-high windowless concrete bunker that houses the lobby as well as many of the structure’s mechanical systems, is clad in laminated glass panels to give it visual allure, but the message is the same. It speaks less of resilience and tolerance than of paranoia. It’s a building armored against an outside world that we no longer trust.

There is no reason to accept this as fate. Although construction has begun on the tower’s foundations, we are still a year or so away from the point that the building will begin to rise. The foundations could even be completed while a process is set in motion to begin rethinking the design. Meanwhile construction could begin on Mr. Silverstein’s towers to the south, which should prove much easier to lease.

Governor Spitzer of course would have to summon the will to venture into one of the most emotionally and politically charged sites in the world less than two months into his tenure. To do so he must first accept that the Freedom Tower’s message is not directed solely at real estate-obsessed New Yorkers but at the world, and that the message it’s sending now is the worst of who we are.

What a joke.

First of all, there is concern about getting tenants to accept the risks and anxiety of working in a building that will always be a potential target regardless of what is built there. The author's answer? Create "a more fluid relationship between public and private realms". Brilliant. The kind of "brilliance" that, unfortunately, is all too common in the editorial pages of the NYT. Is the author suggesting that the symbolism of the site and hence its value as a terrorist target can be mitigated by designing something that the terrorists find more aesthetically pleasing to them?

Secondly, there's the matter of context. The author seems to suggest that an amorphous blob of a building proposed for a Paris suburb is something that would look at equally at home in the heart of the financial district of New York City. The "progressives" always point to Europe (and usually to France) for all the answers. Just as they did in the 19th century. There were all sorts of ridiculous "progressive" proposals for the WTC site that thankfully were thrown in the trash. There are very real political, economic and aesthetic limits to what can be done at the site. The Freedom Tower design is hardly perfect. But after a tedious and drawn-out process of designing and redesigning with input from everyone from the world's top architects to school children and Donald Trump, it is the best compromise to come along for the site. This isn't Dubai, where one person can decide to build the "World's Highest Sundial" or a rotating skyscraper without someone asking if he's insane and stopping him. It's time to stop arguing and start building.

Finally, given his criticism of the Freedom Tower as "clumsy" and "bloated", I'd like to see this author's review of the New York Times Tower.
     
     
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After all this, I don't know what to think. At this point I would say don't bother redesigning it because I'm tired of this shit, but I don't know what to say, what to think ...
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^ There'll be no more redesigns. You can't please everyone, and there'll be critics for each new version of the tower. People just have to realize that what we have is getting built. That's the reality.

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Spitzer backs Freedom Tower spending

BY EMI ENDO AND HERBERT LOWE
February 20, 2007

Gov. Eliot Spitzer threw his support Tuesday behind existing plans to finance and build the Freedom Tower and office space at Ground Zero.

"Today, I am here to say that I am in support of the construction of the Freedom Tower as it is designed," Spitzer said at a news conference at an office of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. "We will move forward."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg and New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine stood at the news conference beside Spitzer, who once referred to the Freedom Tower as a "white elephant" and questioned its economic viability.

Spitzer offered no new details about the multibillion-dollar effort to build office towers, a Sept. 11 memorial and a huge transit hub. The 1,776-foot Freedom Tower has been under construction since last April.

The New York governor said after he was elected that he and the Port Authority would look again at the project's financing. After weighing the alternatives of not going ahead with it, Spitzer said it was evident that it was best to proceed as planned. An important factor was the strength of the real estate market, Spitzer said.

The Port Authority, which owned the destroyed World Trade Center and is building the Freedom Tower, has been solicited recently by private investors for ownership and development rights to the skyscraper and a second tower under the authority's control, officials said.

Last year, the Port Authority renegotiated its lease with private developer Larry Silverstein and agreed to split more than $7 billion in insurance proceeds and tax-exempt Liberty Bonds available to rebuild office space destroyed by the 2001 terrorist attack.

But construction costs for the five planned towers are thought to run higher than that; the city is building several massive projects all at once and prices for steel, concrete and labor have been steadily rising.

One of the trade center's many insurers still hasn't agreed to terms of the renegotiated lease and another is going out of business, jeopardizing hundreds of millions of dollars in rebuilding money.

The Sept. 11 memorial was redesigned last year to cut its $1 billion budget; it will still cost more than $700 million in private and public funding to build.

Earlier this month, the Port Authority's executive director said the $2.2 billion transit hub -- a winged dome designed by Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava and under construction since fall 2005 -- would have to undergo design changes because it is more than $1 billion over budget.

The latest budget for the station, which replaces a hub that served fewer than 70,000 commuters a day before the attacks, is "unacceptable," said the executive director, Anthony Shorris. He ordered budget cuts that would not change Calatrava's signature wing design at street level.
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New York's Spitzer Approves Building of Freedom Tower

By Henry Goldman
Feb. 20 (Bloomberg)

New York Governor Eliot Spitzer said he will support construction of the $2.4 billion Freedom Tower, a 1,776-foot-high skyscraper at the heart of the rebuilt World Trade Center after ordering a review of the project when he took office last month.

Spitzer, who questioned the tower's economic viability and called it a ``white elephant'' while he was running for governor last year, said he set aside his past reservations because of the growing vitality of lower Manhattan's real estate market and need for the city to remain a world finance capital.

"This should not be interpreted to mean this is the project I would have designed at its initiation,'' said Spitzer, referring to decisions made by his predecessor, Governor George Pataki. ``But where we are today, this is clearly the best and the wisest alternative,'' Spitzer said during a lower Manhattan news conference with New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

The governor's approval removes the last impediment to the project going forward, Bloomberg said.
The announcement was made today because the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site and is responsible for building the tower, had to sign contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars with concrete, plumbing and electrical suppliers, Spitzer said.

"This should put to rest any doubts about the future construction of the Freedom Tower,'' Bloomberg said. "We are totally committed, the three of us, to making sure that this remains the financial center of the country and the world.''

Possible Sale

John McCarthy, a port authority spokesman, said the tower is projected to be completed in 2012. Spitzer and Corzine, who share control of the port authority, said they didn't object to the idea of the agency eventually selling or leasing the property to a private developer.

Corzine said a sale would let the agency reduce its role as a real estate owner and focus on its "primary mission:'' operating transportation facilities between the two states, including airports, shipping terminals, bridges, tunnels and a trans-Hudson River rail link.

The governors said the port authority has received inquiries from private investors interested in buying the building and perhaps taking over construction of the project.

That's "one market indicator of the vitality of the building and the marketplace in general,'' Spitzer said.


"We will cross that threshold and make that decision when and if this becomes a possibility in terms of real economics,'' Spitzer said. ``But I would say as a premise, I do not have any opposition at a philosophical level at selling the tower.''

Memorial

Spitzer said public control over a memorial and cultural facilities planned for Ground Zero should continue because they ``reflect our deep commitment to ensuring that history is served by proper reverence for those who lost their lives there.''

The Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center killed 2,752 people, including the crews and passengers of two hijacked jet planes that crashed into the buildings.

Spitzer noted that state government has agreed to lease almost 1 million of the 2.6 million square feet of office space planned for the building. He also praised the port authority for so far proceeding within its budget.

"We have construction costs -- this is important -- that are on target,'' he said. ``This is a testament to the port authority's capacity to build on budget to design on budget and bring home a project that we hope will be iconic at a price that we can afford.''

Architecture Issue

Spitzer said his approval of the project didn't mean he's taken a position on some people's aesthetic criticisms of the tower, which will feature a 187-foot-high bomb-resistant concrete base.

"One area I won't delve into is the area of architecture and aesthetics,'' Spitzer said. He said the entire project, with plans for four other office towers, the memorial and a museum ``will be a remarkable addition to our urban landscape.''

Bloomberg said architect David Childs "did a masterful job'' in changing the building's design to protect it against a terrorist attack.

"I don't think it will look like a fortress,'' the mayor said. ``We just live in a day and age when we want to make sure people that live and work in that building feel protected.''

The mayor is founder and majority owner of Bloomberg News parent Bloomberg LP.

Daniel Libeskind, the Freedom Tower's original architect, hailed the governor's approval of the project as "a great day for really bringing Ground Zero back to life.''
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Glad to hear that! Now we can be certain that there will be no more delays!
     
     
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GOVS GIVE GRUDGING NOD TO TOWER

By DAVID SEIFMAN
February 21, 2007

The Freedom Tower won reluctant go-aheads yesterday from Gov. Spitzer and New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, while a prominent developer is making a last-minute plea for the project to be revamped.

"We looked at all the various alternatives that might have been presented - downsizing, redistributing the square footage, delaying the project in its entirety, waiting for the project to move in a different direction," Spitzer said at a lower Manhattan press conference with Corzine and Mayor Bloomberg.

"None of them made sense, and hence, we move forward."

Spitzer noted that investors have expressed interest in the building, reflecting a strong downtown real-estate market.

Both governors made it clear they would have done things differently had they been in office five years ago.

"This should not be interpreted to mean that this is the project that I would have designed at its initiation, that this is how I would have desired it to be built," Spitzer said. "But where we are today, this is clearly the best and wisest alternative."

Corzine added, "Maybe you would have done it differently if you could roll it all the way back to another day, but we live in the world we live in."

Meanwhile, Douglas Durst, one of the city's top developers, argued that the Freedom Tower should be the last thing built on the World Trade Center site, rather than the first, to help it attract tenants other than government agencies.

In an ad in today's Post, he also suggests a redesign, saying, "The current design submission will be extraordinarily expensive to build and cumbersome to tenants."
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Why in the Sam Hill won't this guy Durst go find some other unbuilt towers other than those for Ground Zero to poke at and pick on?

It is now etched in stone and he needs to back off and let the officials handle
things for Ground Zero!!

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