Urban vs Suburban - 2 styles enter, one style leaves!

[fusili]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Mountains out of mole hills. What you're talking about doesn't hold a candle to the Vancouver conundrums. Did you even read the article? Might be important before arguing against it.

How about this, quoted from the article:

It's the way life on the street has narrowed to serve such a small demographic: teens and newly 20-somethings, primarily from the suburbs, who want to drink heavily and do little else.

That transformed the area into a gathering point for anyone-both those who were nearby (and with 150,000 other liquor seats concentrated downtown, including the beer-friendly BC Place and Rogers Arena, that's a lot of people nearby) and those travelling in from the suburbs-to continue drinking past midnight or 1.

"Normally there's no fights. It's fun." He's been coming in from Surrey steadily since he turned 19 two years ago

Yacoub knows there are other groups who could be encouraged to patronize these businesses. He tracks the occupancy and demographics of visitors at the nearby hotels. He knows who lives in the condos. Those tourists, the residents-they could be lured back if they thought there was a place for them. "They don't stay on the street for dinner because there is nothing for them: it's nightclubs, bars, and chicken wings."

So is this an urban problem, or is it a problem of suburban D-Bags trashing urbanites neighbourhoods? I don't think the people puking on the street are the ones who own the million dollar condos in the neighbourhood.

Just saying.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by fusili

Or B&Es in the burbs?

What are B&Es?

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by fusili

So is this an urban problem, or is it a problem of suburban D-Bags trashing urbanites neighbourhoods? I don't think the people puking on the street are the ones who own the million dollar condos in the neighbourhood.

I haven't seen a study comparing puking on the street versus if people own million dollar condos. Clearly there is something in that part of (enviable?) urban Vancouver that attracts a very negative element, irrespective of where they live.

Flies have a keen sense of smell when it comes to poop. They'll come in from all over!

[kw5150]

This is like talking to a small child.........or Rob Ford.

[kw5150]

You must be covered in flies.

Originally Posted by suburbia

I haven't seen a study comparing puking on the street versus if people own million dollar condos. Clearly there is something in that part of (enviable?) urban Vancouver that attracts a very negative element, irrespective of where they live.

Flies have a keen sense of smell when it comes to poop. They'll come in from all over!

[fusili]

Originally Posted by suburbia

I haven't seen a study comparing puking on the street versus if people own million dollar condos. Clearly there is something in that part of (enviable?) urban Vancouver that attracts a very negative element, irrespective of where they live.

Flies have a keen sense of smell when it comes to poop. They'll come in from all over!

Dude, you are obviously clueless. In Ibiza, the largest clubs are in the middle of nowhere, and the party-goers cause messes. In Barcelona, the large clubs are in the industrial district called El Poblenou, where party goers cause messes. I haven't been, but I've been told the same goes for Berlin. In many other cities, there are major bar areas in the middle of random industrial areas.

It isn't the fact that the place is urban that causes destructive behavior, it is the fact that there are a lot of bars in a small area.

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by suburbia

Clearly there is something in that part of (enviable?) urban Vancouver that attracts a very negative element, irrespective of where they live.

No shit genius, it's called a club district!

Flies have a keen sense of smell when it comes to poop. They'll come in from all over!

So you are saying that downtown Vancouver, with all it's million dollar condos, top end retail and world class restaurants, is shit and that's why people from Surrey and Maple Ridge go there to party?

You have to realize you aren't really making a point. You are nothing more than a troll, no matter how hard you try to disguise it with your poor logic.

[Spring2008]

Originally Posted by fusili

Dude, you are obviously clueless. In Ibiza, the largest clubs are in the middle of nowhere, and the party-goers cause messes. In Barcelona, the large clubs are in the industrial district called El Poblenou, where party goers cause messes. I haven't been, but I've been told the same goes for Berlin. In many other cities, there are major bar areas in the middle of random industrial areas.

It isn't the fact that the place is urban that causes destructive behavior, it is the fact that there are a lot of bars in a small area.

Wouldn't mind seeing some kind of industrial club district somewhere in the West Village Area, and having those clubs open until like 4am. Even if only temporary before redevelopment begins.

[fusili]

Originally Posted by Spring2008

Wouldn't mind seeing some kind of industrial club district somewhere in the West Village Area, and having those clubs open until like 4am. Even if only temporary before redevelopment begins.

I always thought the best place for a club district (I am talking large dance clubs) in Calgary would be Manchester Industrial around 39th street station or east of Chinook station. It's got transit access, big buildings for large clubs and almost no residents nearby.

[Calgarian]

I don't think Calgary will have a proper club district for a long time, everyone is too worried about having Electric Ave V2.0. Shit, people even complain that 17th has too many drinking establishments and has too many problems.

[Bassic Lab]

Originally Posted by fusili

I always thought the best place for a club district (I am talking large dance clubs) in Calgary would be Manchester Industrial around 39th street station or east of Chinook station. It's got transit access, big buildings for large clubs and almost no residents nearby.

42 Ave/Highfield Boulevard between Macleod and Ogden could work well as a strip after the SELRT opens. Running a transit shuttle between 39 Ave Station and Highfield Station would connect everything. It already has a casino and no one lives there. It might be an idea to try to contain a lot of problematic activities away from residential.

[sync]

i'll just leave this here

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/03/31...fers-the-burbs

[kw5150]

According to the article, 22% still preferred the urban lifestyle; that is a large number of people.....nice!
Another miss for the sun newspaper. I would have been one of those people that said I wanted a house when I was 20 years old.......

Live close to where you work (when you can) is the golden rule. Traffic chaos has not been a part of my life for almost 15 years now. That is 5475 days I have not had to be in rush hour twice per day.

Originally Posted by sync

i'll just leave this here

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/03/31...fers-the-burbs

[sync]

Originally Posted by kw5150

Live close to where you work (when you can) is the golden rule

agreed.

my wife's uncles (both suburbanites from toronto) spent the weekend trying to convince me to move into some far flung suburb like auburn bay. i work at foothills hospital.

that would effectively make my commute 5 times (at least) what it is now.

which is 5 times the gas...i think you see where i went with things.

they still didn't get it.

anyways, they also looked at me like i had 3 heads when i said i have no interest in EVER moving to the burbs...and yes, i can and will live and (hopefully) die in my (future) 1100SF condo.

[kw5150]

You can retire in the suburbs if you want with all the money you saved on transportation.

Both of my bosses of my firm live in condos in the inner city.

Originally Posted by sync

agreed.

my wife's uncles (both suburbanites from toronto) spent the weekend trying to convince me to move into some far flung suburb like auburn bay. i work at foothills hospital.

that would effectively make my commute 5 times (at least) what it is now.

which is 5 times the gas...i think you see where i went with things.

they still didn't get it.

anyways, they also looked at me like i had 3 heads when i said i have no interest in EVER moving to the burbs...and yes, i can and will live and (hopefully) die in my (future) 1100SF condo.

[sync]

Originally Posted by kw5150

You can retire in the suburbs if you want with all the money you saved on transportation.

Both of my bosses of my firm live in condos in the inner city.

that's the thing though, i would want to retire in a community in which i can walk to most things - groceries, booze, entertainment, restaurants, etc.

i don't feel like the burbs offer that.

[Radley77]

Originally Posted by sync

i'll just leave this here

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/03/31...fers-the-burbs

The study is on a Canada-wide basis as per:

http://www.royallepage.ca/en/media/1...edcontent=1074

Here it starts to talk about regional variation saying that "Generation Y comparisons showed that more Ontarians and Albertans place importance on being close to the city’s downtown area or town’s core".

I'd wonder what it would be if you actually drilled down to the level of Calgary or took out the 1 out of 3 surveyed in the Prairies that is still living in the dreamland of rent-free life with parents.

The Calgary Sun is just a shill for the advertisers; it does not give two fucks about thinking holistically about the city.

[Calgarian]

Can anyone explain why the right wing is getting all militant about Nenshi, Stanley and trying to build this city in a manner that won't make us go broke (Plan-it)? No one is trying to stop the suburbs and force everyone to live in concrete shoeboxes, all they want is to try and increase density within the existing city limits, seems pretty reasonable to me.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by kw5150

According to the article, 22% still preferred the urban lifestyle; that is a large number of people.....nice!
Another miss for the sun newspaper. I would have been one of those people that said I wanted a house when I was 20 years old.......

Live close to where you work (when you can) is the golden rule.

I agree with you, but this is often shared with spin, forgetting that 5/6th of people that work in Calgary do not work in the core!

If I lived in downtown, my commute distances would be similar, but because of the gridlock, odds of increased travel times would be high. I would save zero money on transportation.

That being said, I'm certainly not defending the Sun. They've really become part of the politics, and thus their credibility as a media outlet comes into question.

[kw5150]

I think you were asking a partly rhetorical question but.....

I think it partly boils down to politicians being selfish and putting citizens against citizens and creating chaos. They use "they are taking away your freedom" in order to push their political party. People scare easy and it translate to votes. I hope most people can see through this crap, but unfortunately, more and more, I hear regular, everyday people bashing Nenshi and urban living all based on shit they hear in the sun newspaper. You can usually bring them back to reality with some simple logic. The bottom line is that people need to be taught more about sustainability instead of economy, economy, economy.....and bling, bling, bling.

Originally Posted by Calgarian

Can anyone explain why the right wing is getting all militant about Nenshi, Stanley and trying to build this city in a manner that won't make us go broke (Plan-it)? No one is trying to stop the suburbs and force everyone to live in concrete shoeboxes, all they want is to try and increase density within the existing city limits, seems pretty reasonable to me.