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Old Posted Dec 3, 2016, 6:11 AM
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Viable careers in city planning/related fields?

As the constant rain continues to beat down my morale I am thinking more and more about getting out of blue collar work and using my brain to make money again. Obviously I have an interest in city planning and other similar fields that posters here are probably doing right now. Are there any suggestions on what to study or what fields to go into for an in-demand, intellectually stimulating career?

I'm willing to go back to school for four years if I have to.
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2016, 7:13 AM
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Computer Tech. So hot right now.

If all else fails, become a politician.
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2016, 7:15 AM
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What is Computer Tech in a city planning sense? IT? I mean like in a related field.

I have too much of a conscience to be a politician unfortunately.
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Just promise to have all spandrel glass replaced with reflective mirror glass and you will be made the mayor.

On a more serious note, I am not sure what the answer is. Many here love everything transit and Translink has some interesting position every now and then for various school backgrounds. If nothing else, the benefits are said to be good...
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As the constant rain continues to beat down my morale I am thinking more and more about getting out of blue collar work and using my brain to make money again. Obviously I have an interest in city planning and other similar fields that posters here are probably doing right now. Are there any suggestions on what to study or what fields to go into for an in-demand, intellectually stimulating career?

I'm willing to go back to school for four years if I have to.
As a retired planning professor/professional planner I'd suggest that whatever form of urban planning/urban geography/urban sociology degree program you pursue be sure to do a lot of course work in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) as that's where the job security/good pay (if there is ever such a thing any longer) lies.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2016, 2:14 AM
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As a retired planning professor/professional planner I'd suggest that whatever form of urban planning/urban geography/urban sociology degree program you pursue be sure to do a lot of course work in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) as that's where the job security/good pay (if there is ever such a thing any longer) lies.
Thanks. Looks like that involves lots of math? Not exactly my strong suit.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2016, 4:12 AM
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Thanks. Looks like that involves lots of math? Not exactly my strong suit.
A word of encouragement. You can do a (non GIS intensive) urban planning degree first and then try to add on a one or two year (post grad) diploma in GIS which you can do part-time to help take the pressure off any subjects that present a steep learning curve.
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Simply put, if you are pursuing a BA to gain entry into the realm of planning, then you will need to pursue an MA to at least have a hope in hell of getting an interview for a job. Even then...you are competing against a plethora of planners (holding PhD's and years of experience from all around the world) for 1-3 jobs in each municipality.

The issue right now is an overwhelming surplus of GIS technicians, urban planners, architects etc...The jobs in this field are really scarce right now and an MA with a few years of experience means squat anymore.

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As a retired planning professor/professional planner I'd suggest that whatever form of urban planning/urban geography/urban sociology degree program you pursue be sure to do a lot of course work in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) as that's where the job security/good pay (if there is ever such a thing any longer) lies.
There is immense competition for GIS related jobs and wages are starting to creep down as a result. Several companies are only paying $15-18 per hour for GIS technicians nowadays....And a major issue is that there is no such thing as "entry level" as it pertains to GIS. I would recommend carving a career and life outside of BC to simply build up your GIS related experience (5-10 years) before applying for any municipal/well paying GIS jobs here.

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On a more serious note, I am not sure what the answer is. Many here love everything transit and Translink has some interesting position every now and then for various school backgrounds. If nothing else, the benefits are said to be good...
I used to work with Translink and the pay and treatment towards employees was very fair. I would do anything to go back to that environment however as one would expect, the level of competition for any job there is insane as they get inundated by thousands of job applications. A lot of interest comes internationally as well, which further compounds matters for locals.
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Simply put, if you are pursuing a BA to gain entry into the realm of planning, then you will need to pursue an MA to at least have a hope in hell of getting an interview for a job. Even then...you are competing against a plethora of planners (holding PhD's and years of experience from all around the world) for 1-3 jobs in each municipality.
Seems like that's the case for everything these days. Thanks for the reality check. I've never had problems getting around $20 an hour physical jobs with just a 9 month certificate at BCIT so it shocks me to hear people with degrees and lots of school debt are getting less.

I just can't stand this weather anymore. Summer makes me hate the lack of rain and of course I'm drowing in it now. Wife won't move though and has a great career with the offer to take over her boss's business in less than a decade.
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Seems like that's the case for everything these days. Thanks for the reality check. I've never had problems getting around $20 an hour physical jobs with just a 9 month certificate at BCIT so it shocks me to hear people with degrees and lots of school debt are getting less.

I just can't stand this weather anymore. Summer makes me hate the lack of rain and of course I'm drowing in it now. Wife won't move though and has a great career with the offer to take over her boss's business in less than a decade.
Logicbomb is a local person with knowledge of the B.C. job scene, so listen to his/her comments. I'm an American so in truth I have little knowldege of local demand for planners or GIS specialists. In any event the point to understand/take away here is that it makes no sense to consider becoming an urban planner without significant (technical) training in GIS. Truth be told, the job market is tightening world wide in just about EVERY field as labor and jobs move around globally. Makes me worry about the sustainability of the future economy.

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Old Posted Dec 6, 2016, 5:41 PM
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I'd suggest Civil Engineering if you're good enough to handle the math. It's just an undergrad, albeit a harder one so assume 5 years of school. The jobs are relatively plentiful right now.

I think Planners need to have a masters to do interesting things in most cases.
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Logicomb is a local person with knowledge of the B.C. job scene, so listen to his/her comments. I'm an American so in truth I have little knowldege of local demand for planners or GIS specialists. In any event the point to understand/take away here is that it makes no sense to consider becoming an urban planner without significant (technical) training in GIS. Truth be told, the job market is tightening world wide in just about EVERY field as labor and jobs move around globally. Makes me worry about the sustainability of the future economy.
Again... I agree, it makes absolutely no sense to be a planner (period) unless your plan is to move out of the province. I pursued an MA because I built up experience and saw the demand for Urban Planners back in 2005 since many of the old guard were retiring. The demand was there between 2008-2011 but many positions have been filled by those that have no desire to leave or retire.

The problem is that all levels of governments do not value homegrown talent- those born and raised in this country and province that have seen the various cities and regions grow. Instead, our governments pick a) token minorities to placate those who have been advocating for "equal opportunity employment" or b) planners and engineers from Europe/Asia to replicate their models and methods to dealing with growth. The end result is what we'll likely see in Surrey with the LRT project, a project that has been aimed to replicate "an international feel" but will likely lead to heavy congestion and issues down the road. Most locals would know this.

Degrees in Geography, GIS, Urban Planning, Sustainable Development are useless in this region. Absolutely useless. I am preaching here but I cannot comprehend why we are still seeing 1000+ of those being churned out each year from UBC.

Here's some positive news. There is a demand for architects or civil engineers. That's one possible alternative to take.

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Seems like that's the case for everything these days. Thanks for the reality check. I've never had problems getting around $20 an hour physical jobs with just a 9 month certificate at BCIT so it shocks me to hear people with degrees and lots of school debt are getting less.

I just can't stand this weather anymore. Summer makes me hate the lack of rain and of course I'm drowing in it now. Wife won't move though and has a great career with the offer to take over her boss's business in less than a decade.

I am in the exact same situation here. I desperately want to move out of the province seeing that there are planning opportunities in the Prairies but the Mrs has recently scored a decent job.

If I could do it all over again, I would have dropped out of High School in 2003 and pursued a trade (instead of spending 50k on education ). Sure worked for my classmate who is likely eying retirement before age 40.

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I'd suggest Civil Engineering if you're good enough to handle the math. It's just an undergrad, albeit a harder one so assume 5 years of school. The jobs are relatively plentiful right now.

I think Planners need to have a masters to do interesting things in most cases.
Agree, Civil Engineering or Architectural and Building Technology are possible routes to take. There is a definite need for them.
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Canadian Business Magazine seems to think that it is a good profession to get into at the moment:

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/list...obs-in-canada/

Also, I would say consider the private sector and not just local governments.
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Seems like that's the case for everything these days. Thanks for the reality check. I've never had problems getting around $20 an hour physical jobs with just a 9 month certificate at BCIT so it shocks me to hear people with degrees and lots of school debt are getting less.

I just can't stand this weather anymore. Summer makes me hate the lack of rain and of course I'm drowing in it now. Wife won't move though and has a great career with the offer to take over her boss's business in less than a decade.
Folks here are suggesting civil engineering but I hear your "phobia" for (heavy) math. I almost forgot to mention that urban planners can also take on budget and finance roles. When I was a transportation planner much of my duties at one point dealt with budget and finance issues with many of us in the department having specialized backgrounds in business/public finance and law.

So you may also check out how much finance/legal duties current planners do (in their job description) here in B.C..
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what is computer tech in general?

you always hear people say oh medical field is hot right now get into it, blah blah is hot right now get into it

how does one get into computer tech? for example
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Get into property management with a respectable firm, and then you can always transfer internally to property development a couple of years later if you still desire.
Remember listening to a Michael Gellar lecture years ago and he told a story about wanting to be a architect, then he quickly learned architects don't design buildings, developers do. Well same can be said about planning, at the end of the day the developer decides what gets built not the planner so might as well work for them.
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Get into property management with a respectable firm, and then you can always transfer internally to property development a couple of years later if you still desire.
Remember listening to a Michael Gellar lecture years ago and he told a story about wanting to be a architect, then he quickly learned architects don't design buildings, developers do. Well same can be said about planning, at the end of the day the developer decides what gets built not the planner so might as well work for them.
Hmm my engineer brother in law just got into property management. Interesting.
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