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Quite honestly this looks like the nicer wealthy suburbs of any major Midwestern city
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Those look like any generic rich North American suburb. Outside of local vernacular due to climate, residential architectural styles are about the same in the US and Canada. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "plex" with exterior stairs found in Quebec is about the only distinctively Canadian residential style that I can think of.
I would say the only distinctive "Canadian" architecture is the old colonial buildings in Quebec and Montreal
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The DFW area as of 2014. Wish I could find a more updated list:

1: Westlake (NE Tarrant County)
Mean Household Income: $526,590, Higley 1000 #12

2: Greenway Parks (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $511,549, Higley 1000 #15

3: Westover Hills (Westover Hills/Fort Worth)
Mean Household Income: $385,047, Higley 1000 #69

4: Old Preston Hollow (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $338,351, Higley 1000 #158

5: Bluffview West (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $335,935, Higley 1000 #168

6: Highland Park (Highland Park/Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $330,032, Higley 1000 #188

7: Oak Tree (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $327,123, Higley 1000 #204

8: Volk Estates-Windsor Place (University Park/Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $323,486, Higley 1000 #218

9: Stratford Manor-Armstrong Fairway (University Park/Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $322,282, Higley 1000 #224

10: Northaven Park (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $313,955, Higley 1000 #251

11: Preston Hollow (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $310,471, Higley 1000 #269

12: LakeSide on Preston (Plano/Collin County)
Mean Household Income: $306,168, Higley 1000 #286

13: Willow Bend (Plano/Collin County)
Mean Household Income: $304,801, Higley 1000 #296

14: Preston Royal (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $304,679, Higley 1000 #299

15: Lakewood (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $301,825, Higley 1000 #320

16: Bent Tree-Oakdale (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $298,930, Higley 1000 #333

17: Timarron (Southlake/ NE Tarrant County)
Mean Household Income: $298,068, Higley 1000 #336

18: Timberlake-Princeton Park (Southlake?NE Tarrant County)
Mean Household Income: $286,828, Higley 1000 #418

19: Bella Lago-River Hills (Flower Mound/Denton County)
Mean Household Income: $281,696, Higley 1000 #456

20: Brook Meadows-Brighton Oaks (Colleyville/NE Tarrant County)
Mean Household Income: $278,204, Higley 1000 #488

21: Cheyenne Village-Starwood West (Frisco/Collin County)
Mean Household Income: $277,646, Higley 1000 #495

22: Russwood Acres (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $275,175, Higley 1000 #523

23: Versailles-Cambridge Place (Southlake/NE Tarrant County)
Mean Household Income: $271,015, Higley 1000 #566

24: University Heights-University Hills (University Park/Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $266,284, Higley 1000 #620

25: Rivercrest Country Club (Fort Worth)
Mean Household Income: $265,238, Higley 1000 #632

26: Starwood East-Sterling Ranch (Frisco/Collin County)
Mean Household Income: $265,076, Higley 1000 #635

27: Kings Ridge-Schoal Creek West (Plano/Collin County)
Mean Household Income: $262,018, Higley 1000 #667

28: Stonebriar North (Frisco)
Mean Household Income: $261,486, Higley 1000 #676

29: Preston Trail Golf Club-Bent Tree Country Club (Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $260,066, Higley 1000 #700

30: Gentle Creek Country Club-Whitley Place (Prosper/Collin and Denton Counties)
Mean Household Income: $255,529, Higley 1000 #766

31: The Dominion-Highland Oaks (Southlake/NE Tarrant County)
Mean Household Income: $247,070, Higley 1000 #878

32: Denham Village-Whiffletree (Plano/Collin County)
Mean Household Income: $245,842, Higley 1000 #896

33: Mansfield South (Mansfield/SE Tarrant County)
Mean Household Income: $242,732, Higley 1000 #960

34: Bedford (Bedford/Tarrrant County)
Mean Household Income: $241,303, Higley 1000 #987

35: Loma Linda-Preston Place (University Park/Dallas)
Mean Household Income: $240,133, Higley 1000 #998

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Here's are the US metros with the most neighborhoods on the Higley 1000 Wealthiest list. Information dated since it is from 2014. Bay area has probably moved way up the food chain:

America's Richest Neighborhoods, By Metro Area
Metro Area - Number of Higley 1000 neighborhoods -Population living in Higley 1000 neighborhoods by metro
New York City - 234 - 664,771
Washington, D.C. - 102 - 192,480
Los Angeles - 91 - 199,386
San Francisco Bay Area - 61 - 127,271
Chicago - 55 - 100,703
Boston - 36 - 85,792
Dallas-Fort Worth - 35 - 71,432
Miami - 34 - 40,901
Philadelphia - 27 - 57,891
Atlanta - 23 - 30,825
Denver - 20 - 26,969
Houston - 16 - 56,019

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Well, if you go to data.census.gov, you can search mean income.

I did 'mean income westlake, tx' and came up with a mean household income of $446,906 for 2018.
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Well, if you go to data.census.gov, you can search mean income.

I did 'mean income westlake, tx' and came up with a mean household income of $446,906 for 2018.
That's more work than I want to undertake. I was just hoping for an updated list out there someplace. I suspect the 2014 rankings are pretty good indicator, but surely there have been changes taking place especially in some of the revitalized downtown neighborhoods of at least some US cities. I think the DFW list is still pretty accurate.
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That's more work than I want to undertake. I was just hoping for an updated list out there someplace. I suspect the 2014 rankings are pretty good indicator, but surely there have been changes taking place especially in some of the revitalized downtown neighborhoods of at least some US cities. I think the DFW list is still pretty accurate.
Sure, I wish the census did 'neighborhoods', that would be stellar.
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As mentioned, Vancouver's most affluent areas are either the west side of the city proper or in the hills of West Vancouver, which is a separate municipality across the inlet.

Typical west side streetscape. Streetcar suburbia. Prices vary widely between $2-$8 million.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.26090...7i16384!8i8192

Shaughnessy was probably Vancouver's first elite big-lot leafy neighbourhood. The houses are all treed in but I think you get an idea of the general character from the satellite image. Prices again vary widely anywhere between $3-$20+ million.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.25390.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCAc&uact=5

Point Grey has always been a rich neighbourhood too, in the streetcar suburb typology. Especially the lots backing onto the water. Vancouver's last mayor and Lululemon founder Chip Wilson live here. Off-water houses will be $2-$8 million, but Wilson's house is the most expensive in British Columbia with an assessment that just came in at $65 million (down from $79 million in 2018 - thank you foreign buyers tax!)
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.27165...7i16384!8i8192

Belmont Avenue is supposedly the most expensive street in the region, and also very treed in. Prices from $12-$20 million+
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.27505.../data=!3m1!1e3

The British Properties neighbourhood in West Vancouver probably has the most cachet in the region as a larger neighbourhood (maybe along with Shaughnessy) and has absolutely wicked views of downtown, Stanley Park, and the harbour. Prices anywhere from $3-$15+ million
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.35158.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCAc&uact=5


http://www.brocksmeaton.com/showlist...est-Vancouver/


https://www.alamy.com/aerial-view-of...332527239.html

Unlike many of the examples you guys are giving between old money, new money, different ethnic groups, etc., there don't seem to be (well-known) splits like that in Vancouver. All the neighbourhoods I mentioned have multi-generational wealthy white families and recent Chinese millionaires living side-by-side.

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Winnipeg is a little more tame, but also easier to define.

Wellington Crescent is probably the one major mansion street, and has the most expensive houses in the city. Prices are $1-$3 million, but the houses backing onto the Assiniboine River can be double that
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.87684.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/search?q=well...w=1536&bih=722

Along with Tuxedo, they are Winnipeg's classic old money elite neighbourhoods:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.87169...7i13312!8i6656

Newer sprawl can have houses over $1 million too, but they still don't have the prestige of those old neighbourhoods. Winnipeg is flat as hell so every new subdivision has big water retention ponds, and the houses surrounding them are typically the most expensive ones.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.83319...7i13312!8i6656
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As mentioned, Vancouver's most affluent areas are either the west side of the city proper or in the hills of West Vancouver, which is a separate municipality across the inlet.

Typical west side streetscape. Streetcar suburbia. Prices vary widely between $2-$8 million.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.26090...7i16384!8i8192

Shaughnessy was probably Vancouver's first elite big-lot leafy neighbourhood. The houses are all treed in but I think you get an idea of the general character from the satellite image. Prices again vary widely anywhere between $3-$20+ million.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.25390.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCAc&uact=5

Point Grey has always been a rich neighbourhood too, in the streetcar suburb typology. Especially the lots backing onto the water. Vancouver's last mayor and Lululemon founder Chip Wilson live here. Off-water houses will be $2-$8 million, but Wilson's house is the most expensive in British Columbia with an assessment that just came in at $65 million (down from $79 million in 2018 - thank you foreign buyers tax!)
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.27165...7i16384!8i8192

Belmont Avenue is supposedly the most expensive street in the region, and also very treed in. Prices from $12-$20 million+
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.27505.../data=!3m1!1e3

The British Properties neighbourhood in West Vancouver probably has the most cachet in the region as a larger neighbourhood (maybe along with Shaughnessy) and has absolutely wicked views of downtown, Stanley Park, and the harbour. Prices anywhere from $3-$15+ million
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.35158.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCAc&uact=5


http://www.brocksmeaton.com/showlist...est-Vancouver/


https://www.alamy.com/aerial-view-of...332527239.html

Unlike many of the examples you guys are giving between old money, new money, different ethnic groups, etc., there don't seem to be (well-known) splits like that in Vancouver. All the neighbourhoods I mentioned have multi-generational wealthy white families and recent Chinese millionaires living side-by-side.
There are actually several affluent areas in the Bay Area that are White & Asian. Many are predominantly Asian.

This neigborhood in Fremont is 74% Asian for example...





It's just that we have so many areas that are richer that we usually focus on those...
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Unlike many of the examples you guys are giving between old money, new money, different ethnic groups, etc., there don't seem to be (well-known) splits like that in Vancouver. All the neighbourhoods I mentioned have multi-generational wealthy white families and recent Chinese millionaires living side-by-side.
This is an interesting point - wealthy Asians don't bypass the more established pre-WWII neighborhoods in Vancouver like they do in Toronto.

Shaughnessy is about 40% Chinese, Point Grey around 20-25% - sizeable presence in both. In West Van the British Properties are preferred while the outer West Van neighborhoods are still lilywhite. Rich WASPs seem to care more about being near the ocean.

The Jewish population, which is very small in Vancouver, is larger in Shaughnessy than these other wealthy neighborhoods.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "plex" with exterior stairs found in Quebec is about the only distinctively Canadian residential style that I can think of.
Toronto has Bay and Gable houses (in both rowhouse and detached form), which are generally regarded as the distinct vernacular of the old city.
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This is an interesting point - wealthy Asians don't bypass the more established pre-WWII neighborhoods in Vancouver like they do in Toronto.

Shaughnessy is about 40% Chinese, Point Grey around 20-25% - sizeable presence in both. In West Van the British Properties are preferred while the outer West Van neighborhoods are still lilywhite. Rich WASPs seem to care more about being near the ocean.

The Jewish population, which is very small in Vancouver, is larger in Shaughnessy than these other wealthy neighborhoods.
And Vancouver has these expensive suburban pockets too - and like York Region, these too are more immigrant-heavy as the more established older money families really do seem to prefer to stay west side Vancouver/West Van. Richmond is the most obvious example, along with brand new sprawl in South Surrey and the Coquitlam hills. But these houses are generally $1.5-$4 million - they're a step below what I would call the region's "most affluent areas," which in Vancouver were all developed before WWII.
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West Van is mostly 1950s/1960s suburbia, no? Same era as York Mills and south Oakville. But definitely older than Coquitlam and so on.
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West Van is mostly 1950s/1960s suburbia, no? Same era as York Mills and south Oakville. But definitely older than Coquitlam and so on.
I don't know West Van's history all that well, but according to the neighbourhood's website's history page (who runs this thing??) the original design for the area was done in 1933 and the area developed gradually over the next couple decades. Seems to suggest there was already development before the construction of the Lions Gate Bridge (1938) and that there was quite a bit of development after.

https://britishproperties.com/about-us/legacy/
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^ This photo wasn't shot in London, nor in the UK for that matter.

It was shot in front of 520 W. 27th Street in NYC: https://goo.gl/maps/hLnsZBS9kqmCetp27
sure, neither was it claimed as. Look at the post above it - that was just an example of what a Saudi royal looks like nowadays.
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I don't know West Van's history all that well, but according to the neighbourhood's website's history page (who runs this thing??) the original design for the area was done in 1933 and the area developed gradually over the next couple decades. Seems to suggest there was already development before the construction of the Lions Gate Bridge (1938) and that there was quite a bit of development after.

https://britishproperties.com/about-us/legacy/
The housing in the British Properties looks pretty much entirely post-war to me. West Van was a sort of cottage colony before WWII I believe - the pre-war housing is closer to the waterfront.
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The housing in the British Properties looks pretty much entirely post-war to me. West Van was a sort of cottage colony before WWII I believe - the pre-war housing is closer to the waterfront.
It's very possible, I wouldn't argue it. But being that it's a rich neighbourhood, houses get rebuilt often to be bigger and fancier, so that could be part of it too.
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Quite honestly this looks like the nicer wealthy suburbs of any major Midwestern city
Yeah, it's pretty much a straight-out suburban typology within city limits (which are huge in Toronto). It's pretty much classic rich suburbia - commonly found in US metros, less common in Canada.
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Chinese population in selected wealthy Van. census tracts:

Tract 21 (Shaughnessy) 38.8%
Tract 8.02 (Southlands) 33.9%
Tract 24 (Dunbar) 32.3%
Tract 44 (Point Grey) 18.6%
Tract 132 (West Vancouver - Marine Drive) 11.4%

The wealthiest dissemination area of all is in Point Grey in the Belmont area - and it's 41.2% Chinese, much higher than Point Grey as a whole.
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