Should Canada Be Preparing for a Destabilized USA? - Page 11

Acajack · #**201** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:24 AM**

Detroit's gonna have to come through for Clinton if she is to win Michigan and have a chance to pull this off.

Acajack · #**202** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:28 AM**

Now trying to decide which of the numerous friends' Facebook discussions (that are taking off at the moment) that I will dignify with my commentary!

sunsetmountainland · #**203** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:33 AM**

This thread name is so drama queen! Thank you whatnext!

lrt's friend · #**204** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:34 AM**

not exactly a 'sunny ways' election in the USA. Perhaps, the total opposite.

lrt's friend · #**205** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:36 AM**

talk about a gloomy mood on the CBS broadcast, almost a stunned reaction.

logan5 · #**206** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:37 AM**

Trump at 232...

eternallyme · #**207** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

People on SSP fail constantly to realize how many right wing people there are out there. They aren't the enemy, they want what's best for their country just like the left wing people do. How to get there is how they differ. Most people on this forum are centre left and will affiliate themselves with like minded people and hence conclude everyone thinks like them. The truth is the split has always been close to 50/50 and the swing votes and the vote that stays home has been what makes the difference most elections. Still lots of counting to do but it's good regardless of outcome to see people out doing their civic duty.

Even in Canada, there are more than we think. Also SSP is largely living in an urban bubble, while the Trump types are predominant outside of them.

Acajack · #**208** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by eternallyme

Even in Canada, there are more than we think. Also SSP is largely living in an urban bubble, while the Trump types are predominant outside of them.

Indeed. Stephen Harper got the same percentage of the vote in 2011 that Justin Trudeau got in 2015.

lrt's friend · #**209** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by eternallyme

Even in Canada, there are more than we think. Also SSP is largely living in an urban bubble, while the Trump types are predominant outside of them.

It is still shocking that Trump will likely win based on being outrageous. It is amazing that this could be a winning tactic. I guess only he could pull this off.

Corndogger · #**210** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by eternallyme

Even in Canada, there are more than we think. Also SSP is largely living in an urban bubble, while the Trump types are predominant outside of them.

The media is living in a bubble as well. If they actually paid attention they would realize many on the right are reluctant to reveal where they really stand out of fear of being mocked, etc. If the Conservatives weren't such a mess last fall I doubt Justin would have won with such a huge majority. I question if he would have won period.

lrt's friend · #**211** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Corndogger

The media is living in a bubble as well. If they actually paid attention they would realize many on the right are reluctant to reveal where they really stand out of fear of being mocked, etc. If the Conservatives weren't such a mess last fall I doubt Justin would have won with such a huge majority. I question if he would have won period.

Well, I think this true regardless of political leanings. The public is rebelling against polling. There is too much of it. I know I have lied to pollsters.

geotag277 · #**212** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:55 AM**

Polling is polling. It has always been imperfect. It was especially imperfect this year due to both candidates having extremely high unfavorability ratings. There were silent supporters of both Clinton and Trump who likely didn't want to admit they were supporting them.

I found a lot of people severely misinterpreted aggregators like 538 this year as well. They assumed since they guessed every state correctly in 2012 that they were infallible. In reality, they always had a Trump win as possible within even their margin of error. Them giving Clinton a 50.1 chance of winning Florida for example is by no means a surefire Clinton victory (well, that is obvious now).

Acajack · #**213** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:58 AM**

I find this is even more dramatic than Bush-Gore in 2000.

The only thing I can recall being more exciting personally was the 1995 Quebec referendum.

geotag277 · #**214** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 4:59 AM**

538 just reported that Trump did better against Clinton with both blacks and Hispanics, compared to Romney against Obama. Fancy that.

eternallyme · #**215** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 5:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Indeed. Stephen Harper got the same percentage of the vote in 2011 that Justin Trudeau got in 2015.

I think Trump would actually do decently well in large parts of Canada (and not limited to any provinces), but would get creamed big time in the major cities.

Stingray2004 · #**216** Posted **Nov 9, 2016, 5:00 AM**

Even though Trump was a buffoon extraordinaire... doesn't have temperament, not qualified to be prez... etc., etc. and lost in all other major categories... Trump still basically only won best on "economy & jobs" in opinion polling with blue collar workers. Thought that his major overall negatives would supersede same.

Have seen the "jobs & economy" narrative proverbially "trump" all other matters before at the ballot box. But IMHO not conceivable this time. Esp. here.

And, frankly, I am shocked at results...

Not ready to call this though... Not yet. At all.