HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Texas & Southcentral > Austin


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #161  
Old Posted Mar 13, 2015, 8:31 AM
drummer drummer is offline
World Traveler
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Austin metro area
Posts: 4,479
Quote:
Originally Posted by wwmiv View Post
I agree re: second part. Rainey is just... actually worth preserving.
Exactly - and I hope they do in some way.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #162  
Old Posted Apr 18, 2015, 1:21 AM
LoneStarMike's Avatar
LoneStarMike LoneStarMike is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin
Posts: 2,264
April 16, 2015








Reply With Quote
     
     
  #163  
Old Posted Apr 22, 2015, 5:10 AM
KevinFromTexas's Avatar
KevinFromTexas KevinFromTexas is offline
Meh
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin <------------> Birmingham?
Posts: 57,326
Nice pics. There's quite a cluster of buildings forming over there.
__________________
Conform or be cast out.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #164  
Old Posted Jun 17, 2015, 2:28 PM
The ATX's Avatar
The ATX The ATX is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Where the lights are much brighter
Posts: 12,045
Millennium Rainey scaffolding collapse closes No Va:

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/bl...ey-street.html
__________________
Follow The ATX on X:
https://twitter.com/TheATX1

Things will be great when you're downtown.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #165  
Old Posted Jun 26, 2015, 3:14 AM
Urbannizer's Avatar
Urbannizer Urbannizer is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: 360, St. Edwards
Posts: 12,380
6/25

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #166  
Old Posted Aug 4, 2015, 4:30 AM
Urbannizer's Avatar
Urbannizer Urbannizer is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: 360, St. Edwards
Posts: 12,380
8/1







__________________
HAIF

Last edited by Urbannizer; Aug 4, 2015 at 5:45 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #167  
Old Posted Aug 4, 2015, 6:17 PM
the Genral's Avatar
the Genral the Genral is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Between RRock and a hard place
Posts: 4,431
Well, it may not add much to the skyline, but at least it will add to the congestion.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #168  
Old Posted Aug 4, 2015, 11:16 PM
resansom resansom is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 253
Unhappy There goes the neighborhood...

This is looking more and more like a missed opportunity to add some density that had some character that fit in with the history and character of the neighborhood. This looks like a cookie-cutter, run-of-the-mill, monolithic, boring apartment/condo complex...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #169  
Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 12:15 AM
Syndic's Avatar
Syndic Syndic is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,945
Uhh... what history of the neighborhood?

The bars you see there now only sprung up in the last 10 years or so after the area was re-zoned to make way for DEVELOPMENT. They were always meant to be temporary.

I'm glad the area is getting some density, even if it isn't as tall as we'd like it to be.
__________________
Anti-Leslie Pool. Bury I-35! Make The Domain public!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #170  
Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 12:44 AM
KevinFromTexas's Avatar
KevinFromTexas KevinFromTexas is offline
Meh
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin <------------> Birmingham?
Posts: 57,326
He's not wrong. This looks like the stuff that's going up in West Campus and Riverside. At least the stuff on Lamar has some design merits. This is a box for people.

By the way, I think resansom was talking about the Mexican heritage of the neighborhood.
__________________
Conform or be cast out.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #171  
Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 1:06 AM
Syndic's Avatar
Syndic Syndic is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,945
Meh, it was boring single-family houses before. It's not so bad. It looks like a lot of the other mid-rise developments you see around Austin and no one's dogging on those. They're only doing it here because of the location.

And re: the history, I doubt it.
__________________
Anti-Leslie Pool. Bury I-35! Make The Domain public!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #172  
Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 5:21 AM
austlar1 austlar1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 3,431
Quote:
Originally Posted by Syndic View Post
Meh, it was boring single-family houses before. It's not so bad. It looks like a lot of the other mid-rise developments you see around Austin and no one's dogging on those. They're only doing it here because of the location.

And re: the history, I doubt it.
Looks like this one has concrete construction at least, so maybe there will be decent soundproofing between floors and less risk of a major fire. I think those stick-builds on top of or around parking structures are kind of scary.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #173  
Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 5:21 AM
JoninATX JoninATX is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The ATX
Posts: 3,317
Well it's not done yet. Once the brick goes on it will start to look alot better.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #174  
Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 4:02 PM
_Matt _Matt is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 400
Rainey Street as people knew it about 5-10 years ago was an anomaly due to the timing of re-zoning and the credit crunch. The city can't take an old neighborhood street and say "we are converting this to a party district" and expect stakeholder support.

This building creates an actual neighborhood further north on Rainey which is a great thing. Before this, it was a strip of bars that didn't contribute much to the city and the space was being vastly underutilized. The best bars and restaurants are still there. This is much more sustainable as a functioning area, not just evenings and weekends, but all week long.

Also, good architecture is nice, but it is also more expensive for the people living there and prices people out of the market. Building a human scale structure with first floor retail is not a bad thing, even if it is box.

What the area needs are more neighborhood elements within a walkable radius. This seems to be coming with the developments south and towards I-35 and also if Waller Creek towers are executed properly, that will help.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #175  
Old Posted Aug 5, 2015, 9:50 PM
pscajunguy pscajunguy is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 116
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoninATX View Post
Well it's not done yet. Once the brick goes on it will start to look alot better.
I don't even think if they plated it with gold and encrusted it with rubies, sapphires and emeralds that it would belong anywhere close to downtown - perhaps East Austin, but there are developments there that I prefer over this one. It would perhaps be something more appropriate for a place like Round Rock or Lubbock. It might even make a statement in downtown Laredo, because it would fit right in, there.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #176  
Old Posted Aug 6, 2015, 12:04 AM
drummer drummer is offline
World Traveler
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Austin metro area
Posts: 4,479
I can only imagine the thefts around a building encrusted with rubies, sapphires, and emeralds...

...but I see your point.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #177  
Old Posted Aug 6, 2015, 1:22 AM
the Genral's Avatar
the Genral the Genral is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Between RRock and a hard place
Posts: 4,431
I pass by simular buildings like this at LaFrontera and the Domain, and even on Burnet Rd, which is why I don't much care for it downtown. Except for the fact that its a couple of floors taller, its....so....generic, so suburban. For there, I would have loved to see a modern version of the brownstones you see in Boston, Brooklyn, and near Wrigley Field in Chicago. Or a continuation of taller highrises. When I drive towards downtown from the south, this thing is going to be prominant and nothing special. I'm pretty disappointed more now than when it was first announced, but I suppose I'll get over it. At least its better than the Hilton Garden.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #178  
Old Posted Aug 6, 2015, 1:33 AM
austlar1 austlar1 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 3,431
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Matt View Post
Rainey Street as people knew it about 5-10 years ago was an anomaly due to the timing of re-zoning and the credit crunch. The city can't take an old neighborhood street and say "we are converting this to a party district" and expect stakeholder support.

This building creates an actual neighborhood further north on Rainey which is a great thing. Before this, it was a strip of bars that didn't contribute much to the city and the space was being vastly underutilized. The best bars and restaurants are still there. This is much more sustainable as a functioning area, not just evenings and weekends, but all week long.

Also, good architecture is nice, but it is also more expensive for the people living there and prices people out of the market. Building a human scale structure with first floor retail is not a bad thing, even if it is box.

What the area needs are more neighborhood elements within a walkable radius. This seems to be coming with the developments south and towards I-35 and also if Waller Creek towers are executed properly, that will help.
Yes, yes, yes, and yes!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #179  
Old Posted Aug 6, 2015, 3:01 AM
Myomi Myomi is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 244
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Matt View Post
Rainey Street as people knew it about 5-10 years ago was an anomaly due to the timing of re-zoning and the credit crunch. The city can't take an old neighborhood street and say "we are converting this to a party district" and expect stakeholder support.

This building creates an actual neighborhood further north on Rainey which is a great thing. Before this, it was a strip of bars that didn't contribute much to the city and the space was being vastly underutilized. The best bars and restaurants are still there. This is much more sustainable as a functioning area, not just evenings and weekends, but all week long.

Also, good architecture is nice, but it is also more expensive for the people living there and prices people out of the market. Building a human scale structure with first floor retail is not a bad thing, even if it is box.

What the area needs are more neighborhood elements within a walkable radius. This seems to be coming with the developments south and towards I-35 and also if Waller Creek towers are executed properly, that will help.
1) One building does not make a neighborhood. The south side of Rainey has already turned into quite the neighborhood of residential buildings (one of the densest areas of the city), and there was plenty of space in the parking lot to the North to create a bit more without having to demolition any houses.

2) I don't know how many times it needs to be stated on this thread, but there is ONE, limited ground floor retail spot in this project. It is so apparent from the pictures Urbannizer just posted, and its been clear from all the site plans. Oh...and I can assure you that the rent here is not going to be any less "expensive" as anything else in the area.

3) The vast majority of the area fronting Rainey will be ground floor apartments (going to be interesting to see how that plays out). The parking garage will have a large driveway that pours out on Rainey. The entire side of the street, for an entire block, will be more or less barren for pedestrian activity, except for one tiny spot for retail (on the south side, next to the "boring single family homes"). Certainly none of these elements would be considered by any urbanist on these forums as helping make the project more "human scale" or "walkable."

Yes, Rainey is a new manifestation of Austin culture. But is so unique to our city. Heck, here in the northeast, people I talk with about our awesome city often distinctly remember the cool vibe of the street with a bunch of houses that were turned into restaurants and bars. If we wanted density, we could of easily had that without destroying the houses on Rainey. Look no further to what Shore and Hotel Van Zandt did. It would of been so easy to build high on East Avenue and leave the houses fronting Rainey to maintain the vibe of the area. Now we have what I truly consider the worst development that has come through Austin.

If this project was built anywhere else in downtown, we would hate it. Cookie cutter, no ground floor retail, not very tall, and something that required demolishing something very unique (be it a rather recent addition) to Austin. It is certainly just as bad, if not worse, that anything going up on Red River. It is truly the only project, for me at least, that truly disgusts and disappoints me to what could of been.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #180  
Old Posted Aug 6, 2015, 3:38 AM
the Genral's Avatar
the Genral the Genral is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Between RRock and a hard place
Posts: 4,431
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myomi View Post
1) One building does not make a neighborhood. The south side of Rainey has already turned into quite the neighborhood of residential buildings (one of the densest areas of the city), and there was plenty of space in the parking lot to the North to create a bit more without having to demolition any houses.

If this project was built anywhere else in downtown, we would hate it. Cookie cutter, no ground floor retail, not very tall, and something that required demolishing something very unique (be it a rather recent addition) to Austin. It is certainly just as bad, if not worse, that anything going up on Red River. It is truly the only project, for me at least, that truly disgusts and disappoints me to what could of been.
My thought exactly. Well said on all your points.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Texas & Southcentral > Austin
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 5:33 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.