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Old Posted Oct 9, 2003, 9:59 PM
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Hey CG5, if you could make me a cleaner copy of that image, without the "Downtown Living 2.0" or whatever on it, I'll see if I can get it to the Common Council. Anyone want to send this to the developers? That's a good idea.
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Don't bother.

All parties involved have seen renderings with the two towers next to each other already (as stated in the article posted above).

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Good point Markitect. Based on that, I hope plans for the UCT fall through. Kilbourn is a better building by far, and it doesn't have any large blank walls. Any portion of blank wall is a bad one. By the way - since we're on the topic of bad urban planning, why don't we talk about bad architecture as well...
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By the way - since we're on the topic of bad urban planning, why don't we talk about bad architecture as well...
If you're gonna go off on a tangent about existing bad architetcure in Milwaukee, or elsewhere, it's better suited for a brand new thread, not this one.

Let's try not to mix existing stuff with proposed/under construction stuff in this thread.
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All parties involved have seen renderings with the two towers next to each other already (as stated in the article posted above).
I'm not so sure. It depends on whether you consider the terms "illustrations" and renderings/"pictures" synonamous. The article suggests that illustrations were used--which, quite frankly, could mean anything from deciphering plan views to using massing demonstrations with other similarly sized adjacent buildings in a different city--while a rendering of this quality is probably pretty rare and not as meticulously demonstrated. Furthermore, if the renderings did exist, why wouldn't the Journal-Sentinel shown them? All they could muster is the same two buildings in separate renderings, which implied to me that said "illustrations" were unclear.
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Nope. They weren't plan drawings, they weren't pictures of other similarly-spaced buildings from some other city. It was a perspective rendering of Kilbourn Tower and University Club Tower standing next to each other. Showing plans or pictures of other buildings wouldn't get the point across about these two specific buildings. What was shown was essentially the same thing CG5 spliced together on his own. They've seen it already. Trust me.

From the article:

Despite the implied threat of a possible lawsuit from Fiduciary, members of the Zoning, Neighborhoods and Development Committee sided with University Club Tower. The committee unanimously recommended approval of the University Club project to the full council, which is to vote on the issue Oct. 14.

Fiduciary is concerned that the 32-story University Club Tower, if built as presently designed, would create a sense of overcrowding with the 33-story Kilbourn Tower, said Craig Raddatz, Fiduciary development director.

To illustrate his point, Raddatz showed aldermen an illustration that depicted both buildings - standing side by side like giant redwood trees.

The towers, which would be among the tallest buildings downtown, would be 25 feet apart for most of their height - roughly the length of two Volkswagen New Beetles parked end to end.

"I truly believe when you see pictures of the two buildings together," Raddatz said, "we are dealing with a huge compatibility issue."



The Journal Sentinel didn't publish the illustration showing both towers because the drawing wasn't released to the paper. If it would have, the article would've included the rendering.

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ok my milwaukee friends, fill me in or correct me on any projects i have listed below. i just visited the old skyscrapers.com and was checking the database to run through all the recent highrise activity in the greater downtown area.

so we have:

-1522 on the lake - 18 flrs.: completed earlier this year


-cathedral place - 18 flrs.: topped out, should be completed soon?
-kilbourne tower - 33 flrs.:foundation work has commenced, are they out of the ground yet?


-university club tower - 32 flrs.: dispute with kilbourne developers, we'll see what happens.
-ovation plaza - 22 flrs.: prelim. design, awaiting tenant(s) to move forward.
-lafayette place - 32 flrs.: what's the latest word? any updates or news?
-broadway/wisconsin tower - 24 flrs.: what's the latest word? any updates or news?



any others i missed?
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Yep, you got all the recent high-rise activity on that list.

1522 on the Lake
- 18 stories
- Condos
- 93 units
- Completed early 2003

Cathedral Place
- 18 stories
- Mixed-use: Retail, Condos (26 units), Office
- Under construction; expected completion Jan/Feb 2004

Kilbourn Tower (no "E" in Kilbourn!)
- 33 stories
- Condos
- 74 units
- Under construction (foundation work); expected completion Spring 2005

University Club Tower
- 32 stories
- Condos
- 52 units
- Seeking final approval (anticipated groundbreaking early-2004)

Ovation Plaza
- 22 stories
- Mixed-use: Retail, Office, Condos (specifics unknown)
- Proposed project with preliminary design; seeking tenants

Unnamed Wisconsin/Broadway Tower
- 24 stories
- Mixed-use (specifics unknown)
- Proposed project; seeking tenants

River Tower
- 25 stories
- Condos
- Approximately 35-40 units
- Cancelled project; financing fell through

Lafayette Place
- 32 stories
- Condos
- 139 units
- Cancelled project; financing fell through

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thanks, markitect. so out of the 4 proposed/approved towers, it sounds like UCT is the only one that we might see start construction anytime soon (provided they can work out their differences with kilbourn). the other three are kinda hanging in limbo now?
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Everyone forgets that ugly 14 story hospital completed on the southside. The Cardiac Expansion of St. Luke's.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2003, 4:02 AM
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Nobody forgot; he only asked for high-rise projects near Downtown (which the South Side isn't).

But anyway...

St. Luke's Medical Center - Heart Care and Patient Tower
- 12 stories
- Hospital expansion
- Under construction; expected completion 2004



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the other three are kinda hanging in limbo now?
Correct.
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Plans to convert the former Pabst Brewery complex into a vibrant mixed-use district called PabstCity are starting to pick up steam. The Journal Sentinel reports developers have filed a request to raze a few unusable and/or undesirable buidings on the property to make way for new builidings and amenities.

Developers are also working at signing some major anchor tenants for the project. Since February, developers have received letters of intent from five tenants expressing interest in leasing space in the redevelopment (a Hofbrauhaus microbrewery, House of Blues, and three unnamed businesses). Developers are working at converting those leters of intent into definite leases.

See what's on tap in the article: Developers seeking approval to raze some Pabst buildings
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Developers of Lafayette Place have decided to drop their plans--they have been unable to secure financing to make the proposal a reality.

The Lafayette Place proposal was a 32-story, 139-unit condo tower located in a dense low-rise neighborhood on Milwaukee's East Side. It had gone through a few design iterations in order to try to satisfy neighborhood concerns about placing a high-rise in the middle of a low-rise neighborhood. But with other condo developments popping up all over the city, both high-rise and low-rise, Lafayette developers were also weary about flooding the market. They will attempt to develop the vacant lot with something else in the future.

Read all about it from the Journal Sentinel: Plans are dropped for condos on east side

I'm actually not disappointed this one has been dropped, as a high-rise was never really suitable for that neighborhood.

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*Cheers*

Woo hoo! I was never a fan of Lafayette, as we've discussed before. COMPLETELY wrong for the neighborhood. This is (ironically) great news. Wow...so I must sound really wacko to all you super 'scraper enthusiasts. Heh...sorry. I'm a big fan of urban design/planning. Both Lafayette and UCT are good examples of incosiderate planning.

And as for my earlier "bad architecture" comment, I was being sarcastic. I was making referrence to the blank portions of UCT's north facade. I don't know of many modern high-rises with huge portions of blank wall. That's why it seems so deliberate to me. At any rate, you should be used to sardonic citygod by now. I've been like this as long as you've known me.
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Plans to revitalize the Milwaukee Amtrak Station picked up steam when the Wisconsin Department of Transportation and a development group known as Milwaukee Intermodal Partners signed a contract creating a public/private partnership for the project. Discussions about revitalizing the station have been ongoing for several years--first in the late-1990s by the previous owner (those plans fell through); and more recently by WisDOT, the present owner of the building.

In addition to some much needed cosmetic improvements, the building is intended to become an intermodal station, primarily served by trains (Amtrak service, as well as the proposed Metra extension and high-speed rail), buses (local, regional, and national). Pedestrian and bicycle amenities are also being considered. The developers are in talks with Greyhound and Badger bus operators to relocate thier terminals (both of which are just a few blocks away, across the street from one another) to the Amtrak station.

The station's exterior will receive a major facade overhaul and new canopied entrances/bus loading areas.

The station's interior will be reconfigured to accommodate additional ticket counters (for trains and the buses, and car rentals) and a few small retail spaces (the restaurant that used to be in the station was closed a few years ago and replaced by a wall of vending machines). The waiting areas will feature improved displays of schedules fro trains, buses, and flights at Mitchell Field (where a new station is being built).

The $3.9 million project is expected to be completed in 2005.

All aboard, to the WisDOT press release: Contract signing is first step in turning Amtrak Station into "Gateway to Milwaukee"

Pictured below is a preliminary rendering of the remodeled Milwaukee Amtrak Station.

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GREAT NEWS!!! I must say, though, that the rendering merely looks like an extension of the building to the west and not the tremendous asthetic overhaul of the rest of it (read: the big boxy blandness that is most of the building). But a intermodal facility like this is huge for downtown, particularly when the Marquette reconstruction gets into full swing.
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No extensions, aside from the canopies--they're using the existing structure and just giving it a new "skin" really. It is still somewhat bland, but even that is a major improvement over the existing conditions.

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An open house for the Pier Wisconsin architectural competition was held this Thursday, as described in the Journal Sentinel. Represnetatives from three out of the five firms in the competition were on hand to answer questions and/or describe their design concepts so far. The competition is still underway, and the due date is expected in mid-November (thus, no renderings to show).

A few of the firms, Kubala Washatko and Eppstein Uhen, describe what they have in mind.

See the artcile for more info: Ideas floated for Pier Wisconsin - Open house along lakefront brings out architects, public
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So who are the five firms? Antoine Predock was initially mentioned, but we haven't heard much yet. The renderings should be available around November 15th(ish), right?
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Yeah, Predock was mentioned in the earlier article.
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