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Old Posted Aug 25, 2017, 4:23 PM
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For me it's not the design where Toronto fails but rather the building materials. Everything over 15 stories seems to be blue-glass. South Core is the worse example with CityPlace a very close second. They both look like glass blobs because from a distance you can't decipher where one building ends and the other begins. Colour is the spice of life and those areas lack of colour explains their sterility.
Thanks for reminding us for the umpteenth time. I don't disagree entirely with you. Southcore doesn't look good as a collection of buildings in the skyline. I just find the emphasis on skyline aesthetics on SSP distracting people from more important things like architectural quality, form, livability ... y'know... the neighbourhood experience than the overall look of it from afar.

Cityplace/Southcore has better than average tower designs that you're brushing aside just because they are clad in glass. Architectural quality should always take precedence over the populist cladding of the era. Urbantoronto is also becoming a little too obsessed with colour as if a splash of colour can turn mediocrity into a gem. Spandrel garbage is even being accepted just because it's a shade of grey is slightly darker than the most common grey used.
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The actual height of The One is a matter of ongoing debate right now... nobody seems to know the real height.
This was posted by WS in the top 10 U/C a couple of days ago:
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The roof height is 306.3 metres
The "stand in" for the parapet brings it up to 307.9 metres

IIRC, the zoning bylaw allows for a parapet to extend up to 315 to 320 metres.
Is this now up for debate again ?
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It's been changed yet again, back to 306.3 now...
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2017, 7:59 PM
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back to 306.3 roof and 307.9 to its tippy tip. Fingers crossed it doesn't stay at 307.9. I've said it before, I hate the top.
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back to 306.3 roof and 307.9 to its tippy tip. Fingers crossed it doesn't stay at 307.9. I've said it before, I hate the top.
Loool oh gawd. Does it even matter? No one will notice a difference of 50m at that height
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2017, 7:35 PM
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Loool oh gawd. Does it even matter? No one will notice a difference of 50m at that height
Some forumers obviously care.

Now, I'm going to assume that was your point by quoting me. You do have a history of L-O-L-ing after completely missing the point. Y'know. It's not about the extra height. It's rectifying the hatchet job to the top of the building.
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Loool oh gawd. Does it even matter? No one will notice a difference of 50m at that height
Are you ever wrong...

Fifty metres less would make it about the same height as Number One Bloor. People, even ordinary people, on the Toronto streets, would notice if The One suddenly shrank to the same height as 1 Bloor... it's the difference between being tall and being a supertall.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2017, 8:04 PM
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You're blurring the lines between proposal and built. People wouldn't know or really care about learning that it shrunk during the proposal process. They would only take notice if built up to 300 metres than demolished back down to 250 metres (which is how your posts reads.)
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You're right... for my post to be accurate we'd have to travel forward in time.
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There is one problem. Mizrahi is a lot of things but, here's not going to develop a tower 300 metres tall and than demolish the top 50 metres.

Let's say the tower gets capped at 250 metres. In my experience, few of my contacts would care to listen that the tower was meant to be built up to 300 metres. They'd fake their acknowledgement.
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Well let me just say that regardless of how my earlier post came out, THIS is really the point:

There is quite a difference between a hypothetical 250 metre tower and a hypothetical 300 metre tower. If they were being looked at side-by-side, and could easily be compared, everybody would notice the difference in size.
And saying that 50 metres doesn't make a difference? Where did you come up with that? That's the height of a 16 storey residential tower, or a 12 storey office tower...
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Sure but would they care?

A 250 metre tower next to a 300 metre tower is not the same as a 280 metre tower next to a 200 metre tower for us. Would these scenarios be as distinct to people not on this forum? I don't think so. They would only see two towers; one shorter than the other. 50 or so metres doesn't really matter.
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Nice job. The tower design aren't too bad if you ignore the inhuman, bulbous podiums (away from the unfortunate incorporation of the 50s institutional office block. Twins don't help the cause either.
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Agreed on all counts in this case.
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Nice job. The tower design aren't too bad if you ignore the inhuman, bulbous podiums (away from the unfortunate incorporation of the 50s institutional office block. Twins don't help the cause either.
Thanks. I think the 50's office block addition is the developers token attempt to mollify any NIMBY's with "Heritage retention and restoration" in the proposal. I'm surprised you didn't mention that there's yet more of the dreaded black and white pattern...

In any case, I can see several more changes before construction begins. These could end up looking radically different still...
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Leave the office block alone or add a couple floors that compliment the structure or look original to the structure. It'll never look good as a podium for multiple, 2000 era, glass towers.

RE: black and white

I did say "aren't too bad". That's hardly glowing. And, really, you're honestly comparing this to G+C's black and white balcony craptacular? You're certainly making it even tougher to be respectable to other people's opinions on design. Jeez. YC is utter crap from a mediocre design to an even worse execution of it.
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Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion there...

Anyways, the final design is likely to be very different from what is currently proposed.
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Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion there...

Anyways, the final design is likely to be very different from what is currently proposed.
Your reputation to defend tall towers of all criticism religiously does proceed you. Look no further than YC. That is why you even brought it up afterall. You just can't stand someone seeing it as a growing eyesore from a design perspective and at this stage of construction.

Each revision has been progressively worst. I'm not looking forward to the next.
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Religiously?

Sorry, but I'm an atheist...
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