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Old Posted Dec 15, 2007, 3:55 AM
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Vancouver: Break-in capital of North America

Vancouver crowned break-in capital of North America
Last Updated: Friday, December 14, 2007 | 2:49 PM ET
CBC News

A new report has given Vancouver a dubious honour: the highest break-in rate of all major Canadian and American cities, nearly four times that of New York City.

Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per 100,000 residents while New York City had just over 300.

The numbers are contained in the annual report by the B.C. Progress Board, which showed Vancouver had the second-highest combined violent and property crime rate among all major cities in Canada and the United States.

The annual report, which tracks a wide range of statistics on everything from exports to cancer rates to crime, and then ranks the province and Vancouver against other provinces, states and cities, has since 2001 become known for delivering good news and bad news.

After the report's release on Thursday, Health Minister George Abbott noted B.C. once again ranks first for health outcomes in Canada.

"I'm very pleased by that. We know that British Columbians live longer than just about anyone else on the face of the earth."

Fewer British Columbians are obese and fewer adults smoke than in any other Canadian province. And B.C. leads the country in life expectancy.

But it's in the area known as 'social condition,' which measures everything from poverty to birth weights, that B.C. falls down with a ninth-place ranking among the 10 provinces.

According to the report, the most troubling social indicator was the 17.5 percent of British Columbians living below the low-income threshold, the second-worst ranking in Canada.

The report also notes the situation has not improved at all during the past decade.

And while crime rates have been improving, B.C. still lags behind the national average in all major categories.

Property crime in particular is a problem, NDP solicitor general's critic Mike Farnworth points out.

"It shows B.C. has the worst rate of property crime in the country. I think it's nothing for this province to be proud of."

Despite the fact that crime rates have fallen significantly between 1997 and 2005, B.C. still ranked 60th in a North American comparison.

The report blames several factors for B.C.'s above-average crime rate

* Criminal business organizations involved in the illegal drug trade.
* Defective and/or deficient childhood development practices.
* Mental disorder and fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.
* High numbers of impoverished chronic, repeat offenders addicted to drugs and alcohol.
* The apparent failure of the criminal justice system to punish offenders.

But while Vancouver has high property crime rates, it ranks better on violent crimes with rates below those found among major U.S. cities.

Vancouver's violent crime rate of 391 incidents per 100,000 population ranked it eighth, behind top-ranking Quebec at 185 incidents per 100,000 population and ahead of Detroit with 716, said the report.


Vancouver ranked eighth on the homicide rate with 2.5 per population, above the national average of 1.9, but less than one-quarter of bottom ranked Detroit.
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Thieves thrive in a society where people don't feel socially mobile and have less economic opporunity. Is there an untold story in the BC economy we haven't heard about?

BC is hardly the place with most economic problems, but it has to contribute.

I'd say the other part might be drug trade. People looking for a fix, people escaping the law to trade. Maybe legalization of drugs and government control could help the problem.
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It's not the people, it's the laws of our nation that keep criminals on our streets instead of serving adequate sentences for plaguing society. Petty criminals only feel emboldened to continue committing crimes over, and over, and over.

But Vancouver is a major port city and as a result has a great deal of drug traffic moving through it. Anywhere you have a warmer climate, a lax judicial system, extremely easy access to narcotics and a "ghetto" of sorts where the criminal element and its activities can easily hide, you'll have high petty crime rates.

Furthermore, the fact that Vancouver has 1,100 break-ins per 100,000 residents and NYC has 300/100,000 doesn't mean much. There's a much higher population density in NYC and the crime is statistically more distributed. I'm willing to bet that if NYC was Vancouver's size the two city's rates would be very comparable, and NYC would have a much higher murder/attempted murder rate.
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Even if they handed out longer sentences, it would'nt do much. These people break into places to get money for drugs and they couldn't care less about the consequences. I am for mandatory drug treatment and being sent to a work camp in Northern BC nowhere close to any drug dealers.
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Even if they handed out longer sentences, it would'nt do much. These people break into places to get money for drugs and they couldn't care less about the consequences. I am for mandatory drug treatment and being sent to a work camp in Northern BC nowhere close to any drug dealers.
isn't it that Lorne Mayencourt doing something about that, here's the article publish in the province newspapers December 2, 2007


New Hope for drug addicts
Lorne Mayencourt: Treatment centre to open officially in January
Susan lazaruk, The Province
Published: Sunday, December 02, 2007
Vancouver MLA Lorne Mayencourt's dream of a made-in-Italy drug treatment centre for B.C. came closer to reality yesterday, despite limited staff, clients, budget and government funding.
Mayencourt was to leave this morning for the 10-hour drive to Prince George with five recovering addicts as the first clients at New Hope, a long-term, live-in addiction treatment program modelled after San Patrignano in Italy.
With a $60-million yearly budget, the Italian abstinence-based program treats 2,200 addicts at a time, turning out functioning sober graduates trained in industries such as carpentry and cheese-making.

NDP MLA Lorne Mayencourt talks about plans for New Hope addiction treatment centre in Prince George.
Jon Murray -- the Province

Some 85 per cent remain clean for three years after leaving, compared with 15 per cent on average after the 28-day treatment programs here, said Mayencourt.
He said there are short-term treatment and harm-reduction programs in B.C., such as the supervised injection site in Vancouver, but "there isn't a [long-term] program for people who don't want to use drugs," he said.
Years after visiting the isolated Tuscan community, where addicts volunteer to live for three to five years, Mayencourt recently raised $100,000 in private donations.
New Hope is expected to officially open in January at a 65-hectare, fully equipped former U.S. air force base called Baldy Hughes, about 35 kilometres from Prince George.
Built in 1955 and closed in 1988, it was donated by two Albertans who bought it at auction after a local couple failed to turn it into a western-style adventure vacation complex.
The base includes six dorms, an industrial-size kitchen and mess, gym, bowling alley, ice arena and curling rink, as well as woodworking and automotive shops for training clients.
Mayencourt has hired the only paid staffer for New Hope, executive-director Jaret Clay, formerly of Pacifica, a 35-bed Vancouver addiction treatment centre with 25 staff and six full-time counsellors.
New Hope as yet has no formalized treatment program and no other staff. Clay said he and Mayencourt are still meeting to discuss how the centre will be run.
Mayencourt, who plans to spend the next two months at the site doing renovations, said his goal is to have 100 clients by the end of next year and 400 by 2010. He said $1.4 million is needed for the first year, rising to $9 million by year three.
Mayencourt is able to secure about $600 per client per month available through B.C. welfare, but no other public funding.
He said he expects to raise the money privately and welcomes any donations of cash, as well as warm clothing and sporting equipment.
There are plans for peer counsellors -- such as other recovered addicts and alcoholics from established faith-based programs used at the majority of B.C. treatment centres -- to visit, and clients will help other clients who join later, he said.
Clients will learn love and acceptance by living in a healthy community, said Mayencourt, who has no recovery expertise but years ago founded Vancouver Friends for Life, a support program for persons living with AIDS, despite opposition from naysayers.
Lorne Mayencourt: Treatment centre to open officially in January
Susan lazaruk, The Province
Published: Sunday, December 02, 2007
He said New Hope's philosophy is to be based on individuals taking responsibility for themselves.
"If you can stay clean and sign a promise that you can stay clean, then you can stay," he said. "It isn't rocket science."
Dave Dickson, a sex-trade liaison in the Downtown Eastside for Vancouver police, applauded the idea of providing addicts a place to recover away from drug-riddled communities, and for teaching them skills.

Brent Reitberger, 27, who said he'd like to be among the first clients, stopped smoking crack cocaine three days before. "It's hard to get into a program here," he said.
He'd like to finish his Grade 12 and learn a construction trade while he recovers from his addiction.
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they get a slap on the wrist and get sent out again

justice in Canada is becoming a joke - look at those kids who laughed after they got away with nothing for paralyzing a guy they beat with an axe or something

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I'm not convinced that hard prison sentences solve anything. I lived in Memphis once upon a time, and its a place where the local jails and state/federal prisons that serve the area have thousands and thousands of inmates, but the city has sky high crime. They throw people in prison just for looking at officers the wrong way down there... Doesn't change a thing.

Its all about the larger culture and factors within society that create reasons for people to steal.

Not that I have the answers, but this is certainly a black eye for BC.

If that's true SpongeG it does need to be changed where they take crime more seriously.
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it was quite the chatter on talk radio the other day - people are really not impressed with some recent cases in BC anyway

Review ordered of assault sentences

Attorney-General Wally Oppal yesterday ordered a review of the aggravated-assault sentences given two young offenders who attacked 18-year-old Michael Levy and left him a quadriplegic.

"I think when a person walks out of a courtroom and laughs at the judge's decision that maybe the judge didn't get the message to the particular offender," Oppal told Global News. "And in those circumstances, I think the sentence deserves to be reviewed."

Oppal was reacting to news footage that showed Tuan Minh Nguyen, 18, and his friends entering an elevator after his 20-month conditional sentence and then an outburst of laughter being heard when the door closed.

"I'm ecstatic," Deborah Levy, Michael's mother, said of the review announcement. "What they got, I thought, was totally unjust. There was no justification whatsoever."

Mike Farnworth, the NDP's justice critic for public safety, also called for Crown counsel "to very seriously consider an appeal" of the sentencing by Judge Kenneth Ball in Surrey Provincial Court

"Family members and the public are understandably outraged at the sentence," said Farnworth. "This was a brutal, senseless crime that very nearly resulted in a death."

Levy was attacked by at least three teens during a dance at the Tynehead Community Hall in Surrey on Oct. 28, 2006. He was punched, pepper sprayed, hit over the head with a bottle and hit in the back of the head with an axe, severing his spinalcord.

Nguyen admitted punching Levy and Robert Alexander Green, 18, was given a three-year sentence to be served at the youth custody centre in Burnaby for hitting the teen with a bottle.

The third teen, who wielded the axe, will be sentenced Jan. 23.

"They're laughing at what they got," said Deborah Levy. "They're laughing at their sentence. That is a slap in the face to us. To Michael and I. Also to the judge."

"These guys are straight cowards," said Michael Levy. "You can't get any worse than that."

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/ne...c-0ca974664980
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i really don't know what the answer would be either - part of me thinks you break society's rules and laws you don't deserve to be part of society anymore and should be locked away forever or until rehabiliated if thats even possible
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That's just appalling. They should be in prison for life for damaging someone's spinal cord for no purpose what-so-ever.
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Welcome to BC.

So now you understand why petty crimes like break-ins are so common.
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That's just appalling. They should be in prison for life for damaging someone's spinal cord for no purpose what-so-ever.
these kids didn't swing the axe, sue they beat him and attacked him but they probably had no way of knowing what the third kid(yet to be sentenced by the way) was going to do. they should be charged for the crimes they committed and they have, that being assault. the third kid should be slapped with a attempted murder charge, that should give him 3-5 or so years behind bars, hopefully after he can get his act together and become a positive for society.
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