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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 11:11 PM
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No shot taken! SaskTel Centre in Saskatoon systematically sells more tickets to it's concerts than Winnipeg does so if either city needs to have the larger arena I guess it would be Saskatoon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonshine_Jungle_Tour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prismatic_World_Tour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose_World_Tour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tour_(Garth_Brooks)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul2Soul:_The_World_Tour

Saskatoon & Sask Rush owner, Bruce Urban, would never make the mistake of building an even smaller sized arena & then later have to shoehorn more seats in every nook & cranny, with obstructed views, just so it doesn't have smallest arena in the NHL like Bell MTS Centre did, it's just bad business sense.



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means you probably missed something you don't know about & are wrong



Saskatoon has a higher income per capita than Winnipeg and Saskatchewan has a larger GDP than Manitoba so Saskatoon would be a better bet for promoters of concerts based on disposable income alone. Maybe that's why some concerts go to Saskatchewan instead of Manitoba, example Thomas Rhett concert tour last year.
plus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroon_V_Tour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_Road_Tour



SaskTel Centre has more concerts than either London Ontario or Hamilton plus SaskTel Centre 100% of the time has more spectators per concert than the Budweiser arena etc. I looked at SaskTel Centre's FB page list of events coming up, outside of main tenants sporting events, they have just as many as Bell MTS in comparison.





I agree that Saskatoon should probably reno SaskTel Centre to it's full potential for the time being, add an additional couple thousand seats to it's current 16,000 configuration capacity by raising the roof and doubling it's concourse area. Lord knows SaskTel Centre has the room around building to do it, something that can't be said for Bell MTS in Winnipeg.

In a couple decades Saskatoon can revisit idea of building new building downtown with the new technologies that add to cost efficiencies to increasing the spectator experience, plus synergy of having hospitality & services downtown to benefit from having 18,000 people downtown after events.
If I were a big ticket act, I would rather go to Winnipeg over Saskatoon. Simply because it's has a larger population with more potential fans to purchase tickets. And I think we've been over this GDP nonsense, where Saskatoon is barely ahead of Winnipeg, so you can put that "no shot taken" phony statement to rest.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 11:55 PM
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Almost in response to the conversation the past few days, Saskatoon City Council has voted to go with the development of a new downtown arena over renovations to Sask Place.

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/loca...d-the-facility
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 12:06 AM
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^ Definitely the more fun option that will keep this thread humming along with news for the next several years, I'll give them that.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 12:16 AM
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^ Definitely the more fun option that will keep this thread humming along with news for the next several years, I'll give them that.
I think we're still probably a few years away from a solid hum. More like a trickle.

Unless I win the next Powerball. I'll fund the entire thing myself and name the arena the SkyscraperPage.com Forum.
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Saskatoon has a higher income per capita than Winnipeg and Saskatchewan has a larger GDP than Manitoba so Saskatoon would be a better bet for promoters of concerts based on disposable income alone. Maybe that's why some concerts go to Saskatchewan instead of Manitoba, example Thomas Rhett concert tour last year.
plus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroon_V_Tour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_Road_Tour
Why do so many big tours skip SK then?

Some of the shows I've been to in recent years include:

The Weeknd "Madness.."
Bruno Mars 24K Magic
Jay Z & Beyonce On The Run
Kanye West Saint Pablo

I don't recall any of those tours hitting Saskatoon. Maybe Sasktel was booked solid with lacrosse & Garth Brooks? Who knows
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How do you figure? The Saddledome does most definitely not meet modern day needs of tenants, ticket-holders, or performers. Many large concerts skip us because the roof is to weak.
I believe that's the point drew was making regarding concerts skipping the Saddledome.
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Saskatoon took the steps to overbuild Sask Place back in the day and now it does not want to leverage that initial decision to its maximum; quite silly. The worst part about Sask Place is it's location, the area itself is fine and can be completely remade with a renovation.

It would be silly not to jump on the reality of an overbuilt arena and simply just renovate it. I get the feeling economic boosters are trotting out cooked up data to try and make the case a brand new, much smaller arena, will shrink unemployment and give evreyone in Saskatoon a new boat.

Maybe for Saskatchewan, the trade off is that Regina gets the stadium and Saskatoon gets the arena...
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 1:37 AM
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Almost in response to the conversation the past few days, Saskatoon City Council has voted to go with the development of a new downtown arena over renovations to Sask Place.

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/loca...d-the-facility
Easy to vote for a plan with no funding.

Nobody wants to talk about how it gets paid for....
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 1:40 AM
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Easy to vote for a plan with no funding.

Nobody wants to talk about how it gets paid for....
I think it should be put to a public referendum and see how the residents of Saskatoon really feel about public funds for a new arena!
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 5:00 AM
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^ Definitely the more fun option that will keep this thread humming along with news for the next several years, I'll give them that.
Saskatoon has spoken!
guess we'll see a new same-size/larger arena in downtown Saskatoon in the coming decade anyway

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Why do so many big tours skip SK then?

Some of the shows I've been to in recent years include:

The Weeknd "Madness.."
Bruno Mars 24K Magic
Jay Z & Beyonce On The Run
Kanye West Saint Pablo

I don't recall any of those tours hitting Saskatoon. Maybe Sasktel was booked solid with lacrosse & Garth Brooks? Who knows
Not sure, maybe we'll have to ask Rhett, Levine, Diamond, Urban's Ripcord tour couple years ago and The Eagles from a few months ago why they included Saskatchewan in tour but not Manitoba.

The Weeknd tour was quite short, a dozen or so cities i think, for what was his sophomore album (?) Mars and Beyoncé had concert tours in Saskatoon a couple/few years earlier anyway, and wasn't Kanye West tour cancelled half way thru? ...can't image why

Median family income for CMAs in Canada show Saskatoon at $95,000/yr & Winnipeg is at $82,000/yr which may be another reason why Saskatoon gets larger audiences for same concerts that Winnipeg does actually get.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ties_in_Canada
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 3:13 PM
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^ Tell ya what, you keep your Thomas Rhett concerts, we'll keep our NHL and AHL teams as a consolation prize
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Stampeders feeling effects of Calgary Olympic plebiscite:

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/foo...4-6d6b57adbcea
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Although I believe the "Yes" side way overstated the benefits of the Olympics, I'm still disappointed int he results. Calgary really needed this to inject new life in its aging sports infrastructure.
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Riders have an indoor field house on one side of Mosaic Stadium & an outdoor practice field on other side.
Too bad about plebiscite but hopefully Calgary can still get something built.

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^ Tell ya what, you keep your Thomas Rhett concerts, we'll keep our NHL and AHL teams as a consolation prize
To each their own, I don't follow NHL or AHL but i'd take Thomas Rhett any day of the week, multiple times a day if I could .
he's definitely my type though
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Riders have an indoor field house on one side of Mosaic Stadium & an outdoor practice field on other side.
Too bad about plebiscite but hopefully Calgary can still get something built.



To each their own, I don't follow NHL or AHL but i'd take Thomas Rhett any day of the week, multiple times a day if I could .
he's definitely my type though
Yeah I guess to each their own. I would take the NHL multiple times a day over thomas Rhett. I don't even know who that is, never heard of him. But I've heard of the Weeknd, Beyonce and Jay Z, Kanye West and Bruno Mars. I also know the NHL is a major sports league and huge boon to a city.

I don't understand what the point is of comparing Saskatoon and Winnipeg? The cities are in two different tiers of market size

Maybe a more apt comparison is between Saskatoon and Regina?
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I don't understand what the point is of comparing Saskatoon and Winnipeg? The cities are in two different tiers of market size

Maybe a more apt comparison is between Saskatoon and Regina?
He's trying to prove Saskatoon is a better and more worthy city of a world-class event attracting facility than Winnipeg. He hasn't been very convincing so far.

Much like when he was portraying Maple Creek, SK as some sort of tropical paradise in Canada. But again, he wasn't too convincing in that department either.

Probably just a case of "hey guys, look at me! Over here!" happening there.

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All the talk of Sask Place made me want to take a look at the history of the building. It's had an interesting history. This is the only example I can find of the arena's interior in its original format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zhi0ZbNoCo

When it first opened, Sask Place sat under 8K. As far as I can tell it had no upper level, but appears to have been built with expansion in mind, which happened pretty quickly. The first expansion came in 1991 for the World Juniors, where they popped off the top of the building and added a horseshoe-shaped upper level, bringing the capacity to 11K (I distinctly remember capacity being 13K but online sources disagree with me). The upper level was then filled in when Saskatoon hosted the World Juniors for a second time in 2010, bringing capacity to its current 15K. It's currently the 10th largest arena in Canada currently in active use (Pacific Colosseum is larger, but does not have a main tenant ATM).

In terms of concourse space, there has never been any major upgrades to it as far as I know. The biggest addition was a partial upper-level concourse that was built around the same time as the second expansion, which provided much needed space, concessions, and bathrooms for a cramped facility.

For thirteen years, the largest crowd at the arena was 14K for a Garth Brooks concert in 1996, until the expansion allowed the 2010 World Juniors Final to top it. Mr. Brooks would reclaim his attendance record in 2016, but it was shortlived as Metallica took the crown earlier this year with 17K.

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It would be silly not to jump on the reality of an overbuilt arena and simply just renovate it. I get the feeling economic boosters are trotting out cooked up data to try and make the case a brand new, much smaller arena, will shrink unemployment and give evreyone in Saskatoon a new boat.
I haven't seen any hint that the plan is to build a new arena with a smaller capacity. The plan has always been 15K, and I imagine Urban's potential 20M contribution would be off the table if they wanted to build smaller given the Rush's ability to attract 14K+ crowds consistently. If anything, the plan is to build an arena that can be expanded further in the future.
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The original capacity had upper level seating on both sides and lower seating in the shape of a horse shoe. Capacity was 7,800. The "top" of the building has never been popped off and lifted. The first expansion took it to 11,330 capacity in 1990.

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/loca...ed-arena-dream
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The original capacity had upper level seating on both sides and lower seating in the shape of a horse shoe. Capacity was 7,800. The "top" of the building has never been popped off and lifted. The first expansion took it to 11,330 capacity in 1990.

https://thestarphoenix.com/news/loca...ed-arena-dream
Well my mistake, it was unclear whether or not the upper-level actually existed from the video. It would make sense there was limited upper-level seating since adding the entire horseshoe would probably have exceeded the 4K expansion.

I also forgot that the lower bowl was horseshoe shaped with temporary seats until recently. I miss the days of the hot tub at Blades games.
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Yeah I guess to each their own. I would take the NHL multiple times a day over thomas Rhett. I don't even know who that is, never heard of him. But I've heard of the Weeknd, Beyonce and Jay Z, Kanye West and Bruno Mars. I also know the NHL is a major sports league and huge boon to a city.

I don't understand what the point is of comparing Saskatoon and Winnipeg? The cities are in two different tiers of market size

Maybe a more apt comparison is between Saskatoon and Regina?
So far almost all the opposition on SSP for Saskatoon building a newer nicer arena than Bell MTS has been from Winnipeg. Forumers from there are quick to down play arena developments & posting unfactual info about SaskTel Centre's figures & capacity, making inaccurate comments comparing to other arenas in Canada. It doesn't really come as a surprise since Winnipegers were in opposition to a nicer Mosaic Stadium in Regina being built too. Maybe Manitoba SSP posters are jealous

I've seen Bruno Mars and Beyoncè & loved their concerts, but don't have any interest seeing The Weeknd or Kanye West. I did enjoy Macklemore and Ryan Lewis as far as hip hop artists go though. They only had a few tour dates in Canada when I saw them in Saskatoon, not Winnipeg though.

https://www.facebook.com/Macklemore/...3053232495268/

I do like a lot of the country artists that come to Saskatchewan though. From Blake Shelton to Dixie Chicks to Jason Aldean, If I were living in Winnipeg I would have missed these concert tours
(Maybe Blake and Adam talked on The Voice about how they like playing concerts in Saskatoon but not Winnipeg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Night_Train_Tour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCX_MMXVI_World_Tour

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Times_Crazier_Tour

But since I lived in Saskatchewan at that time I was able to see them all Thomas Rhett is like the icing on the cake though

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I haven't seen any hint that the plan is to build a new arena with a smaller capacity. The plan has always been 15K, and I imagine Urban's potential 20M contribution would be off the table if they wanted to build smaller given the Rush's ability to attract 14K+ crowds consistently. [B]If anything, the plan is to build an arena that can be expanded further in the future.
City of Saskatoon has as much as already said that the new arena is going to be at least same size plus have twice as many luxury boxes as SaskTel Centre.
Bruce Urban, Rush Owner, would never pay $20 million toward new arena to sell less tickets


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