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Old Posted Sep 4, 2008, 8:36 PM
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/\ and that is why they are prioritizing it's expansion with over 3 billion in planning and construction right now, and probably another 1.5 for the west line, and similar for the SE line...

There is a ton of info on ridership stats via the city of Edmonton's website under the transportation section that goes back to the very beginning.
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Guelph and the GTA have sustained huge losses of manufacturing jobs as well. They are in just as dire of straights as we are.

True that there are substantial numbers of people who commute from our region to the aforementioned places (hence the GO-train), but the overwhelming majority still commute internally.

In conclusion, I don't see how your statement holds much relevance.



You're dead right about that. However, Edmonton built its LRT when it was around 500,000 people. I'm not sure how well it did in the beginning, but they sure as hell need it now.
Started to write an essay here but I realized its not worth it.

Time will tell who was wrong ,and who was right.
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I agree with WaterlooInvestor, with the exception of Vancouver and Montreal (I believe), every other of the "Big 6" cities started implementing some form of rapid transit when they were around a population of half a million.
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GO will need provincial thumbs-up

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By Ray Martin
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Sep 12, 2008



Getting the GO train to Cambridge is going to take a lot more than goodwill and a sound business plan before the proposition will even be considered.

A top Waterloo Region official says it will take an act of parliament and a big chunk of change from local government.

Graham Vincent, the region's director of transportation planning, told members of Cambridge's economic development advisory committee (EDAC) Wednesday that GO Transit can't come here without first getting permission from the provincial legislature to expand beyond the GTA. And then it will be up to Waterloo Region and Cambridge to cover as much as a third of the capital cost to get the service started.

Vincent told the advisory committee that's exactly what the City of Barrie is doing to have GO Transit extended there.

"It only makes sense that they'd do the same thing here," he said.

Before any expansion of the GO train system takes place, GO Transit has to address problems it has accommodating riders within the GTA. He noted that a track upgrade is needed from Union Station to Milton so that more trains can be added. Currently, the Milton trains are operating at 140 per cent of capacity and no more trains can be added.

Meanwhile, Waterloo Region officials are looking at two alternatives to bringing GO trains into Waterloo Region. The first option is to use the VIA Rail connection through Guelph and Georgetown to Milton, while the second option is to use the CNR line connecting Milton to Cambridge.

Vincent admitted the VIA Rail connection would do little to serve people in Cambridge.

As for GO bus service, Vincent said the region has been told that service could be implemented within the next year.

Craig Bailey, a member of EDAC's GO Transit subcommittee believes immediate action is needed.

"The city should be setting aside money now for a GO station and talk with GO, that way we'll be ahead of the competition," he said.

Vincent believes that GO bus service to the region will meet with only limited success because of growing traffic volumes on Highway 401. Without dedicated lanes the GO buses would face the same traffic delays as all other traffic heading to Toronto.

Dedicated bus lanes will be a big part of Waterloo Region's proposed rapid transit plans, Vincent explained. The region will soon make a decision on whether it will be going with a rail or bus system for its new rapid transit system. While that decision will be made before the end of the year, the region is also looking at its long-range transit needs and is developing a master plan to meet those needs to the year 2031.

After further discussion, members of EDAC have decided to investigate what it would take to have dedicated high occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes instituted on Highway 401 in Waterloo Region. HOV lanes in the United States and cities like Toronto and Ottawa have helped reduce commuter traffic by making bus travel a faster, more reliable alternative.
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Im all for HOV lanes, but on the 401 JUST in Waterloo Region??
Without extending them further would there be much of a benefit?
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Im all for HOV lanes, but on the 401 JUST in Waterloo Region??
Without extending them further would there be much of a benefit?
It's not a really long stretch of 401 to have HOV lanes on, but traffic really peaks on the 401 between highway 8 and Franklin Blvd at rush hour. As you go east, around Townline and east all the way to Milton, traffic is much lighter (although still busy) and you don't really get held up in gridlock unless there's an accident or construction. I think the idea of having HOV lanes in Waterloo Region is to give public transit a right of way when it comes to busses linking Kitchener and Cambridge. However, I do agree with you that it would be nice if we eventually had HOV lanes going into the GTA. Reason being that it would make GO busses more attractive for people who do commute there. Right now it's pointless since the busses get caught in all the same traffic.
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Would the province be ok with this happening on a provincial road since it's so region specific?
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Would the province be ok with this happening on a provincial road since it's so region specific?
I'm not sure what the answer to that would be. Although rumour has it that the province wants to expand the 401 to 10 lanes (5 each side) between Hespeler Road and highway 8 anyways. It would make sense to dedicate one lane on each side to an HOV lane with transit priority.
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I'm not sure what the answer to that would be. Although rumour has it that the province wants to expand the 401 to 10 lanes (5 each side) between Hespeler Road and highway 8 anyways. It would make sense to dedicate one lane on each side to an HOV lane with transit priority.
If that were the case, expansion better include a HOV lane.
Any idea when that was supposed to happen, if it did?
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If that were the case, expansion better include a HOV lane.
Any idea when that was supposed to happen, if it did?
I have no clue when, but here's a Record article talking about improvements to the 401/highway 8 area.

http://news.therecord.com/article/302680

And here's a quote from it:

"Plans to widen Highway 401 to 10 lanes through are already well advanced"
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Here is an ad for a Public Information Centre for a preliminary design study and class environmental assessment for an extension of the Go TRAIN to possibly Baden in Today's Record:


PUBLIC INFORMATION CENTRES
GEORGETOWN TO KITCHENER RAIL EXPANSION


THE STUDY
GO Transit, the Province of Ontario’s inter-regional public transit service for
the Greater Toronto and Hamilton areas, is undertaking a Preliminary Design
Study and Class Environmental Assessment to expand rail services from
Georgetown to Kitchener. The Study will identify passenger demand for the
extended service, track improvements, stations and storage facilities, park
and ride facilities and integration with local transit. The study area is from
the Mount Pleasant GO Station in west Brampton to the Kitchener/Waterloo
Region, as shown in the map below.



THE PROCESS
The project will follow the planning process for a Group “B” project under
GO Transit’s Class Environmental Assessment Document (2005).
Your participation is an important part of the process and we welcome
your input. You are invited to attend one of the Public Information Centres
listed below.

DATE: Tuesday, September 23, 2008
TIME: 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
LOCATION: Italian Canadian Club
135 Ferguson Street
Guelph, ON

DATE: Thursday, September 25, 2008
TIME: 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
LOCATION: St. Andrew’s Presbyterian Church
54 Queen Street North
Kitchener, ON

DATE: Wednesday, October 1, 2008
TIME: 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
LOCATION: Halton Hills Cultural Centre
9 Church Street
Halton Hills, ON


COMMENTS
For further information, or to be added to the mailing list, please contact:

Mr. Leonard Rach,
Project Manager
R. J. Burnside & Associates
15 Townline
Orangeville, ON L9W 3R4
Tel.: 1-800-265-9662, ext. 302
Fax: 519-941-8120
E-mail: leonard.rach@rjburnside.com

Mr. Bruce Sevier
Senior Project Officer
GO Transit
20 Bay Street, Suite 600
Toronto, ON M5J 2W3
Tel.: 416-869-3600, ext. 5213
Fax: 416-869-9011
E-mail: Bruce.Sevier@gotransit.com
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To Baden? Wow, that would change some things.
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Onto London in the next 30 years? Thats good to see GO is planning ahead. Now just fix the "train station" in downtown Kitchener.
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To Baden? Wow, that would change some things.
My understanding is that track and signalling improvements would be required on the line out to Baden to accomodate service to Kitchener. The trains themselves would not go as far as Baden.
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Onto London in the next 30 years? Thats good to see GO is planning ahead. Now just fix the "train station" in downtown Kitchener.
There's a perfect location right on king at the train tracks that's for sale right now
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Is anyone going to the Kitchener meeting?
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Is anyone going to the Kitchener meeting?
I'm going to try to make it, assuming I can get someone to cover an hour or two of my shift.
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The 2006 commuting stats came out on Statscan the other day.

I will look at the cities of Waterloo, Kitchener, and Cambridge and see how much commuting has increased/decreased to the cities of Toronto, Mississauga, and Milton from 2001-2006. This should give us an idea of how urgent the need for better connections to the GTA is.

Waterloo

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/cens...35&GID=3530016

Toronto

2001: 505

2006: 520

+3%

Mississauga

2001: 375

2006: 360

-4%

Milton

2001: 45

2006: 60

+33%

Kitchener

Toronto

2001: 1050

2006: 960

-9.4%

Mississauga

2001: 1130

2006: 1030

-9.7%

Milton

2001: 255

2006: 330

+29%

Cambridge

Toronto

2001: 1260

2006: 1230

-2.4%

Mississauga

2001: 1900

2006: 1930

+1.6%

Milton

2001: 590

2006: 780

+39%

With the exception of the large commuting increases to Milton, it appears that commuting from Waterloo Region to the other major destinations in the GTA has flatlined or even declined in some cases. And thus, LRT is a bigger priority than GO transit. Of course, I still wouldn't want it to "derail" the idea of a GO-train, so to speak .

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I'm curious about those numbers... It has a total of about 40,000 people who live in Waterloo working... Is this accurate? I mean, 110,000 residents... minus ~30k students... means 1/2 people are working? Is this normal percentages based on stay-at-home parents and children?
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