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I would really love to see a suspension bridge, you know something grandiose. It is the busiest bridge in Canada and of great national importance.

I drew a sketch of what I would like it to look like as a suspension bridge with the skyline in the background.

Hey that's pretty cool. I'd love to have a brash and bombastic bridge. We have timid bridges here.
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I honestly don't care about the bridge's architecture or appearance.

Far more important is its function.

It needs to have 2 dedicated transit lines minimum (ideally 4), a pedestrian and bike path, and an absolute maximum of 6 car lanes.
I don'nt give a rats ass either as long as I can get across safely.
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I honestly don't care about the bridge's architecture or appearance.

Far more important is its function.

It needs to have 2 dedicated transit lines minimum (ideally 4), a pedestrian and bike path, and an absolute maximum of 6 car lanes.
C'est sûr que la fonction est plus importante, personne ne dit le contraire, mais ce n'est pas une raison pour négliger obligatoirement tout le reste.

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Champlain: Québec veut une structure à deux niveaux

L'option privilégiée par Québec avec une voie ouverte entre les voies ferrées et les voies des bus.
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Selon cette étude, qui propose six configurations différentes pour intégrer le SLR au nouveau pont, «une configuration à deux niveaux, comportant un tablier supérieur destiné à la circulation autoroutière et un tablier inférieur accueillant un corridor ferroviaire et deux voies adjacentes réservées est la seule à répondre à la vision exprimée» par Québec.

L'étude réalisée en seulement cinq semaines par une firme spécialisée de renommée internationale, Hatch Mott MacDonald, conclut que ce nouveau pont à deux niveaux coûterait environ 1,4 milliard de dollars. Ce coût inclut uniquement la construction, l'entretien et l'exploitation de l'ouvrage sur une période de 35 ans et ne comprend ni les voies ferrées, ni l'équipement roulant du SLR - pas plus que les coûts environnementaux, d'ingénierie et de surveillance -, ni les coûts de réaménagement des accès routiers de chaque côté du pont.

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Transports Canada, responsable de la construction du nouveau pont, n'a pas voulu faire de commentaire, hier, sur les demandes de Québec pour un pont à deux niveaux. Une porte-parole a toutefois fait savoir que «13 différentes options de configuration pour le nouveau pont» sont présentement à l'étude et qu'«un pont à deux niveaux avec le transport collectif au niveau inférieur et les voitures au niveau supérieur fait partie de ces options».

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I think this proposal is perfect. Just make sure it is built properly this time. I don't really give a damn about how it looks. Tourists don't visit Brossard, Nuns' Island or Verdun anyway.

If there is already a tunnel under the bridge deck, why not make it a new Metro line? Doesn't seem like it would cost that much more. Link it to Terminus Panama in Brossard on the one side and Lionel-Groulx on the other (with a stop on Nuns' Island) giving them access to the Orange and Green lines. I'm sure that this would decrease vehicular traffic and bus traffic by quite a bit.
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Ottawa to replace Champlain Bridge sooner than planned
‘It’s safe,’ Federal Transport Minister Denis Lebel says of span, though no new target date specified for replacement

By Andy Riga, GAZETTE TRANSPORTATION REPORTER
November 15, 2013 12:00 PM

MONTREAL – The federal minister responsible for the Champlain Bridge says the structure is safe but Ottawa will replace it sooner than originally expected.

Infrastructure Minister Denis Lebel was speaking to reporters on Friday morning in advance of a meeting about how to relieve traffic and transit difficulties caused by the sudden emergency month-long closure of a southbound lane on Tuesday.

“If there’s any danger we will close the bridge,” Lebel said. “When the bridge is open, that’s because it’s safe.”

He noted the federally-owned Champlain is the most closely monitored bridge in Canada thanks to inspections and sensors on the bridge.

Construction of the new bridge – to cost between $3 billion and $5 billion – will be accellerated, Lebel said.

Ottawa had previously said the new bridge would open in 2021. A new target date was not announced.

Marc Brazeau of Transport Canada said “an accellerated schedule for the project” will be ready within weeks and will be sent to the federal government. After it has been reviewed, it will be made public, Brazeau said.

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Hey that's pretty cool. I'd love to have a brash and bombastic bridge. We have timid bridges here.
I find Jacques-Cartier to be a totally bad-ass bridge. One of the best in the country, in fact.
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The bridge situation might bear resemblance to the past, but one thing that has seriously changed is Peter Anthony Holder!!

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Nouveau pont Champlain: à haubans et en béton

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Un nouveau pas a été franchi hier vers le remplacement du pont Champlain par un ouvrage qui sera lui aussi en béton, mais dont le coût demeure secret. Tout au plus le gouvernement fédéral a-t-il présenté les contours du projet qui sera réalisé en partenariat public-privé. Cela implique l'imposition d'un péage dont Ottawa ignore l'impact sur les autres infrastructures en place. L'onde de choc n'a pas tardé.

Le gouvernement fédéral choisit encore une fois le béton comme matériau de construction du nouveau pont enjambant le Saint-Laurent, malgré l'expérience du pont Champlain dont la structure de béton s'effrite en accéléré.

Il s'agit de l'option privilégiée par Ottawa au terme d'une analyse effectuée dans le cadre du dossier d'affaires favorisant le mode de réalisation en partenariat public-privé (PPP). Ainsi, selon les caractéristiques établies, le concessionnaire privé qui décrochera le contrat de PPP devra construire les piliers du pont en béton tout comme les trois tabliers juxtaposés qui constituent les voies sur lesquelles circuleront les véhicules.

Outre le choix du béton plutôt que l'acier, le pont sera à haubans, ce qui signifie qu'il sera suspendu par des câbles accrochés à des pylônes, pour ce qui est de la portion au-dessus de la Voie maritime. Le pont Olivier-Charbonneau, communément appelé le pont de l'A25, est un exemple québécois de pont haubané. De façon plus spectaculaire, le viaduc de Millau, en France, est également un pont à haubans.

Pour ce qui est de la configuration du futur ouvrage, Ottawa rejette l'idée avancée par le gouvernement du Québec de le construire à deux niveaux afin de séparer le transport en commun des six voies de circulation et de la piste multifonctionnelle. De la même manière, le fédéral maintient sa position quant au financement du transport en commun sur le pont (train léger sur rail, par exemple), que devra assumer Québec.

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Ottawa's plans for a toll on Champlain Bridge draws criticism in Quebec
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It’s a massive infrastructure project that everyone agrees must be done, but nobody wants to own.

As work proceeded over the weekend to repair the costly, crumbling Champlain Bridge in Montreal – a vital commercial and commuter link – the politically radioactive issue of tolls to pay the replacement bill is expected to figure prominently in Quebec leading into the next federal election in 2015.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has floated the idea of transfering ownership of the St. Lawrence span to provincial authorities if they want to avoid unpopular tolls.

There are massive dollars involved. Replacing Champlain Bridge, which decayed prematurely, stands to cost Canadians up to $5-billion. The Conservatives are insisting tolls are necessary to ensure Canadian taxpayers don’t foot the entire bill for the “local” bridge, scheduled to be built by 2018.

The plan has been panned by almost all other politicians in Quebec, where the thought of putting tolls on the biggest bridge in Montreal – but not on the dozen of other entry points – is seen as poor transit planning.

The strategy is also putting pressure on the federal NDP and the Liberal parties, which oppose the Conservative plan, to come up with distinct proposals to pay for the new bridge. Voters in the Montreal area are likely to be swayed by the pocket-book issue of tolls, and there are fears that commuters will clog other bridges in the area if Champlain is the only one with tolls.

The federal authority that runs Champlain, Jacques Cartier and Champlain Bridges Inc. had to conduct an emergency installation of a so-called “super beam” last fall, to prevent a cracked concrete support from failing completely. This weekend, crews worked on a new truss in a $1.5-million job to remove the super beam, and save it for the next crisis. Lanes of the bridge were closed all weekend, but it remained partly open.

Progress was slowed by high winds, and work is expected to continue next weekend.

La Presse released a letter last week in which Mr. Harper told the Quebec government he was open to “confidential” discussions to turn over strategic infrastructure over the St. Lawrence Seaway. Ottawa is not only looking to unload Champlain Bridge, but also the nearby Jacques-Cartier Bridge and the portion of the Honoré-Mercier Bridge it controls.

But last month in the House, Mr. Harper said he would not budge on tolls.

“The government is building a new major local bridge in the city of Montreal. We are not doing this in any other part of the country. The only basis on which we can do that is with financial participation by the local people. That means if there is not a toll, there will not be a bridge,” Mr. Harper said.

The cash-strapped Quebec government opposes Ottawa’s plans to impose tolls on Champlain Bridge, and it is refusing to engage in long-term talks over the ownership. “This is not a priority,” Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard said last week. “The issue on the table at this point is focusing on meeting deadlines to repair and upgrade the bridge.”

Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre argues that tolls don’t make sense on a replacement bridge, but he has all but given up on changing Mr. Harper’s mind. “There will be a [federal] election in the meantime,” Mr. Coderre told reporters earlier this month.

Mr. Coderre has noted 82 municipalities, the truckers’ associations and several Quebec boards of trade have joined the Quebec government in opposing tolls.

The NDP has slammed Ottawa’s stance, with Leader Thomas Mulcair comparing Mr. Harper with a “used-car salesman” for planning to download the Champlain Bridge.

The NDP is refusing to endorse Ottawa’s proposal for tolls, stating that a comprehensive regional plan is needed before a decision is made. The federal Liberals are also stating that there needs to be a full plan for the new bridge before deciding on tolls.
The trend of tolling major infrastructure projects is still expanding. I thought this would be relevant and interesting given that few have reason to be happy about tolls proliferating locally, and this is a different side of that. How far is too far, when is too fair being too cheap?

I also wonder if Vancouver Island might form its own province separate from the mainland just in order to better access federal funding for transportation.
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I don't think that this really belongs in the Vancouver section.
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Yeah, if anything this could be a national topic in the Canada section.


In my opinion, if the Port Mann is tolled, the new Champlain should DEFINITELY be tolled. At least the port Mann is on the TransCanada. The Champlain is like the definition of a local major bridge.
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All new bridges should be tolled.
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Don't see how this is relevant to Vancouver other than a "welcome to the toll club." Statement about Vancouver Island is also meaningless as becoming a Province doesn't mean it would get more access to any money anywhere. That's just silly.
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I'd be against tolling it, except that it WAS tolled until 1990. It was how the federal government originally financed the bridge, they only got rid of it in 1990 because the bridge was paid off. Same way the Jacques Cartier was financed. Bringing back the historic financing tool to build the Champlain again this time does seem fair considering that context. That said, the Feds do own the bridge, did cheap out and choose an incredibly bad design because it was cheaper, ignored the warning signs, and didn't maintain it properly for years until it way past the point of no return, so Quebec has legitimate claim to some Federal money to help clean up a mess of Federal making, but I think Harper's position is reasonable. I say this as a native Montrealer who really wants the bridge built and who isn't a Tory generally.
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Des détails sur l'architecture du nouveau pont Champlain dévoilés


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