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Old Posted Oct 23, 2010, 11:34 PM
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This link was posted in the old election thread. A really good read.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1769719/


I liked this blurb at the end of the article describing the mood after the election.

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In the days to follow, I kept hearing people say the city felt different to them, more complete somehow. I knew what they meant. It wasn’t because we agreed with everything Naheed Nenshi said or believed his vision would be reality overnight; it was because – for some of us, maybe for the first time – we felt fully included in the conversation.
It felt the same thing. I think Calgary elevated itself up a notch wit this win, it's almost a similar feeling I had after Calgary hosted the Olympics.
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Looks like the new mayor is a supporter of the Bow River Flow.

From Nenshi's flckr account
Good this Joe Connelly didn't find this before the election. The scandal of it all certainly would have tipped the polls in his favour.
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This link was posted in the old election thread. A really good read.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1769719/


I liked this blurb at the end of the article describing the mood after the election.



It felt the same thing. I think Calgary elevated itself up a notch wit this win, it's almost a similar feeling I had after Calgary hosted the Olympics.
That really is the best article I've read with respect to Calgary's "purple revolution". I encourage everyone to read it.
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I agree with tmjr, whatever honeymoon/goodwill Nenshi has now will be used up and put into the red if he doesn't revoke that fee that was a big part of his campaigning, and could damage his credibility enough that he will be unable to use any popularity of his to sway council to vote for any other of his ideas. He'll end up weaker than Obama, but only a day or two into his mandate.
That is rather cynical. In the 2001 election campaign Bronconier directly promised 6 new interchanges would be built. 3 remain unbuilt to this day, and one (37th St and Glenmore) is somewhat done. Did these broken promises hurt him at all? No. The park and ride fee is small potatoes compared to lets say the airport tunnel, which has reasonably high public awareness, costs a bit of change, and the incumbent alderman approved not building it. The tunnel is the only real test in the first year.

I think also that despite the experience being a decade and a half ago, Nenshi's student's union experience will really help - it is basically an elected council sand box. I am surprised no one dug up his presidential reviews from back then from the U of C newspaper actually.
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The quote from Nenshi was something along the lines of that he wasn't sure if they would be able to remove the fees this year. As in, with a budget shortfall, it might not be feasible in this budget. Certainly not even close to breaking his promise yet.
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I'm thinking that if Nenshi/council cuts the PNR cost from $3 to $1 that would appease most people.
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At that price the administrative costs might approach the fee. And didn't the fee originally come about to help offset additional security costs?
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I am so fucking sick of reading commenters in the newspapers insisting that NN is really, actually, "conservative." Being fiscally restrained and hating waste is one aspect of conservatism, but taking part in Bow River Flow and marching in the Gay Pride parade sure as hell are not. Neither are Plan It, Imagine Calgary, encouraging that socialist curse known as mixed-INCOME (and not only mixed-use) communities. Nenshi might be fiscally prudent but he is in no way shape or form "conservative" unless that term is defined ridiculously narrowly. Hell, Hawksworth's opposition to the tunnel was totally based on cost concerns, so I guess he's "conservative" too.
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I think Nenshi is just further proof that these one-dimensional labels are in fact idiotic and meaningless.
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I think Nenshi is just further proof that these one-dimensional labels are in fact idiotic and meaningless.
Exactly!

For many, trying to place someone on the political spectrum has become futile and rather idiotic.
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That is rather cynical. In the 2001 election campaign Bronconier directly promised 6 new interchanges would be built. 3 remain unbuilt to this day, and one (37th St and Glenmore) is somewhat done. Did these broken promises hurt him at all? No. The park and ride fee is small potatoes compared to lets say the airport tunnel, which has reasonably high public awareness, costs a bit of change, and the incumbent alderman approved not building it. The tunnel is the only real test in the first year.

I think also that despite the experience being a decade and a half ago, Nenshi's student's union experience will really help - it is basically an elected council sand box. I am surprised no one dug up his presidential reviews from back then from the U of C newspaper actually.
I agree it's rather cynical, but cancelling a fee that didn't exist recently is different than constructing an interchange. I may be wrong but cancelling it and not being able to budge the tax increase much might still be better politically than keeping it and only being able to drop the increase a little bit more.

Also a better comparison to Bronconniers broken interchange promise would be if he was openly musing to the press that actually maybe he can't get these built just days after being elected before even being sworn in vs not accomplishing it before his term was up.
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Plus, you can't build an interchange for $3 million. It's a lot easier to justify going back on a promise when it costs in the tens of millions.
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Pfft, the international media hasn't noticed. I don't know why you hacked CNN's website to post lies.
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Anyone else attending the swearing in ceremony tonight?
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I wish I could attend. It will be a great moment for our fine city.
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I am so fucking sick of reading commenters in the newspapers insisting that NN is really, actually, "conservative." Being fiscally restrained and hating waste is one aspect of conservatism, but taking part in Bow River Flow and marching in the Gay Pride parade sure as hell are not. Neither are Plan It, Imagine Calgary, encouraging that socialist curse known as mixed-INCOME (and not only mixed-use) communities. Nenshi might be fiscally prudent but he is in no way shape or form "conservative" unless that term is defined ridiculously narrowly. Hell, Hawksworth's opposition to the tunnel was totally based on cost concerns, so I guess he's "conservative" too.
Yeah, I didn't really buy into Ric McIver's argument that he split the conservative vote. There were so many issues that Ric and Barb had different points of view on (Ric being anti-PlanIt versus Barb being supportive of PlanIt). Barb had also gained support from previous NDP MLA Bob Hawkesworth. Ric had called himself a "common-sense conservative, whereas Barb was a "fiscal conservative with a social heart." I think Ric and Barb had different brands of conservatism as well as campaign policies and strategies, so to say that the vote was split I think is a bit too simplistic.

One of the things I really liked about Nenshi is he makes an honest attempt to understand the issues and thinks about outcomes and formulates a plan based on that rather than thinking in terms of left or right politics.
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Anyone else attending the swearing in ceremony tonight?
I was thinking about it. But I am not feeling so great today, so I might take a rain check.
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Yeah, I didn't really buy into Ric McIver's argument that he split the conservative vote. There were so many issues that Ric and Barb had different points of view on (Ric being anti-PlanIt versus Barb being supportive of PlanIt). Barb had also gained support from previous NDP MLA Bob Hawkesworth. Ric had called himself a "common-sense conservative, whereas Barb was a "fiscal conservative with a social heart." I think Ric and Barb had different brands of conservatism as well as campaign policies and strategies, so to say that the vote was split I think is a bit too simplistic.

One of the things I really liked about Nenshi is he makes an honest attempt to understand the issues and thinks about outcomes and formulates a plan based on that rather than thinking in terms of left or right politics.
It seemed that most of the movement at the end of the campaign, beyond undecideds settling, was from Higgins to Nenshi. The any one but McIver vote shifted pretty hard when Higgins ran into some problems and Nenshi looked like he could actually win. McIver's support stayed incredibly stable during the entire campaign. I know some of his supporters were wondering why he did not move against Nenshi during the campaign but I have a feeling that was by design. They needed Nenshi to become just viable enough to drop Higgins' support below their's. They just did not count on that momentum then carrying Nenshi so far. If they had actually moved hard against Nenshi it would either work, allowing Higgins to remain the front runner, or legitimized Nenshi to thoroughly, turning him into the any one but McIver candidate.

What a lot of the commentariat did not seem to grasp was that this was not McIver's election to lose. He appealed, very strongly, to a certain segment of the population that, while loud, does not represent a majority of the city. A lot of people may have disagreed with the Peace Bridge but they very much agreed with the general direction that the city was moving in and was for the city building infrastructure; a lot of people may have been mad at council but they were mad at aldermen other than their own and the polarized atmosphere that McIver was at least as responsible for as Bronconnier. For McIver to have won he would have needed a much more fractured playing field. Something like Higgins, Nenshi, and Hawkesworth all splitting the other two thirds of the vote. It did not happen.

The real race was for the two thirds of the vote that went to Nenshi and Higgins. They both shared two important strengths. First, they were both representative of the way the city was moving. They were both pro-Plan It, generally supportive of what Bronconnier had been pushing for regarding transit expansion and such, and tied to a youthful, dynamic image of a city that wants culture. Secondly, they were both free from the baggage of some of the bitter fights that marked the last council session. What made the difference was Nenshi's ideas and attitudes. He was the better candidate and he ran the better campaign. It just took a little luck to get him into a decent position and he was able to capitalize on those strengths, placing him in the mayor's chair today.
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