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Old Posted Mar 1, 2014, 2:09 PM
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I assume by Altavista they mean the med school facilities on Smyth next to the general hospital.
Not entirely .The med school building and the uOttawa Rehabilitation Center are buildings on the Guindon Campus integrated with the hospital complex.

The AltaVista Campus is east of the hospital complex on Peter Morand Cr.

Years ago the City designated that area as The Ottawa Life Sciences Technology Park . It was a failed venture and uOttawa subsequently acquired the Park.

There are two small buildings on the site that are used for Biosciences Research Labs. There are still ten or more acres of land ( I am not sure of the exact size) that the university can develop.

You could consider The University of Ottawa Heart Institute a satellite campus, as both teaching and research in a number of medical related fields takes place there. It is about to get an addition to the existing building.
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Having spent 8 years of my life at the U of O,
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I assume by Altavista they mean the med school facilities on Smyth next to the general hospital.
They own the building between the two hospitals as well as a couple more on Peter Morand Crescent east of the general.
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8 years ? WOW, were you a professional student ?
Undergrad was 4.5 years as it had co-op. Grad School was the rest. Last few years were technically part time, but none the less, yes, it was time to move on!
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Rejected by Council 14-9 after speech from Mayor Watson about sending message to developers and that this was not compatible with streetscape/affordable housing.
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Rejected by Council 14-9 after speech from Mayor Watson about sending message to developers and that this was not compatible with streetscape/affordable housing.
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Rejected by Council 14-9 after speech from Mayor Watson about sending message to developers and that this was not compatible with streetscape/affordable housing.
Um... what? Why was this incompatible with streetscrape and affordable housing? What was wrong with this project? What are we going to do for students?
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Um... what? Why was this incompatible with streetscrape and affordable housing? What was wrong with this project? What are we going to do for students?
Hmm...what year are we in and what is happening on October 27?

I wish the City luck in this as their track record hiring outside consultants on files that the Planning Department recommend for approval and City Council turn down is pretty dismal.

ASH will be happy about this.
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Hmm...what year are we in and what is happening on October 27?
What's happening on the 27th? That date sounds familiar but I forget... That's not when the city plans to start excavation for Arts Court, is it?
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Ah, if there was any doubt that Watson wasn't first and foremost a politician who looks after his own interests (namely, re-election) first, this should dispel that theory.

Much like Fleury's steadfast slamming of this project, there are jobs to be kept, and Sandy Hill votes to be gotten!
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Likely to go to the OMB --what developement in Ottawa doesn't?


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By Jon Willing ,Ottawa Sun
First posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 01:06 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 02:17 PM EDT
A concept proposed by developer Viner Assets for a new student residence mixed-use building on Laurier Ave. near the University of Ottawa.

Council rejected a proposal for a privately run student residence near the University of Ottawa on Wednesday, with Mayor Jim Watson criticizing the project for not fitting in with the established neighbourhood.

“We would be wise to send a message that this is an important heritage community that’s under a lot of stress,” Watson said before the 14-9 vote against the plan.

Viner Assets wants to construct a nine-storey, 180-unit, E-shaped building at Laurier Ave. E and Friel St. The plan calls for a mix of studio and two-bedroom apartments.

The company can appeal council’s decision to the Ontario Municipal Board.

In a city report on the project, staff warn that rejecting the proposal could result in a five-day OMB appeal hearing and require hiring an external planner at a cost of $25,000 to $30,000.

Some residents of Sandy Hill have opposed the development, fearing that it will create a student ghetto in the middle of the established neighbourhood.
CBC just reported that Viner Assets will appeal to the OMB.
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I think its election day??? Not sure.

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What's happening on the 27th? That date sounds familiar but I forget... That's not when the city plans to start excavation for Arts Court, is it?
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I think its election day??? Not sure.
Wow, I'm surprised I didn't know that.
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Passed Motion To: Be It Resolve That the Planning Committee endorse the following as the reasons for the refusal of the rezoning request for 400 Friel and related properties; 1. The proposed built form is not compatible with the prevailing building form of the area, both from a perspective of height and from a perspective of the heritage attributes of the area 2. The proposed use is too intensive for the area 3. Based upon the proximity to the transit station growth can be accomodated in other locations in the city.

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this was another motion passed at the meeting (before the final vote failed)....I really want to see this being debated at the OMB

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Passed Motion To: WHEREAS Report ACS2014-PAI-PGM-0058 recommends approval and adoption of an amendment to the Sandy Hill Secondary Plan and related Zoning By-law Amendment; THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that Council approve: 1. That Document 3 be amended as follows: a) That wherever the proposed zone code “GM[XXXX] F(3.9) S(XXX)” appears it be replaced with “GM[XXXX] F(3.9) S(XXX)-h” b) That the following be added to 2. b a - a holding symbol can only be removed at such time as a site plan control agreement incorporating the following requirements is signed by the land owner: i. that a staff member is on-site and responsible for the site including students and property issues 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, ii. any outdoor terraces and patios must not allow any amplified noise and must close by 11:00pm

2. That Recommendation 2 be amended as follows: a) An amendment to Zoning By-law 2008-250 to change the zoning at 261 to 281 Laurier Avenue East and 400 Friel Street from Residential Fourth Density, Subzone T, Exception 480 (R4T [480]) zone to a new General Mixed-use, Exception XXXX F.S.I. (3.9), Schedule XXX, holding zone (GM[XXXX] F(3.9) S(XXX)-h) to permit a mid-rise mixed-use nine-storey development, as shown in Document 1 and detailed in Document 3. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT pursuant to the Planning Act, subsection 34(17) no further notice be given.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2014, 2:16 AM
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Ottawa city council rejects proposed nine-storey building for Sandy Hill

By Matthew Pearson, OTTAWA CITIZEN March 26, 2014 8:47 PM


OTTAWA — City council shocked developers and residents alike on Wednesday when it overturned a plan to build a nine-storey, privately owned student residence in Sandy Hill, with Mayor Jim Watson taking a hard line against the proposal.

The planning committee had approved the proposed mixed-use building at Laurier Avenue East and Friel Street at a Feb. 26 meeting, despite vocal opposition from some Sandy Hill residents and Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury.

The 180-unit complex east of the University of Ottawa, proposed by developer Viner Assets, would have housed an estimated 630 students, replacing six existing buildings that the company says are almost wholly rented to students.

The proposal required rezoning approval from the city and an amendment to the Sandy Hill Secondary Plan to allow for the additional height. The secondary plan calls for buildings limited to four storeys, but the developer argued that the 20-year-old document does not meet new intensification policies that encourage development near transit.

Despite that, the mayor said the proposed building wasn’t compatible with Sandy Hill’s status as a heritage district and failed to address the area’s student housing shortage by providing affordable units.

“I just didn’t feel comfortable with the proposal that was before us, and I think you saw a number of members of council felt the same way,” Watson said.

He was among the 14 who voted against the plan. Nine councillors supported it, almost entirely from councillors who sit on the planning committee. College Coun. Rick Chiarelli dissented at committee and was on the no side again Wednesday.

Fleury, who lobbied planning committee members and his council colleagues to defeat the proposal, tried to emphasize that it was the proposed structure’s built form — and not its potential student tenants — that was at issue.

“I’m pleased and surprised,” he said of council’s decision.

Rideau-Rockcliffe Coun. Peter Clark agreed the proposal didn’t fit the neighbourhood’s character and said he was concerned about the precedent that might be set had it been approved.

“This is not the thin edge of the wedge,” Clark said. “It’s the thick edge of the wedge.”

Most councillors seemed to believe they had also approved an expedited review of the Sandy Hill Secondary Plan, but it emerged later in the day that because the review was technically an amendment to a motion that ultimately failed, the review would not be going ahead at this time.

Fleury said he is considering his options regarding that review.

Kathryn Hendrick, a spokeswoman for Viner Assets, said in an email that the council’s decision came as “quite a shock given the green light from the planning committee and the 18 months of careful design and functional planning” to ensure that the project made “good sense for the community.”

“Our team is trying to determine what next steps should be taken,” she wrote.

If those next steps include an appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board, that should come as no surprise, said Peter Hume, who chairs the planning committee and supported the proposal.

“Whether I think it’s the right move or not is irrelevant,” he said. “The person who is going to decide whether what council did was right or wrong now is the Ontario Municipal Board.”

It’s unlikely those behind the project would invest as much as they have so far and not exercise their right to an OMB appeal, Hume said. “If the applicant appeals, the city will be hiring external resources to advance city council’s position and that always doesn’t work out favourably for council’s positions,” Hume said.

Action Sandy Hill’s Chad Rollins, who watched the council meeting online while he was working, said he was “ecstatic.”

“I don’t think we expected that decision,” Rollins said. “We were certainly hoping for it.”

Rollins said he expected that the fight might not be over but that at least now if the issue does end up at the OMB, his group won’t have to fight both the city and the developer.

Action Sandy Hill’s primary concern was around preserving the pedestrian-level connection to the existing buildings, but Rollins said the developer seemed set on the additional height, which required a zoning bylaw amendment.

The bottom line, he added, is that new development should reflect the existing character of the streetscape — a notion reflected in the infill guidelines approved in principle by the planning committee on Tuesday.

“That’s basically what we want,” he said.

During the debate and in media scrums afterward, Watson and several councillors suggested OC Transpo’s extensive bus network means students don’t all need to live a stone’s throw from campus any more.

And the $2.1-billion light rail system currently under construction, which includes a campus stop, will make it even easier for them to live in other parts of the city.

“There’s no longer the need for everyone who goes to Ottawa U to live within Sandy Hill. Those students can be dispersed to different parts of the city with the Transitway right at their front door,” Watson said.

But that’s not necessarily so, said the president of the Student Federation of the University of Ottawa.

Ottawa’s universal bus pass for students is the most expensive of its kind in Canada, and many students choose to live close to campus due to security concerns and a desire to be close to school, said Anne-Marie Roy.

“Students are looking for homes close to campus, regardless of light rail,” she said.

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Old Posted Mar 27, 2014, 2:20 AM
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Watson grandstands in leading rejection of Sandy Hill project

By Joanne Chianello, OTTAWA CITIZEN March 26, 2014 9:48 PM


OTTAWA — Mayor Jim Watson is fond of saying that all the “heavy lifting” of the city’s business should be done at the committee level. He’s also lectured against political showboating at council - a hallmark of the former, “dysfunctional” group of city politicians, apparently - and is a self-described penny-pincher on behalf of taxpayers.

That’s why it was shocking to see Watson not only vote against a recommendation by the city’s planning staff, but to actually champion a move to overturn a decision by council’s own planning committee. In one fell swoop, our pragmatic mayor ensured the spending of $25,000 to $30,000 of taxpayers’ dollars on an Ontario Municipal Board appeal that the city might very well lose.

What’s the mayor thinking? Likely he’s thinking that it’s election year.

The issue is the proposed nine-storey building for the corner of Laurier Avenue East and Friel Street, aimed specifically at attracting students from nearby University of Ottawa. The developer has worked on the proposal for years, and the city’s own planning department was in favour of the final design because - among other things - it was in keeping with both the province’s and Ottawa’s own policies to encourage intensification. And the planning committee, made up of city councillors, approved the plan, despite vehement opposition from the Sandy Hill community.

The committee’s approval was not unexpected. It votes against the planning department’s recommendation rarely and with caution as doing so almost always triggers an appeal to the OMB by the developer. When that appeal is launched, the city will have to hire an outside planner to argue, um, against the city’s own planning department.

As Coun. Peter Hume, the planning committee chair, told the Citizen’s Matthew Pearson, “that always doesn’t work out favourably for council’s position.” Put another way: The city is likely to lose the appeal.

But it might mean that Watson - and more to the point, Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury - get re-elected next fall.

The community was furious with the proposal due to its height, which is out of keeping with the existing low-profile residential neighbourhood (although there is a seven-story building at the Laurier and Friel intersection), and the fact that the building was meant for students. That latter reason wasn’t mentioned quite as often after a tongue-lashing from planning committee member Coun. Stephen Blais accusing some members of the community of discriminating against students.

And yet the mayor was happy to take up the anti-student flag after his victorious vote at council.

“It was going to be a de facto residence with 24-hour security on it,” said Watson. “I just didn’t feel comfortable with the proposal that was before us.”

And yet he felt comfortable with a 30-storey proposal for 1040 Somerset St. W., which was carried with no discussion whatsoever.

There might very well be a good argument against the height of the proposed buildings. And indeed, sound planning principles should be council’s main (and possibly only) argument in making its decision. And while Watson did reference the valid point that the proposed complex didn’t fit with the heritage district feel of Laurier Avenue East, he kept coming back to the question of the challenge that students posed in the community - an argument not likely to go over big at the OMB.

This is not to argue that the mayor should stay away from planning matters. Just the opposite. He should have been involved in the planning process well before Wednesday’s council meeting where the only thing left to do was make political points and guarantee that the city would end up at the OMB.

“In hindsight, if I’d seen this file a lot sooner, I probably would have tried to move quicker on it,” Watson admitted. “But the planning staff have a professional responsibility to bring forward their best advice and not simply be influenced by the politicians. The chance we have to deal with it is at committee and council.”

Well then, where was Watson at the planning committee, where councillors can hear from the public, put city planners in the hot seat, and debate among themselves at length? It was not a secret that the community was going to be out in full force.

The mayor should work to help communities with the difficult challenges of intensification. But political grandstanding isn’t the way to do it.

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So stupid... I mean this was a 9 story building on Laurier for crying out loud, NOT a 39 story skyscraper on Chapel St!

What they mean by it "didn’t fit the neighbourhood’s character" is that if you are not going to build a 2 story victorian home, then don't built anything at all.. (Like the status quo with all the converted homes is better )

And city council and planning committee should both sit down and revisit ALL the community plans and this time set reasonable height limits etc.. All of CBD should be at least 30 stories, all of Rideau St, Laurier and most of King Edward should be 30 stories, Bank and Elgin should be like 20 stories, Richmond should be at least 12-15 stories. THAT way you have set yourself a reasonable limit and you don't have to revisit these community plans every 2 years and make changes and spend all this extra money hiring planners and analysts... Does't city council have other things they should be worrying about and focussing on than just look and heights of buildings??

*Sets community plan with height limit of 8 stories*
-New development application comes in
-Spends money, time and resources fighting it
*revisits plan and changes limit to 9 stories*
-New development application comes in
-Spends money, time and resources fighting it
*revisits plan and changes CERTAIN parts of it to 10 stories*

Like c'mon...
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That’s why it was shocking to see Watson not only vote against a recommendation by the city’s planning staff, but to actually champion a move to overturn a decision by council’s own planning committee. In one fell swoop, our pragmatic mayor ensured the spending of $25,000 to $30,000 of taxpayers’ dollars on an Ontario Municipal Board appeal that the city might very well lose.

What’s the mayor thinking? Likely he’s thinking that it’s election year.
He should be thinking that his decision could shore up votes from ASH supporters, but could also cost him votes from other areas.
From people who think like the pro-development people who dominate this forum. For every one who posts in this board there are probably a 1000+ more who have similar views.
From those who wonder why he supported taller buildings in their neighborhood and then opposed a nine story building because it is now an election year.
From the thousand of students and staff and their families who can vote and see that the university needs this development. From the thousands of voting alumni and their families who take an interest in the development of their alma mater. A hard constituency to mobilize , but it could happen.

Perhaps he thinks that the OMB will overrule the vote. Then he can still appear as a hero to ASH , but that the rancour of others will be muted by the OMB decision. And it will only cost taxpayers about 30,000 dollars for this political manoeuver.

It will also be interesting to see what stand he takes when the private student residence at 45 Mann comes before council.
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This is why I always vote for a (sane, at least) mayoral candidate who I know has no chance in hell of getting in.

What irks me (and always has) is Watson's ongoing, fuzzy 'sweaters and bake sales' image.

The guy retweets people who tell him he's great on Twitter. He's perpetually in campaign mode, he gets snippy and nasty in a hurry if you differ on an issue, he plays favourites on council, and he has no qualms with throwing his personal ethics to the curb if it means garnering a vote. In other words, he's a serial politician right down to the core.

Not warm and fuzzy. Just another politician.

Which is why he will (again) not get my vote this year. Not that it will matter, I'm sure.
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