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So I've been nerding it up, seeing if I can put together something that resembles what may be called the Grand Canadian Chansonnier (comparable to Great American Songbook.) And I have decided to make it hard for myself. The criteria I have been using:

Song must have been published in Canada.
Publishing includes:
* Recording released on a Canadian label or self-distributed. The recording can be subcontracted to a foreign studio, but the foreign studio cannot be released on their label. The Canadian label can be a subsidiary of a foreign label, but in such cases, the contract to record and release must not hinge on the parent.
* Notable performance done in Canada. The minimum is like say Al Oster's Midnight Sun Rock: Performed in 1960, at a high school dance in Whitehorse.
* Composed by a Canadian, a Canadian resident, or someone who sees most of their income derived from the Canadian entertainment industry.

So I guess I've made it very hard for me. I'm trying to figure out the songs sung by Félix Leclerc on Radio-Canada between 1939 and 1950. Because after 1950, he starts releasing tunes on a German label with the artistic directors based out of France.

But it also eases our mind. For example, we can cut out Nickelback (signed to a Dutch label with offices in Netherlands), Justin Bieber (signed to an American label), Paul Anka (moved to the US to sign with an American label.) On the downside, we have to exclude Leonard Cohen (signed to American label), Joni Mitchell (signed to an American label), Neil Young (signed to a American label, runs his label out of California.)

The top 10 so far:

1999 ..... Angel ..... Sarah McLachlan
1930 ..... Le Jour de l'An ..... Mary Bolduc
1971 ..... Evangéline ..... Michel Conté
1930 ..... La Bastringue ..... Mary Bolduc
1983 ..... The Safety Dance ..... Men Without Hats
1930 ..... Ça va venir découragez-vous pas ..... Mary Bolduc
1930 ..... La Cuisiniere ..... Mary Bolduc
1969 ..... Mille Apres Mille / Mile After Mile ..... Gerry Joly
2000 ..... Seul ..... Garou
1970 ..... American Woman ..... The Guess Who


So. . . if anyone has any information on which songs Leclerc sang on Radio Canada between 1939 and 1950, I'm all ears.
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^ Arcade Fire's first EP was self-released (though all their albums signed to American and British labels).
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Oh yeah, how I am ranking:

R = SQRT(f(V)*f(Q))

R = Rating
V = Viewership
Q = Quality

V = Viewership based on Youtube. I sum up all the views of recordings, performances, covers, remixes, howtos, lessons, parodies. I then prorate them by year and by language. I begin with 1930, despite the very first Canadian pop tune (La Cuisinieres) being released in December of 1929. I end with 2012 because A) three years is a good time limit for songs to get views and B) I think is a change in English Canada's perception of its music begins around this time (less tokenism, more hey we actually prefer this over American music.) As for language, I use the ratio of 5.5:1. There are 5.5 times as many wealthy anglophone speakers (UK, CAN, US, AUS, NZ, IR) than there is wealthy francophone speakers (FR, PQ, BE, SI) who would buy recordings. Simple as that.

Q is the product of four relatively arbitrary standings:

Blackleaf: Stayed true to Stompin' Tom's standard. That is, the authors of the songs spent most of their time plugging their music in Canada by performances and such. A 10 spends roughly 100% of their time in Canada with a bit of forgiving for occasional international tours. Something below 3 has some serious time spent elsewhere or use of foreign entertainment industrial might to benefit their careers.

Redleaf: How much are the songwriters using Canadian cues or images to bring the nearness to the Canadian audience. Pretty simple. Instrumentals suffer under this.

Goldleaf: How endeared is the tune? Do you sing it in a wedding? Do you sing it at a memorial? Is it a song that is always requested at the karaoke bar (hello Tom Sawyer)? Is it a demanded tune to be known by a gifted musician? If a song is popular but highly ridiculed, it is going to have a low goldleaf rating.

Blueleaf: How is the tune known abroad? How have we exported the tunes?

Oh, and I must also explain, so far I have ranked more than 500 tunes and have weeded out more than a 1,000 tunes that have been listed on the RPM Top 40 and the Billboard's Canadian Hot 100. I have about 500 of those songs left to go.

The mix by language is roughly between 35 and 40% French.
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I can't wrap my head around the math involved but I definitely know all the English songs. Will have to check out the French ones.
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The math isn't that hard. Now all SSP need is the table function so I can offer some better formatting for longer lists.
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The Top 100 so far:

1999: Angel - Sarah McLachlan
1930: Le Jour de l'An - Mary Bolduc
1971: Evangéline - Michel Conté
1930: La Bastringue - Mary Bolduc
1983: The Safety Dance - Men Without Hats
1930: Ça va venir découragez-vous pas - Mary Bolduc
1930: La Cuisiniere - Mary Bolduc
1969: Mille Apres Mille / Mile After Mile - Gerry Joly
2000: Seul - Garou
1970: American Woman - The Guess Who
1981: Tom Sawyer - Rush
1995: I Will Remember You - Sarah McLachlan
2011: Adieu - Couer de Pirate
1964: Les Gens de Mon Pays - Gilles Vigneault
1942: L'adieu du Soldat - Soldat Lebrun
1999: Silence - Delerium w. Sarah Maclachlan
1932: J'ai un bouton sur l'bout d'la langue - Mary Bolduc
1943: Priere d'une Mere - Soldat Lebrun
1930: La Pitoune - Mary Bolduc
1983: Vivre sur video / Living on Video - Trans-X
1956: Maple Sugar (Sweetheart) - Ward Allen
1969: The Hockey Theme - Dolores Claman
1973: The Hockey Song - Stompin Tom Connors
1973: Hymne a la Beauté du Monde - Luc Plamondon
1980: The Spirit of the Radio - Rush
1996: Tout - Lara Fabian
1972(?): Que la lune est belle ce soir - Daraiche Familie
1972(?): Un Verre Sur la Table - Julie Daraiche
2004: Parce qu’on vient de loin - Corneille
1974: Music Box Dancer - Frank Mills
1993: If I Had $1,000,000 - Barenaked Ladies
1978: Aimer d’amour - Boule Noire
1998: One Week - Barenaked Ladies
2006: Degenerations - Mes Aieux
1953: C'est le R'venant de Rigaud - La Famille Soucy
1945: Mon enfant, je te pardonne - Paul Brunelle
1981: Limelight - Rush
1970: Ordinaire - Robert Charlebois
2009: Break - Three Days Grace
2011: On va s’aimer encore Vincent Vallières
1968: Lindberg - Robert Charlebois
1931: Le Sauvage du Nord - Mary Bolduc
1952: Un Coin de Ciel - Marcel Martel
1970: Snowbird - Anne Murray
1973: Wildflower - Skylark
1949: Les fraises et les framboises - La Familie Soucy
1984: Sunglasses at Night - Corey Hart
2005: Embarque ma belle - Kain
1988: Winter Games - David Foster
1984: Ils s’aiment - Daniel Lavoie
1983: When I’m With You - Sheriff
1977: Xanadu - Rush
2012: Oblivion - Grimes
1990: More Than Words Can Say - Alias
1997: Building a Mystery - Sarah McLachlan
1949: There's a Bluebird on Your Windowsill - Elizabeth Clark
1992: Tue-moi - Dan Bigras
1978: Northwest Passage - Stan Rogers
1994: Insensitive - Jann Arden
2006: Montreal -40°C - Malajube
1954: Le Rapide Blanc - Oscar Thiffault
1989: Les yeux du coeur - Gerry Boulet
1991: 1990 - Jean Leloup
1993: Possession - Sarah McLachlan
1950: Ma Petit Maison - Paul Brunelle
1949: Le Train Qui Siffles - Paul Brunelle
2010: Perfect - Hedley
1997: Sweet Surrender - Sarah McLachlan
1979: Come to Me - France Joli
1996: Seigneur - Kevin Parent
1972: Sign of the Gypsy Queen - Lorence Fud
1981: Your Love - Lime
1991: Life Is a Highway - Tom Cochrane
1969: Bud the Spud - Stompin Tom Connors
1984: Lovers in a Dangerous Time - Bruce Cockburn
1987: Pop Goes the World - Men Without Hats
1979: Roller - April Wine
1990: C’est zero - Julie Masse
2008: Help I’m Alive - Metric
1986: Vivre dans la nuit - Nuance
1936: Les Colons Canadiens - Mary Bolduc
1981: Working for the Weekend - Loverboy
2009: C’est moi - Marie-Mai
2007: Fallen Leaves - Billy Talent
2009: Tug of War - Carly Rae Jepsen
1992: The Last Saskatchewan Pirate - Arrogant Worms
2004: Mushaboom - Feist
1969: Which Way You Goin’ Billy - The Poppy Family
1968: Sudbury Saturday Night Stompin Tom Connors
1936: Les Belles Mères Mary Bolduc
1945: Le Destin Cruel - Paul Brunelle
1981: Turn Me Loose - Loverboy
1974: Le Picbois - Beau Dommage
1982: Pied de poule - Geneviève Lapointe
2007: Sleeping Sickness - City and Colour
1970: Bonsoir Cherie - Marcel Martel
2011: Haven’t Had Enough - Marianas Trench
1970: Big Joe Mufferaw - Stompin' Tom Connors
1985: Lovin’ Every Minute of It - Loverboy
2007: All I Ever Wanted - Brian Melo
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Doing this research, I've come across some neat rare tunes. This song, from 1972, has an absolutely batty nineteen year old the microphone.

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I don't know most of these new ones.

I'm surprised we don't have any. I'd have expected Sonny's Dream or Saltwater Joys or something to at least best Sarah's secondary songs.
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I don't know most of these new ones.

I'm surprised we don't have any. I'd have expected Sonny's Dream or Saltwater Joys or something to at least best Sarah's secondary songs.
To be honest, I've been focusing largely on the top 40 currently. I haven't done the local scenes all that well. I've got some Great Big Sea somewhere in the list but I haven't cracked open much beyond that. Will be pecking away at it.
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La Bolduc making a big showing. Was Anglo Canadian music really that non existent in the era? Was franco music that much more Fast out of the gate?
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I don't know most of these new ones.

I'm surprised we don't have any. I'd have expected Sonny's Dream or Saltwater Joys or something to at least best Sarah's secondary songs.
Ran in Sonny's Dream and it places right above Snowbird (Anne Murray), I figure.

Saltwater Joys's is sitting at 108, just behind Oscar Peterson's "Begone Dull Care."
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La Bolduc making a big showing. Was Anglo Canadian music really that non existent in the era? Was franco music that much more Fast out of the gate?
The first record label to search for Canadian talent opened up in Montreal for the specific purpose of finding French language songs for the Canadian (and hopefully the Louisianan market.) La Bolduc did not have much success in 1929 singing folk tunes but when she wrote her own tunes, she sold songs like hot cakes. She was the first songwriter to sell 10,000 copies (La Cuisinieres) and opened up the way for Anglophones to record in Canada, like Wilf Carter, Earl Heywood and Hank Snow. Of course when the English singers could prove to the record companies that they could sell songs, they were rushed to Nashville, New York and Cleveland where more elaborate recording setups were to be found. So Wilf Carter has basically four songs he recorded in Canada, Hank Snow has a similar amount. Only Earl Heywood stayed in Canada and because he stayed in Canada, he remained in obscurity. Only a couple of tunes of his recorded in the 1970s has more than 2,000 views.

Wilf Carter's tunes max out at 20,000 views, as does Hank Snow's tunes. There are not many covers of those tunes they recorded in Canada. La Bolduc herself has 300 000 views on records she actually produced and her more popular tunes have several covers with more than 10 000 views (some are over 100 000 views themselves.)
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The Canadian label requirement will exclude all of the best known songs by Felix Leclerc. Some of which are top 5 top 10 or top 20 on Quebec song lists.
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The Canadian label requirement will exclude all of the best known songs by Felix Leclerc. Some of which are top 5 top 10 or top 20 on Quebec song lists.
Yep, but consider that Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen are also excluded. Well, I think there is one or two songs by Leonard Cohen that count, given that they were recorded before Leonard Cohen moved to New York City. There is also a song by Neil Young that was originally recorded by the Guess Who when they were signed to a Canadian label.
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Yep, but consider that Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen are also excluded. Well, I think there is one or two songs by Leonard Cohen that count, given that they were recorded before Leonard Cohen moved to New York City. There is also a song by Neil Young that was originally recorded by the Guess Who when they were signed to a Canadian label.
This is equally problematic.
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This is equally problematic.
Perhaps, but consider what this list is not:

* a Songwirter's Hall of Fame (SOCAN already operates that)
* a comprehensive list of Canadian musicians and performers

This specifically refers to songs that was published in Canada. That criteria is what makes the Great American Songbook known as the Great American Songbook, and I think it is fitting for the Great Canadian Songbook should it exist. This celebrates the Canadian entertainment industry and the works it has produced for us to share.
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So I've been nerding it up, seeing if I can put together something that resembles what may be called the Grand Canadian Chansonnier (comparable to Great American Songbook.) And I have decided to make it hard for myself. The criteria I have been using:

Song must have been published in Canada.
Publishing includes:
* Recording released on a Canadian label or self-distributed. The recording can be subcontracted to a foreign studio, but the foreign studio cannot be released on their label. The Canadian label can be a subsidiary of a foreign label, but in such cases, the contract to record and release must not hinge on the parent.
* Notable performance done in Canada. The minimum is like say Al Oster's Midnight Sun Rock: Performed in 1960, at a high school dance in Whitehorse.
* Composed by a Canadian, a Canadian resident, or someone who sees most of their income derived from the Canadian entertainment industry.

So I guess I've made it very hard for me. I'm trying to figure out the songs sung by Félix Leclerc on Radio-Canada between 1939 and 1950. Because after 1950, he starts releasing tunes on a German label with the artistic directors based out of France.

But it also eases our mind. For example, we can cut out Nickelback (signed to a Dutch label with offices in Netherlands), Justin Bieber (signed to an American label), Paul Anka (moved to the US to sign with an American label.) On the downside, we have to exclude Leonard Cohen (signed to American label), Joni Mitchell (signed to an American label), Neil Young (signed to a American label, runs his label out of California.)

The top 10 so far:

1999 ..... Angel ..... Sarah McLachlan
1930 ..... Le Jour de l'An ..... Mary Bolduc
1971 ..... Evangéline ..... Michel Conté
1930 ..... La Bastringue ..... Mary Bolduc
1983 ..... The Safety Dance ..... Men Without Hats
1930 ..... Ça va venir découragez-vous pas ..... Mary Bolduc
1930 ..... La Cuisiniere ..... Mary Bolduc
1969 ..... Mille Apres Mille / Mile After Mile ..... Gerry Joly
2000 ..... Seul ..... Garou
1970 ..... American Woman ..... The Guess Who


So. . . if anyone has any information on which songs Leclerc sang on Radio Canada between 1939 and 1950, I'm all ears.
Interesting; not meaning to question your methods, but if you are ranking songs by some sort of popularity (based on multiple factors), a very important parameter is to consider the number and popularity of cover versions as well. Having more cover versions usually indicates more popularity for the song (but not always crucially).
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