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Old Posted Mar 20, 2014, 10:53 PM
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Speaking of west philly... This was taken today. 3 construction cranes, with 4th one going up soon for 38th street condo. West philly starting to look like a real construction zone

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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 12:43 AM
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On an unrelated note, the vacated 7-11 at 38 & Chestnut has been fenced off. I'm assuming demo is coming next. Anyone have any idea what's next?
I think it is being remodeled into something, not demo...
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 12:52 AM
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I think it is being remodeled into something, not demo...
Too bad. That's a waste, kind of like suping up a '75 Ford Pinto.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 4:03 AM
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I know a lot of people aren't thrilled that the salvation army building is turning into a small park but I really think it could be sweet if its done well. And thankfully, the secret batman of Philly, Jerry Sweeney of Brandywine Realty Trust, (and Cira Centre, Cira South, etc, etc, etc) is highly involved.

A lot of people don't realize that Jerry is also Chair of the Schuylkill River Development Corp (SRDC) which manages Schuylkill Banks and the river trail. The guy is amazing so if he's behind this park and supporting it, I feel like it will turn out well.

I'm always a touch jealous of how many small parks NYC has. You never have to walk far to get a little green space and Philly needs all of the clean, well maintained green space it can get.

On another note, I took a ride up to University City today to take some pics and update my blog. I was nicely told by an admin that I can't just post the blog link here so if you want to check the pics out you'll just have to figure out what my blog website is...

Its haamazing what is going on in UCity now. Haamazing.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 5:22 AM
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I know a lot of people aren't thrilled that the salvation army building is turning into a small park but I really think it could be sweet if its done well.
If someone wants to make a park, make a park, assuming the site has been selected because it satisfies some optimal combination of need and reasonableness of cost to implement (not really the case here).

But to sentimentally memorialize a pointless loss of life in this way when the City has no genuine intention of actually attacking the root of the problem (i.e., unabated, dangerous property neglect in this city) is cynical pandering of the most nauseating kind.

A memorial should be more than a sappy empty symbol with no discernible difference between the before and after. It should serve as a material reminder that when this event occurred, we genuinely altered course to right what is wrong. But nothing material has changed or will as a result of this tragedy.

As soon as the next decrepit, neglected building collapses on someone or the next fireman is killed because of 80-year electrical wiring catches fire, the pointless hypocrisy of this memorial will be glaringly exposed.

It's hard for me to imagine why the victims' families would want any part of such an ugly gesture.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 1:07 PM
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I have no problem with a park in that location. It could very well be a driver for more development along that stretch of Marker Street if it's tastefully done. I totally agree that it sounds like a BS gesture by the politicians to make it look like they care about the problem without actually doing anything to fix it. That aside, I think it it's possible to separate the motivation from the final product and see this as a potentially nice park.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 1:09 PM
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I'm always a touch jealous of how many small parks NYC has. You never have to walk far to get a little green space and Philly needs all of the clean, well maintained green space it can get.
But NY has the critical mass to enable their parks to be highly trafficked and "normal folks" outnumber homeless vagrants. Philadelphia on the other hand has too many empty parks and plazas, especially the area around City Hall.

Now the area around 22nd and Market doesn't really have anything VERY close by, but it's not like that area is ever very crowded. There's not enough people in that area to make this park a success. I don't care how well it's designed or who's in charge of the project; if there's not a critical mass it will be a failure, period.

Even the folks commenting on Philly.com - never the most brilliant people - are panning this idea. I feel like when I'm agreement with those commenters, something is off.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 1:23 PM
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Now the area around 22nd and Market doesn't really have anything VERY close by, but it's not like that area is ever very crowded. There's not enough people in that area to make this park a success.
I have to disagree with this. This is pretty much a five minute walk from thousands of apartment/condo units. You don't see so much foot traffic right there because there's nothing to walk to. With the latest mid rise and highrise developments going up a few blocks away, It seems like this particular stretch of Market Street could really take off with the proper catalyst. If it's done well, this park could easily suck in enough of the the thousands of nearby residents to be functional. It won't be another Rittenhouse Square by any means, but it could certainly be a functional park.

I agree that the plazas and parks around City Hall are a good reason to be cautious about this sort of thing. But those suffer from the dual problems of overabundance and poor planning/layout. Neither should be a problem here if things are done right.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 2:32 PM
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 2:36 PM
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I have to disagree with this. This is pretty much a five minute walk from thousands of apartment/condo units. You don't see so much foot traffic right there because there's nothing to walk to.
But in that five minute walk one passes by much nicer and more established parks, like Rittenhouse Sq, Logan Circle, the Porch.

My main concern/question: was this parcel was part of a block that that porn king was trying to consolidate to develop into something more? Or was that a different a block? I'm worried that this park punches a hole in what could be a large plot of developable land.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 2:46 PM
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Are we going to create a park for the hundreds of people that die by gunfire every year? Instead of the new Comcast tower let's build that park at 18th and Arch.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 2:47 PM
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The tower in the new rendering is a big improvement!
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 3:23 PM
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My little joke about this from a while ago....

...If the designers of the proposed Philly 9/11 Memorial were to design the Philly Demolition Accidents Memorial....

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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 3:37 PM
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But in that five minute walk one passes by much nicer and more established parks, like Rittenhouse Sq, Logan Circle, the Porch.

My main concern/question: was this parcel was part of a block that that porn king was trying to consolidate to develop into something more? Or was that a different a block? I'm worried that this park punches a hole in what could be a large plot of developable land.
I believe he wanted to develop both adjacent blocks together, not that he'll have the resources to do anything of the sort after paying off the lawsuits. This block for sure, as he made overtures to the city to try to buy the fire station in that block.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 3:39 PM
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 3:46 PM
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My thought on the park is this plot was owned by Salvation Army. If they had sold this plot to the porn king when asked, all those people would still be alive and something may have been proposed by now for that corner. Since this tragedy did happen, I would assume the last thing Salvation Army would do at this point is sell that plot to the porn king now. Would we want them to build a new store? That would not sit well either. I think this donation to the city is the best outcome they could hope for and certainly a comfort for those families. That said, my hope is that when/if a building is built on the rest of the land, the architect can design the building to incorporate this park and in doing so, make this outcome something everyone can be comfortable with.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 3:58 PM
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This mostly does not look ll that new but seems in a new format

http://drexel.edu/corporaterelations...n/maps-images/


and this
http://roxborough.patch.com/groups/p...look-like-this
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 5:13 PM
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I used to live at 2121 Market, and I can say for sure a well designed park there would be a huge success. The other parks are a pretty long walk from that location, and there is a huge amount of foot traffic on a daily basis. Lots of people are walking from 30th St. Station to the CBD and pass by. There are tour groups at the mutter museum who could have a place to hang out. There is a large senior apartment across the street, and most of the residents are too frail to make it to Rittenhouse. People buying food at trader joes or 7/11 could eat lunch on a park bench.

Obviously it will be bad if the park is designed poorly, poorly lit, and used to provide free food to homeless people.

It's not like there won't be enough empty lots in the area to develop after this becomes a park.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 6:42 PM
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I think it is stupid to put a park up also, but I think this was a big FU on the salvation army's part. As long as a big building is put up right next to the part it will be fine. In fact, if I was going to build, I would co-op this park as the public works requirement when a building is really big. Would be nice for residents. Maybe a popup beer tent or something.


I wish this was developed, but I simply chalk it up to Philly corruption. There is so much to be developed in this city that I can't really care about this one park. How about the 2 blocks of parking lots right when you enter the city. Or the massive lot on 20th that is waiting to be developed? Or Chestnut street and that horrible Wendy's? On and on and on.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2014, 7:39 PM
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Building collapse park

Hey just to be clear, is the park only on the land that the salvation army store was on or is it on the whole lot? If not the whole lot what regulations does having that park next to it come with? And does anyone know what was planned to go there before the collapse?
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