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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 2:12 AM
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I think it's appropriate for the area. I like it.
I just want a simple park design with grass, trees, benches, and maybe a fountain as a focal point. The best example is Manhattan's Bryant Park.
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I just want a simple park design with grass, trees, benches, and maybe a fountain as a focal point. The best example is Manhattan's Bryant Park.
Bryant Park is nothing like that. They have ping pong tables, food thingies, bar, coffee shop, library........
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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 5:39 AM
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Bryant Park is nothing like that. They have ping pong tables, food thingies, bar, coffee shop, library........
Please... stop.
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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 6:16 AM
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Please... stop.
I've included a link so you can actually explore the park:

http://bryantpark.org/the-park

Ping Pong, Library, Food stalls, fountain, More food, Carrousel, Chess, Cafe, bar.

Bryant park is a great park but it is not just a "simple park design with grass, trees, benches, and maybe a fountain as a focal point."

And if you wanted that in a park in Los Angeles, there is a good park that is a half block north of this one that fits your description.
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Old Posted May 24, 2017, 12:58 PM
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There's always the Pershing Square redo by the French. But yeah, too many parks look like college campus landscaping, lacking elegance. Los Angeles, unfortunately, doesn't do gardens or floral detailing, just grass and trees.
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I've included a link so you can actually explore the park:

http://bryantpark.org/the-park

Ping Pong, Library, Food stalls, fountain, More food, Carrousel, Chess, Cafe, bar.

Bryant park is a great park but it is not just a "simple park design with grass, trees, benches, and maybe a fountain as a focal point."

And if you wanted that in a park in Los Angeles, there is a good park that is a half block north of this one that fits your description.
Yes it has those things but when you step into it, it is basically a beautiful park with tables, chairs, grass and a fountain.
https://goo.gl/photos/bHbcUAdZjxuzitra7
https://goo.gl/photos/hj9wJs8qKPWdKFrw7
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I just want a simple park design
that would also seemingly help in keeping the budget more reasonable too. but designers must feel like they're not not earning their commission if they stick to the principle of.......





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Well sure, if you take away all of those things, totally just a piece of grass. But you can't, because that is no longer Bryant Park. Bryant park wouldn't be nearly as popular without those things. There is a reason people mention Bryant Square Park and not Madison Square Park, or Washington Square Park, or Union Square park. Those parks are just benches and trees and chairs. Bryant park actually has programming and stuff to do.



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Yes it has those things but when you step into it, it is basically a beautiful park with tables, chairs, grass and a fountain.
https://goo.gl/photos/bHbcUAdZjxuzitra7
https://goo.gl/photos/hj9wJs8qKPWdKFrw7
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Well sure, if you take away all of those things, totally just a piece of grass. But you can't, because that is no longer Bryant Park. Bryant park wouldn't be nearly as popular without those things. There is a reason people mention Bryant Square Park and not Madison Square Park, or Washington Square Park, or Union Square park. Those parks are just benches and trees and chairs. Bryant park actually has programming and stuff to do.
Agreed!!!
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Old Posted May 25, 2017, 8:39 PM
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Well sure, if you take away all of those things, totally just a piece of grass. But you can't, because that is no longer Bryant Park. Bryant park wouldn't be nearly as popular without those things. There is a reason people mention Bryant Square Park and not Madison Square Park, or Washington Square Park, or Union Square park. Those parks are just benches and trees and chairs. Bryant park actually has programming and stuff to do.
I fully understand that. But again, when I go to Bryant Park when I'm in NY, I visually see a beautiful park with grass, trees, flowers, a fountain. That is why I love going there. Yes it has activities and other things. People visit the park for their own reasons. If I were to go there and see lots of steps, lots of concrete, blocked from the sidewalk like Pershing Square, I would not go. Bryant Park is a beautiful park with beautiful grounds in a beautiful setting, and that is why I go.
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such a relief....& long overdue.....knowing that formerly high visibility parking lots in dt, due in part to the way they've interacted with surrounding locations....such as rooftop restaurants.....are finally becoming more than that......

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I fully understand that. But again, when I go to Bryant Park when I'm in NY, I visually see a beautiful park with grass, trees, flowers, a fountain. That is why I love going there. Yes it has activities and other things. People visit the park for their own reasons. If I were to go there and see lots of steps, lots of concrete, blocked from the sidewalk like Pershing Square, I would not go. Bryant Park is a beautiful park with beautiful grounds in a beautiful setting, and that is why I go.
Unfortunately many parks are now designed to make them unattractive gathering/sleeping places for homeless people. No grass. No benches. No restrooms etc. This makes them also unusable for non-homeless. They are vacant spaces devoid of purpose. The wrecking of Pershing Square started in the late 1950s, when they tore up a nice central square with trees and fountains and grass, a put in a parking garage. The square was ruined. There were some down on their luck types in the 1950s, but they generally had beds in flophouses and shelters and SRO hotels. The square was also filled with plenty of "regular" people strolling around. It helped that the L.A. Philharmonic played in the auditorium across the street, and the Biltmore was the biggest & best hotel. As a kid, I remember the orators in Pershing Square, who would hold forth on various political subjects on the weekends. It was a busy scene. Now the square is a wasteland presided over by an unhappy & lonely scowling statue of Ludwig van Beethoven.

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Yes Cesar, what were (was) your vantage point?
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Yes Cesar, what were (was) your vantage point?

Here is the location

https://www.google.com/maps/place/34...8.307052?hl=en

I like how it is still low elevation but enough angles to see a lot of the city.
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Here is the location

https://www.google.com/maps/place/34...8.307052?hl=en

I like how it is still low elevation but enough angles to see a lot of the city.
Thank you so much. One day, when I am in town, I will make it up.
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Here are a few new renderings of the Shenzhen Hazens development from the Downtown News. Truthfully, I'm much more bothered by the decision to scale down the project than the design revision, which I find to be less tacky and more 'tasteful' (though also quite bland, yes).



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^ Is there a timetable for this project?
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ruthfully, I'm much more bothered by the decision to scale down the project than the design revision, which I find to be less tacky and more 'tasteful' (though also quite bland, yes).
We have one tower less, but the remaining ones are even higher (not just a triangle spire, the small one gained some rooms)

I actually like that design. It makes a way more sense.
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