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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 2:39 PM
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The base is probably the best part about the building (not including the existence of the Farwell, of course). Real stone, real ornamentation, greets the Mag Mile appropriately...
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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 6:39 PM
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I personally think this building looks really well done, especially the base.
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I personally think this building looks really well done, especially the base.
Yeah, in just about any city, it would be a good looking building, but this is Chicago! Still, it's not a bad looking building
     
     
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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 7:12 PM
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The eye thing also looks vaguely Egyptian and ancient egyptian motifs were really popular in the art deco era so maybe they were going for that. I love Freemasonry all-seeing eye symbols and ancient Egyptian motifs so I dig it. In any other city people would kill for a building like this, but it is almost a let down for Chicago.
     
     
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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 7:31 PM
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But this is pertinent specifically because of buildings like the Ritz. What exactly are they trying to do? Its half assed traditional, half assed contemporary. Its obvious that LaGrange had issues in dealing with meeting the demands of these two fundamentally contradicting ideologies.

It really needs to go one way or the other.
It's a most unfortunate thing called post-modernism; Mies would die from a heart-attack upon looking at this rubbish if he were still alive today. I'm SO GLAD that twat went bankrupt.....NIMBY!!!!
     
     
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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 7:34 PM
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The eye thing also looks vaguely Egyptian and ancient egyptian motifs were really popular in the art deco era so maybe they were going for that. I love Freemasonry all-seeing eye symbols and ancient Egyptian motifs so I dig it. In any other city people would kill for a building like this, but it is almost a let down for Chicago.
Freemasonry and the Illuminati is very interesting. The higher up you get in freemasonry the stranger/creepier it gets, anyways though, the Illuminati focus a lot on Egyptian mythology, Isis, Orisis etc... So a lot of their symbols were made with Egyptian concepts in mind.
     
     
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The other evening late night around 230 am I was driving down Michigan and I have to say that the base looked better than I expected, that being said I had very low expectations.....it looked better than expected but still appeared to be weird......nightmarishly cartoonish almost grotesquely graphic novelish.
     
     
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Is that picture real life?
     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2012, 10:39 PM
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Old Posted May 27, 2012, 10:53 PM
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Is that picture real life?
Hydro's photos tend to do that. I don't think he ordinarily uses HDR either - always 100% natural.
     
     
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Michi, somehow your picture manages to make the top of the Ritz look interesting. Idk what it is, but that composition is really great; the clutter of beige pomo buildings actually looks rather interesting... I'm always a sucker for any picture that plays with focus between foreground and background.
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Is that picture real life?
Perspective distortion done very well. It's a great photo
     
     
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Is that picture real life?
Or is it just fantasy? I wish it would be caught in a landslide and removed from reality.

LaGrange should just open his eyes, look up to the skies and see that he's just a poor architect who won't get no sympathy...
     
     
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Old Posted May 31, 2012, 4:46 AM
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^ Well, the ground is always unstable in Chicago, lol.

I've gotten used to the building like the Elysian. I guess because the Farwell reconstruction softened my negative opinions. I stare at that longer than the tower. At this point, I hope the avenue's older structures will be spared from any replacement.

There's a good balance of architecture from different eras. There's also a few buildings that enable customized facades...so architecture can still refresh itself even if we see no new buildings.

I say once the planters go in we retire this thread out of the construction forums. Hard to believe this was just a cleared dirt site when I moved to Chicago.
     
     
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Old Posted May 31, 2012, 2:14 PM
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^ I'll never get used to the Elysian, and at this point I feel it's safe to say the Ritz-Carlton as well. Just so thoroughly distatestful and so detached from, and even the opposite of, both the general spirit of, and history of design quality in Chicago.....
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Old Posted May 31, 2012, 2:58 PM
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For an engaging piece of hilarity, everyone should read a little profile that Crain's ran this week on Lagrange. Written by a Robert Sharoff, he of the comically-titled "Lucien Lagrange: The Search for Elegance"!!!! No kidding, the words Elegance and Lucien Lagrange in the same sentence - no, a title of a book!! This schlocky, hacky, junk purveyor needs to stop his efforts to help design in Chicago. We really don't need the 'help'! So he's out at VOA, and now he's found an apparent even greater fool to hire him on. All he is really is a businessman, not a designer - and frankly, the public track record that's out there (bankruptcy, thank goodness) suggests that, in the end, not a very good businessman at that - his trick is preying on unsophisticated design taste of certain high net-worth individuals......not bad work I guess, if you can find it, but boy is karma a bi$*h!! Good riddance hopefully soon, and may this new venture end in misadventure!

Also, for the record, let me say that - I know there are those in these forums who think otherwise, but still - there would still be something deeply wrong with Lagrange if he were a talented designer (his overall portfolio, and the Ritz project thoroughly demonstrates he is anything but) in a traditionalist, or classical motif. For brand new construction, ground-up development, it simply has no place in the modern world, in contemporary Chicago........there simply does not exist a good faith, rational, compelling argument to support it. At a first-pass, high level, it's terribly flawed in a very basic, almost philosophical sense. Period.
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Old Posted May 31, 2012, 5:26 PM
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^ I'll never get used to the Elysian, and at this point I feel it's safe to say the Ritz-Carlton as well. Just so thoroughly distatestful and so detached from, and even the opposite of, both the general spirit of, and history of design quality in Chicago.....
^ Ironically, I would argue that the local design community's seemingly intense disdain for buildings like Elysian and Ritz Carlton are exactly why we are getting buildings like this.

Chicago's design community is obviously at odds with the wealthy Chicago consumer, who actually wants to live in buildings such as this one. So what we get is poorly executed neo-historicism instead of well-executed neo-historicism. If more members of Chicago's design community actually embraced neo-historicism and accepted its role in MODERN day society, we would perhaps be seeing much more well executed developments.

But NOOOO... it's the tired (and increasingly annoying) "OH MY GOD THAT'S SUCH AN ATROCIOUS POMO PIECE OF SHIT, MY FELLOW ARCHITECTURAL SCHOOL BUDDIES WOULD TOTALLY HATE THAT, CHICAGO IS LIKE SO FAR BEHIND WE SHOULD BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE AND BE BUILDING REALLY NEAT MODERNIST & ABSTRACT STUFF LIKE THEY DO IN BERLIN" attitude (yes, a bit of hyperbole but many really do come across like this) that is just as damaging as LaGrange himself.
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Old Posted May 31, 2012, 6:14 PM
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^ Ironically, I would argue that the local design community's seemingly intense disdain for buildings like Elysian and Ritz Carlton are exactly why we are getting buildings like this.

Chicago's design community is obviously at odds with the wealthy Chicago consumer, who actually wants to live in buildings such as this one. So what we get is poorly executed neo-historicism instead of well-executed neo-historicism. If more members of Chicago's design community actually embraced neo-historicism and accepted its role in MODERN day society, we would perhaps be seeing much more well executed developments.

But NOOOO... it's the tired (and increasingly annoying) "OH MY GOD THAT'S SUCH AN ATROCIOUS POMO PIECE OF SHIT, MY FELLOW ARCHITECTURAL SCHOOL BUDDIES WOULD TOTALLY HATE THAT, CHICAGO IS LIKE SO FAR BEHIND WE SHOULD BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE AND BE BUILDING REALLY NEAT MODERNIST & ABSTRACT STUFF LIKE THEY DO IN BERLIN" attitude (yes, a bit of hyperbole but many really do come across like this) that is just as damaging as LaGrange himself.
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Old Posted May 31, 2012, 7:35 PM
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The urban politician gave a pretty accurate assessment. Chicago seems to have particularly vocal and orthodox modernist fanatics. They're very reminiscent of some developing countries that embrace modern architecture entirely in an effort to appear more cosmopolitan or technocratic, while exposing a certain degree of provincialism. Oddly, I could say something similar about Lagrange's architecture.

What's interesting is that Lagrange seems to tone down his kitschy designs in New York; look at 535 West End Avenue or the Touraine. Who knows what accounts for the difference, but fanatics and partisans everywhere should accept that good design can exist in many vernaculars.
     
     
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