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Agreed we need better lighting to showcase our icons. Not sure everything else needs to be powered off.

On same note, I saw the illuminated Jacques-Cartier Bridge in Montreal this weekend at night... SO nice! I love how the lights actually move and are not just stagnant. Makes it so much nicer and livelier!
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I tried doing a crappy photoshop job to see what it would look like if we had the best lighting of each.



I think this looks pretty good and the new lighting should be implemented, but the skyscrapers' lighting should not change.
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Simple fact is that as property owners realize they can substantially reduce their $200,000 electricity bill, all the lights are out.
They already know, but keep the lights on anyway.

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People taking photos at night are not taking photos of Place de Ville. They're taking photos of the peace tower and supreme court.
I'm sure a lot of people actually like Place de Ville as part of the skyline. If you look at advertisement and logos, the community seems to embrace Place de Ville now more than ever.

We're starting to see PdV on more and more logos and advertisement depicting the skyline. Before, it was just the historic front that was depicted.


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All those landmark buildings you listed have accent lighting for the sole purpose of pointing them out at night in the sea of other office blocks.
As should the historic landmarks in Ottawa. Just don't force private companies to shut off their lights. No other (or very few) city has any such overbearing laws.
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I tried doing a crappy photoshop job to see what it would look like if we had the best lighting of each.



I think this looks pretty good and the new lighting should be implemented, but the skyscrapers' lighting should not change.
That's what I'm talking about! A complete skyline!!
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So did anyone actually read the report?

Seems to me it mentions:
- cutting down on light pollution and promoting responsible environmental stewardship by requesting that office lights be turn off,

- an increase to architectural lighting of landmark institutional buildings in "warm" lighting,

- an increase in lighting architecturally non-landmark buildings in "cool" lighting,

This will create a 'background' and 'foreground'- and sense of depth to the skyline, while overall attempting to reduce light pollution or at the very least not increase light population with the increase in architectural lighting.
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Plain and simple: we need something like Times Square in Ottawa, maybe in the Market, or on Elgin.

boom!
Outdoor advertising? Propose it. I'll be off over here cornering the local market on fainting couches.
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As should the historic landmarks in Ottawa. Just don't force private companies to shut off their lights. No other (or very few) city has any such overbearing laws.
More of them should: light pollution is not a good thing.
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This will create a 'background' and 'foreground'- and sense of depth to the skyline, while overall attempting to reduce light pollution or at the very least not increase light population with the increase in architectural lighting.
If the plan doesn't result in an overall reduction of light pollution, even with the addition of ceremonial illumination, then it is not a good plan and should be sent back to the drawing board.

For the size of the place, Ottawa has a very, very, very nasty light pollution problem. If the NCC doesn't want to do its part to fix it, then that's one more reason to add to the pile of Abolish The NCC reasons.
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Bright idea? Light pollution fears shadow NCC plan to light up capital

Gabrièle Roy, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 28, 2017 | Last Updated: July 28, 2017 8:55 AM EDT


The National Capital Region is known for its distinguished Rideau Canal, breathtaking views and its historical landmarks.

Come sundown, though, the moonlight only illuminates a portion of Canada’s history.

A plan is afoot to brighten up some of Ottawa’s landmarks during the nighttime. Yet, many consequences will come to light as the city gets brighter.

After an analysis of the current evening condition of the capital region, the National Capital Commission developed what has been dubbed the Capital Illumination Plan in collaboration with the City of Ottawa, the City of Gatineau as well as private and public stakeholders.

Over a 10-year period, the NCC plans on showcasing the nighttime landscape of the capital region with the goal of “promoting sustainable development, enhancing the Capital’s nighttime beauty, enriching the resident and visitor experience and supporting existing planning, heritage conservation and urban design strategies.”

Since the NCC first presented the idea of a master lighting plan for the downtown core in 2014, the federal Crown corporation has called upon the public on a number of occasions. In 2016, a series of night walks were organized and participants were invited to provide their feedback for urban lighting plans in regards to the downtown core.

The draft of the Capital Illumination Plan was published in June and the final plan will be submitted to the NCC’s board of directors in the fall.

If approved, the plan will serve as a guideline for illuminating the capital at sundown.

A variety of Canadian landmarks have been selected by the NCC for illumination, including Confederation Boulevard, the 7.5-kilometre route connecting Parliament, the Supreme Court, Rideau Hall, the area’s museums and its embassies. Also selected have been the National Gallery of Canada, the Gatineau courthouse, Ottawa City Hall, Notre-Dame Cathedral and others.


To illuminate the capital, the NCC suggests using “new lighting technologies featuring low energy use, greater control flexibility and a longer life cycle,” such as LEDs.

LEDs, or light-emitting diodes, have become a popular choice due to cost efficiency. However some of those involved with the Capital Illumination Plan, as well as scientists around the globe, have warned that artificial lighting, especially using white LEDs, can cause enormous repercussions for light pollution, as well as on animals, plants and humans.

The NCC suggests using light-emitting diodes from 2200K to 4200K. A 2200K LED will look yellowish to the eyes, while a 4200K will be a bright and bluish-white light.

“The 4000K light produces 16 times more light pollution than the 2000K,” says Dr. James D. Lowenthal, professor and chair of the astronomy department at Smith College in Northampton, Mass.

The more blue the light is, the more consequences there are for human health and on the ecosystem, notwithstanding the impact on light pollution and sky glow.

According to the International Dark Sky Association, “much outdoor lighting used at night is inefficient, overly bright, poorly targeted, improperly shielded and, in many cases, completely unnecessary,” which creates light pollution.

As cities get brighter at nighttime, the sky glow increases every year. “It’s been a six per cent increase every year for years, but it keeps increasing because of LEDs,” Lowenthal says.

Travis Longcore, assistant professor of architecture, special sciences and biological sciences at the University of Southern California. He offers a different critique: “Why would you light up a building that wasn’t built with lights on it? There’s something disrespectful about that. To me, this is just homogenization of the architecture.”

Yet, the NCC says it is aware of the consequences of light pollution and is promoting sustainable lighting. In its 120-page draft, the NCC provides information about lighting efficiency, such as the importance of equipment and orientation.

However, even if the luminaires chosen are well designed and facing downwards only, a lot of light can still go up into the sky, creating light pollution.

“The average city reflects about 30 per cent of its light facing down right back up into the sky,” says Lowenthal.

“Most people think asphalt is completely black, but it’s actually grey and it reflects plenty of light. In fact, it reflects much more light than the moon does,” says Lowenthal. (The moon reflects about 11 per cent of the sunlight.)

To reduce light pollution at night, the NCC’s senior land use planner, Sophie Acheson, says, “One of the most important features we have is the idea of these lighting curfews, where we suggest dimming lights at night, which was something that came out from our discussions with the public and some of the stakeholders.”

The draft suggests that lighting in certain areas of the capital be reduced by 50 per cent between midnight and 5 a.m.

Dimming the light will make a difference, says Lowenthal. “Whenever you dim the light, you’re making all the problems less bad. There will be less glare, less light pollution and, obviously, less energy waste.”

The NCC also suggests the use of motion-activated lighting in areas such as recreational pathways, parks, courtyards and parking lots. It also plans on avoiding light spills by using shielded luminaires whenever it is possible.

“Frankly I’ve been quite impressed with the NCC. Although there are a number of aspects I don’t necessarily agree with, they’ve done an admirable job at trying to find a middle ground,” says Robert Dick, the chair of The Royal Astronomical Society of Canada’s Light-Pollution Abatement Committee, who attended meetings for the illumination plan and provided feedback.

Dark Zones

Artificial light at night has severe consequences on wildlife and on the ecosystem. Plants have evolved for specific day and night cycles and respond to these cycles through the production and consumption of the hormone phytochrome, according to the non-profit International Dark-Sky Association.

If this cycle is disturbed, it can affect different species, as well as plants. In 2015, researchers at the University of Exeter in England published a study in which they found that artificial light at night affects the growth and flowering of plants, therefore also affecting the number of insects that use these plants for food.

The NCC recommends using lights carefully for areas where wildlife, plants, fish and insects cohabit.

To do so, the NCC says, it will create dark zones for major green spaces and waterways, such as Jacques Cartier Park and the Rideau Canal.

“One thing we are figuring out as we do this is that there’s a lot of knowledge out there now about how urban illumination impacts plants, so we are working hard to make sure we improve the impact of lighting in the Capital in those areas,” says Christopher Hoyt, senior architect with the NCC.

Longore says, “There’s a huge area of consideration that should be (given to) the type of wildlife in this area before going on with a designed plan, and I don’t see any of that yet. The NCC seems generally aware of the impacts of lights on wildlife, but not very specifically for the areas they want to put the lights in.”

Lighting will also be minimized for dark zones, allowing for events and showcasing things that might be located in those areas, but, generally, these zones will be kept as dark as possible.

There are some parks that should have no lights whatsoever, says Dick.

“If it’s done right, there’s enough sky glow from the city alone to find your way.”

Although the dark zones are a good approach to minimizing the effects of light pollution on wildlife and on the ecosystem, Dick worries the lights from other parts of the city might get bright enough to disturb the ecosystem, as is already the case for birds in the capital region.

Effects on birds

The sky glow of the capital region already has deadly consequences on birds in the area.

Anouk Hoedeman, founder of Safe Wings, says, “The issue with birds is that all of them migrate at night and they use the moon and the stars to navigate.”

“When there are bright lights, birds get disoriented and drawn towards the light, sort of like when you see insects all around a porch light.”

Safe Wings is a program of the Ottawa Field-Naturalists’ Club that’s meant to reduce bird deaths caused by window collisions.

As birds get drawn towards the lights, they collide onto buildings, fly around the light and collide with each other or even drop out of exhaustion.

According to a book published in 2006 called Ecological Consequences of Artificial Night Lighting, once birds are disoriented they are at risk of colliding with artificial structures such as buildings and transmission towers or of falling onto roadways and being run over by vehicles.

The night sky in Ottawa isn’t as bright as in big cities such as New York, Toronto or Chicago, but it’s bright enough for such collisions to happen.

“Most collisions are in the first two hours after sunlight, which tells us that the birds were descending into the city during the nighttime, when drawn by light pollution, and then collide in the morning when they want to be on their way again,” Hoedeman says.

Artificial lighting is one of a suite of human-wrought factors that together are contributing to the downward trend in distribution and abundance of the world’s numerous species of birds.

Every year, 250,000 birds die in Ottawa from collisions. Millions more around the world die from colliding with illuminated buildings.

Hoedeman says she’s glad the NCC’s plan articulates some of the dangers of light pollution, but says, “I would have liked to see a bit more about light pollution concerning birds and concerning humans.”

In the next couple of years, when walking the downtown core of the capital at nighttime, monuments, buildings, parks and public arts will be illuminated to create a more vibrant environment but there might be adverse effects.

“Even though the plan isn’t completed yet, we have already seen some of the impacts of it, the main being that people are now talking about lighting much more than they were in the past,” says Acheson.

Safety

The NCC says artificial light has a direct impact on the real and perceived safety of pedestrians, cyclists and drivers.

“When we are talking about public safety, we are recognizing the impact that lighting can have in crime prevention but also in terms of the universal accessibility,” says Sophie Acheson, the NCC’s senior land use planner.

The truth is scientists have been debating for years whether or not lighting increases safety in urban areas.

“There’s an assumption that isn’t tested that more light at night is better and safer,” says Dr. James D. Lowenthal, professor and chair of the astronomy department at Smith College in Northampton, Mass.

A 2015 research was done in England and Wales looking at whether reduced street lighting would affect road causalities and crime. Looking at geographically coded police data on road traffic collisions and crime in 62 local authorities, researchers came to the conclusion that there was no evidence that any street light-adaptation strategy was associated with change in collisions or crime at night.

“There are hundreds and hundreds of articles in the literature exploring the effects of light at night on safety, and I think it is safe to say that there are no consensus,” Lowenthal says.

What is light pollution?

Is the outdoor light on your front lawn shining upwards? If yes, you might be contributing to light pollution.

Light pollution is best described as the excessive and needless use of outdoor lights. For example, when a light is left on while everyone is asleep or when a light shines onto an area it shouldn’t, it causes light pollution.

The non-profit International Dark Sky Association uses four main components to determine if a light is causing light pollution:
  1. Glare – Excessive brightness that causes visual discomfort.
  2. Skyglow – Lighting that brightens up the sky.
  3. Light trespass – Light falling where it is not intended or needed.
  4. Clutter – Excessive and bright groupings of lights.

Either coming from buildings, streetlights or residential areas, lights that are needless cause light pollution.

The level of light pollution is often much higher is cities than in rural areas, because there are much more lights left on at night. It therefore makes it harder to star gaze in cities than in rural areas.

Colours matter

To determine the light pollution emitted from one light versus another, scientists subtract the two wavelength numbers and take that result to the fourth power.

For example, a 4000K light has two times the wavelengths of a 2000K light.

Therefore, taking the number two to the fourth power, scientists are able to demonstrate that “a 4000K light produces 16 times more light pollution than a 2000K light,” says Dr. James D. Lowenthal, professor and chair of the astronomy department at Smith College in Northampton, Mass.

“The colour of the light makes a big difference for light pollution”, says Lowenthal.

The blue-rich lights cause significantly more light pollution than high pressure sodium lights.

In 2016, the American Medical Association published a guideline on LED streetlights suggesting a limit of 3000K or less for outdoor lights.

The NCC is currently suggesting using LEDs as bright as 4200K.

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One thing the NCC could do to reduce light pollution is to end their obsession with globe lights.
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So did anyone actually read the report?

Seems to me it mentions:
- cutting down on light pollution and promoting responsible environmental stewardship by requesting that office lights be turn off,

- an increase to architectural lighting of landmark institutional buildings in "warm" lighting,

- an increase in lighting architecturally non-landmark buildings in "cool" lighting,

This will create a 'background' and 'foreground'- and sense of depth to the skyline, while overall attempting to reduce light pollution or at the very least not increase light population with the increase in architectural lighting.

I haven't seen the report (I did not see a link to it in this thread, but will look for it myself), but from your summary this seems reasonable - on the surface, yet obvious political agenda.

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As per light pollution from a human perspective for those concerned about it, red signals required on buildings over 45 metres for aircraft safety are more obnoxious (aka visible) than office lights. Hence, why they are used for signalling.

Thus, the "pollution" being spoken about seems to be more about Eco-friendly footprint stuff rather than how well people living in the city can sleep with all the lights turned.
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Could a Moderator change the name of this thread to Capital Illumination plan?

A few updates provided by the NCC. Couple images. One thing I noticed is that all of the NCC's skyline images are way outdated (about 10 years).

Skyline view (Shopify and James Flaherty not yet built).


Garden of the Provinces Great Lakes Fountain, an under appreciated piece IMO (EDIT: it no longer works!?).


https://twitter.com/NCC_CCN/status/1276184783559839746

2019-2020 report:

https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.c...20200625114746

Presentation from starts at 1:41:30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITipxU1ID7w

Not much new based on the presentation. I was highly critical of this plan when it was introduced, but I better understand and appreciate it now.

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To me this is the most exciting thing happening in our City today. Ottawa really does pack it in after dusk every night. Parliament is invisible an hour after sunset aside from the clock. Parliament should a 'Jewel of the Night' as they say. Google 'Prague at Night' to see what our city could look like with proper illumination. In all of my travels I have never seen a city so poorly lit as Ottawa. I am very excited about what this could do for our City. I am also very excited for the Alexandra bridge replacement's potential for night time lighting.
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LOL what a joke... let's make one of the coldest capitals on Earth feel even colder. Can't wait until our NCR looks like a desolate wasteland.

And those poor souls who move into Zibi... nothing but streetlamps to keep their surroundings illuminated out in the middle of the Ottawa River. Gonna be some long winters for them.

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Bring on the dark skies, I say.
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Bring on the dark skies, I say.
Same. Let's brighten up what should be bright and dim the lights elsewhere. It's a great strategy.
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What a seriously underwhelming conceptual image! Even with a bunch of large (currently non-existent) buildings to block out the sky and provide a back-drop, to me, it presents a very dark, poorly-lit, environment with very few semi-illuminated highlights.

And the blue lights simply make it look like an alien invasion during a power outage. Is that the ‘drama’ that they are going for?

By all means, let’s change the look of a bustling, busy, night-life for one of a semi-ghost town. But I doubt that the concept shown will pass any of the CPTED criteria. The presented idea is too dark. If you think that the core is ‘dead after sunset’ now, wait until The Haunted Walk of Ottawa© is everywhere downtown. There is a reason that people fear the woods at night; there is danger in the shadows.

I, for one, hope that the concept depicted in that image does not come to fruition. Yes, I believe that there is a lot that can be done with lighting to add excitement to the city’s core, but this picture is not showing it.
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I never understood why government buildings happen to be the only ones where people forget to turn off the lights on their way out.

NO government tower should be 100% lit up at midnight on a Tuesday. I'm looking at L'Esplinade Laurier as the main offender. The lights have been completely turned on there since 2004, never to be turned off.

Not only is it a colossal waste of money (leave it to the government to turn a blind eye to easily saving money) but it's bad for the environment.

Turn them all off I say.

(motion sensors work wonders. The private sector learned this like 20 years ago.)
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