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Originally Posted by fredinno
My point was that you said that was an improvement over taking the Skytrain. It's not, and it's only an improvement if you were already taking the Streetcar. My statement of how long a car takes was a rough estimation of how long a streetcar to get there.
Gastown and Chinatown would be serviced better by a Hastings Subway.
2. Ok, I guess I was a bit wrong with that part.
The WCE is delayed by freight traffic overall. I was referring to the Waterfront Station track area itself, which is less crowded.
Even if it's built in Pacific Central, most of those people are going to still take Skytrain, not LRT. That's my main point.
3. Yes, which is why it's not really a big deal if it never gets built. I can see the use if the streetcar on Phase 1 if it's exceptionally popular, which I'm skeptical of. The Olympic Line had 0.55 M boardings, but that's partially because of the Olympics, and partially out of novelty. The 16 has 7.2 M boardings per year.
I feel like the Phase 1-3 are just even more of 'eh, maybe, one day' proposals on top an already 'eh, maybe one day' proposal.
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You've got me confused with lokyin, methinks. I'm of the opinion that even if it's not faster than the Expo, it's more direct and covers a different area.
A Hastings subway would be E-W; nothing wrong with that, but a N-S route for that part of downtown is needed as well.
2) Even if they need to access the in-betweens (False Creek, NEFC, Chinatown, etc) that SkyTrain can't reach? Again, this time, the streetcar's not attempting to duplicate or replace SkyTrain, but extend it - we're taking the big Expo-Millennium-Canada triangle and subdividing it into smaller triangles.
3) Come on, nobody's suggesting any more than Phase 1 right now!
The Olympic Line also did not have Arbutus-Broadway on one end, nor Main Street on the other. The 50 is more or less an inversion of the streetcar route, and it gets 1.6M despite 15-minute peak frequencies; add the 16, and people from the neighbourhoods above, and that's a relatively solid route.
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Originally Posted by fredinno
Would you go on a route that takes 7-10 minutes longer to avoid a crowded train?
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If I'm starting from Arbutus or further west and I'm not in a rush, why not?
Then there's people in Marpole and Kerrisdale and Kitsilano who may be riding the tram instead of transferring to a bus and then the Canada Line. More options means less crowding.