George Massey Tunnel Replacement | Proposed

[Firebrand]

Originally Posted by libtard

Imagine a river crossing that ISNT the choke point. I would be happy with an 8 lane bridge if it turned out like this

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Tough luck trying to convince Malcolm Brodie for getting a six lane bridge.

[WarrenC12]

Wow a new bridge isn't a choke point after it opens? $5USD toll on there. Sure let's slap $7Cdn on a new bridge. It will be a ghost town.

[AForce]

also there's no need for climbing lanes on the bridge which keeps traffic moving. cant really compare

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

if only we could go back to the early 50s and insist they build the original plan of 4+4 (8 lanes) and bike and pedestrian connections. then at least we could ignore this crossing as it would be fine other than the whole collapsing-in-a-small-earthquake-thing that is. but that could also pose problems with the homeless sleeping in the pedestrian/bike tunnels.

[Vantage]

Look at those shoulders

[libtard]

Originally Posted by AForce

also there's no need for climbing lanes on the bridge which keeps traffic moving. cant really compare

So based on the fact that the new George Massey bridge will need climbing lanes, how many total lanes should the bridge have?

[officedweller]

That's why they had 10 lanes on the bridge.
2 were climbing lanes.
2 were HOV.
6 were general purpose.

You could probably get away with 8 lanes total.
2 were climbing lanes.
2 were HOV.
4 were general purpose.

But note that Alex Fraser, with the future reversible 7th lane, will have 4 lanes in the rush hour direction (i.e. equivalent to 8 total lanes).

Conceivably, they could also underbuild and use reversible lanes too, but I think the cost of widening the deck to add lanes was low relative to the total bridge cost (i.e. foundations, towers, etc.) and if the towers straddle the existing tunnel during construction, the towers can allow space for a wider deck. Could be underbuilt and expandable in future I guess, too.

[WarrenC12]

The AFB is also slow due to the right lanes effectively being "climbing lanes" for all of the trucks that cross it. Especially from the south side.

[officedweller]

Climbing trucks eastbound from Pacific Reach Business Park was also an issue at the old Port Mann Bridge (that's why the 5th lane was added eastbound).

[s211]

Originally Posted by libtard

So based on the fact that the new George Massey bridge will need climbing lanes, how many total lanes should the bridge have?

What new George Massey bridge? It's becoming more clear that it won't happen under the NDP's watch. I just don't see them caving on the issue.

[makr3trkr]

both the Port Mann and the Second Narrows (both eastbound) used to have signage prohibiting commercial vehicles from the far left lane

a lot of the problem at AFB is trucks cutting across at the bridgehead to get into the fast lane to save a few (perceived) seconds and causing compression waves behind them from everyone slamming on their brakes

[flipper316]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ment-1.4880210

Haven't had a story on the bridge in a while. Glad the anti highway crowd and hippies are still spewing the same bullshit as they tend to do in the comments section. Bunch of morons.

[Klazu]

How did the election changes impact the opinion on this project?

[s211]

Originally Posted by Klazu

How did the election changes impact the opinion on this project?

This project is dead under the NDP's watch. They've done a good job of burying the consultant report they'd engaged. There's not even a peep of it being on anyone's radar in either the media or political arenas.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Massey funds will be diverted to any overage created by going Skytrain in Surrey.

[flipper316]

https://www.richmond-news.com/news/r...nel-1.23511484

[Metro-One]

Glad that they want action, but seriously? Upgrading and twinning the existing tunnel over a competely new rebuild with a bridge? Why???

Do they not know that:

A. This will likely cost more (especially given the fact that the existing tunnel will still need to be replaced in a couple decades time even with upgrades).

B. Will likely cause the interchanges on either end to take up more surface space / land than a complete rebuild would.

C. Still will not allow dangerous goods to travel through.

D. Will lead to a cobbled “Frankenstein” road system on both ends of the tunnels.

E. The upgrades will likely still not be as safe as a new bridge seismically.

So again, where is the benefit of a twinned tunnel over say... an 8 lane bridge??

Also not to mention how tight the existing lanes are and how awful any pedestrian / cycling experience would be through the tunnels vs. a bridge.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Why???

Because politically, it reflects "less" change.

[waves]

It seems from that article Brodie knows something we don't somehow on the release of this elusive report. Maybe we will get to see it after all? Maybe not? Maybe there isn't even a report to begin with?

"Mayor Malcolm Brodie told the Richmond News that the technical review is expected to be completed and released by the end of the year"

[Migrant_Coconut]

Just a random thought - would the other mayors support a bridge if Delta agreed to drop the $5-6B of Highway 99 expansion in favour of smaller improvements and a SkyTrain to Ladner?

[M00dy]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Just a random thought - would the other mayors support a bridge if Delta agreed to drop the $5-6B of Highway 99 expansion in favour of smaller improvements and a SkyTrain to Ladner?

Maybe I'm out of the loop here, but what are you talking about?