NEW YORK | 200 Greenwich - 2 WTC | 1,270 FT | 80 FLOORS | ON HOLD

[Prezrezc]

Another hot big-time bidder is always welcome, especially since with Amazon a lot of other big cities are jockeying for position.

For instance, there's another thread about (IIR100%C) Houston banking its chances of getting one of its biggest towers in years on scoring the deal.

Naturally, in our case, the more candidates there are, the surer the odds that one of them will ultimately have to choose between here and the Yards.

[NYguy]

I think the area around Penn Station would be a better fit. There are millions of square feet of development to be built there, including 15 Penn, Moynihan, and other sites. It would fit in with Amazon's recent plan to take a large chunk of space at Manhattan West. Something like this would have to come from multiple developers. The WTC site of course is great. I would rather 2 WTC get Deutsche Bank though.

[Prezrezc]

Lest I derail the topic, I would think MTEast also to be a viable option, what with its emphasis as an office space target.

But let's hope DB makes the ::hint:: right choice ::/hint::.

[The Best Forumer]

Originally Posted by prageethSL

I like this one better...

[Prezrezc]

Yeah...try reinserting them...

[NYguy]

I still want Deutsche Bank here, but this is just one of a few sites being mentioned as a possible NY proposal for Amazon...



http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...w-york-deliver

Here's where Amazon could put HQ2 in NYC
The e-tailer has pledged $5 billion and 50,000 jobs to the city that wins its second headquarters. There is no shortage of interested bidders in the city


By Daniel Geiger
October 15, 2017

Real estate execs and business leaders say they are confident New York will be on Amazon's short list after bids for its second headquarters are submitted this week.

After all, the metropolitan area is Amazon's No. 1 sales market, and it's a priority for the company to grow its footprint here. The e-tailer last month leased 360,000 square feet at 5 Manhattan West on top of the 470,000 square feet it already occupies at 7 W. 34th St. In August the company committed to an 855,000-square-foot warehouse on Staten Island to serve as a "last mile" delivery facility.

While skeptics have argued that New York is too expensive to compete with less pricey areas of the country, several pockets of the city offer as-of-right subsidies that could significantly lower costs. Space at the World Trade Center, for instance, comes with a roughly $10-per-square-foot discount when factoring in tax-savings programs and other perks. The Relocation and Employment Assistance Program lowers business income taxes for companies that move jobs to northern Manhattan or the other four boroughs and the Industrial & Commercial Abatement Program lowers property taxes for certain uses depending on their location.

....."They're basically asking to occupy the equivalent of a fleet of huge Midtown skyscrapers," said Ken McCarthy, an economist at Cushman & Wakefield. "There has never been a requirement this large."

Business and political leaders from 23 neighborhoods threw their hat into the Amazon ring. The city's Economic Development Corp., which is coordinating New York's response to the RFP, was expected to winnow down the list to a handful of neighborhoods best equipped to meet Amazon's requirements. Through interviews with executives and city officials with knowledge of the process, Crain's has identified the leading contenders.

WORLD TRADE CENTER

The advantage here is that Amazon could have most of the place to itself. By occupying the roughly 2.5 million square feet of combined available space in 1 and 3 WTC, plus the additional 4.5 million square feet planned for the yet-to-be-built 2 and 5 WTC buildings, the company would be well on its way to reaching its long-range goal of 8 million square feet.

The remaining space could be sourced from dozens of nearby Class A buildings, whether just across the street at Brookfield Place or in the less expensive eastern section of the Financial District.

No other site in the country sits at a more robust nexus of mass transit, with connections to PATH trains, 14 subway lines—most accessible from the retail hub at the site's Oculus mall—and the Staten Island Ferry.

World Trade tenants are also entitled to a host of as-of-right benefits, including exemptions on the sales tax for construction materials, real estate and commercial rent taxes and electricity discounts that together would shave about $10 per square foot off rent over the life of the lease, according to Jeremy Moss, a leasing executive at Silverstein Properties.

[401PAS]

And what better image would there be for Amazon but a bunch of boxes stacked up on each other.... it's a no brain-er perfect fit!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by 401PAS

And what better image would there be for Amazon but a bunch of boxes stacked up on each other.... it's a no brain-er perfect fit!

That could work. But let's not forget it would be a second headquarters. I'm still hopeful for Deutsche Bank. Let Amazon go elsewhere.



https://therealdeal.com/2017/10/17/a...ings-mailroom/







From the MAS NIMBY study
https://www.mas.org/pdf/accidental-s...5-2017-web.pdf

[The-JVCcam96]

Here's a video of Bjarke Ingels discussing his design for Two World Trade Center in fine detail at a lecture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99mM39UOs8s

[CHI -21c]

^Thankfully, that's from 2015. How do we know it will still be BIG's design?

1. BIG was retained by 21st Century Fox who is out
2. it won't have news tickers anymore
3. the foundation for Foster's design is already there

All we have is this from Scott Rechler, vice-chairman of the Port:
"The work to figure out how to build on the site within the existing infrastructure was done," Rechler said. "A lot of the challenges were overcome and that is transferable when another tenant is secured."

I think BIG's would go down as some of the worst architecture in history. You know that every average Joe sees it as facetious, loud, monotonous, and would desecrate the site viewed from the north. Architecture is the face of civilization and this is the final tower. The rebuilding of ground zero is such a symbolic architectural statement.

Foster's design is dignified.

https://goo.gl/skzo8p

[SanDiegoGuy]

Originally Posted by CHI -21c

^Thankfully, that's from 2015. How do we know it will still be BIG's design?

You are right and I hope it isn't.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by CHI -21c

^Thankfully, that's from 2015.

Yes, and how many years before that was Foster's design again?

You folks have no reason to be expecting Foster's design to make a comeback. There is always a chance that it could, just as there is a chance we could end up with a completely different design. No reason to expect either though.

[chris08876]

I think an Amazon HQ at the complex would be great.

1) Good Transit
2) Obvious talent pool
3) Amenities and services that are demanded from such a F500 company.
4) Potential discount $ sq/ft
5) Plenty of space (current + planned) to meet their needs.
6) All consolidated in one general area

[jayden]

*sighs*

Hopefully we receive some good news in regards to Deutsche before the end of the year...

[artspook]

"You folks have no reason to be expecting Foster's design to make a comeback.
There is always a chance that it could, just as there is a chance we could end up
with a completely different design. No reason to expect either though." - NYguy

Fox, Amazon, Deutsche Bank . . who cares ! . .
just give us Americans a great building ! . .
keep complaining about the shitboxes people !
thats one way change happens !
We can & should expect the best.

[NYguy]

We've seen these before, but I always like looking at detailed models.


http://www.radiiinc.com/world-trade-...arious-scales/

[JMKeynes]

This tower is gorgeous. I hope that DB goes there.

[TREPYE]

AWFUL!! devoid of any architectural merit; unless you are a kindergartener playing with blocks.

Bereft of ANY sophistication.

[pico44]

To me the BIG design is very easily superior to Foster's. If we could get this built along with the performing arts center, then we'll have a great little modern square

[chris08876]

Hypothetically, would you guys accept a value engineered version of BIG's tower to make it feasible? Seems like its reached the point where just finishing or getting this location rising is good enough.