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an awkwardly massed, blue glass dud. not one of rodgers' best.
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an awkwardly massed, blue glass dud. not one of rodgers' best.
It's actually very nice in person.
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^ It is, but still too close to tower 4 for me.


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an awkwardly massed, blue glass dud. not one of rodgers' best.
It is nice in person. But any designer or artist will tell you that they hate to hear their work called, "nice."

This building could have been an icon.
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It is nice in person. But any designer or artist will tell you that they hate to hear their work called, "nice."

This building could have been an icon.
This tower, as it is, would be an icon in any US city other than NY. When the king's crown has so many amazing jewels, it's not easy to get attention.
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It is nice in person. But any designer or artist will tell you that they hate to hear their work called, "nice."

This building could have been an icon.
It’s not supposed to be an “icon,” it’s supposed to be part of a larger complex, of which 1WTC and the memorial are supposed to be the iconic elements. The design changes to this tower have resulted in a building that relates much better to the other parts of the complex, particularly the minimalist form of 4WTC next door. So many people criticize this tower for being unlike Rogers’s other work, but a typical dainty (for lack of a better descriptor) Rogers building would have been extremely out of place here. Yes, simplifying the design also benefited Silverstein and the Port Authority by making the building cheaper to construct, but the extra money would have been wasted on features that would have made it look overly busy and a poor relation to the other buildings in the complex. This tower as built is unapologetic about its bigness, as is appropriate for the scale of the WTC.
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Stated 100x more succinctly that I could have.

Just an additional note that may have a horse's bludgeoned corpse chained to it:

The idea to have everything in a tower complex laid out in "opposite" order (that is the shortest as the most striking, as if to convey the notion of increasing visual impact with vertical ascent), usually falls on its face.

But looking at the Four Towers as originally conceived, the idea described above would have indeed worked...to wit, the vaunted "Libeskindian upward spiral".

@PhyllisJerry71:

IMO perhaps we wouldn't be having this sidebar discussion if Lord Foster's original 200G design were still intact. His version's "four diamond" architecture seemed the perfect visual continuation of 175G's original quad-spire/X-brace motif...and these two would've obviously provided the link between WTC1 and 150G.

However, Bjarke's amazing 200G is somehow more "in keeping" with this tower's ostensibly calculated "dumbing down"/value engineering/whatever you wish.

As I've suggested before, from we have seen over the past decade and a half in this complex, reality has been known to stage an intervention or two.

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It’s not supposed to be an “icon,” it’s supposed to be part of a larger complex, of which 1WTC and the memorial are supposed to be the iconic elements. The design changes to this tower have resulted in a building that relates much better to the other parts of the complex, particularly the minimalist form of 4WTC next door. So many people criticize this tower for being unlike Rogers’s other work, but a typical dainty (for lack of a better descriptor) Rogers building would have been extremely out of place here. Yes, simplifying the design also benefited Silverstein and the Port Authority by making the building cheaper to construct, but the extra money would have been wasted on features that would have made it look overly busy and a poor relation to the other buildings in the complex. This tower as built is unapologetic about its bigness, as is appropriate for the scale of the WTC.

I agree with most of this, though I would have preferred this tower retained it's greater height, mainly because I think it's too similar in size to tower 4. If tower 4 had been on another sight, say tower 5, it would have more room to breath on its own. But still, this is primarily an office building that is a part of a larger complex, the World Trade Center. As far as the "spires", I could take it or leave it. Some people seem to want to have it both ways, depending on who you speak to, there are either too many spire elements or not enough on the city skyline. I don't think the WTC needs more, but it wouldn't hurt things overall. I'm pleased with what we have here, there is so much going on in this city, so much to compete with. This complex is still a force to be reckoned with, and when Tower 2 is complete it will become much more clear what we have here.
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