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Old Posted Nov 18, 2017, 1:52 AM
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There is going to be a pedestrian pathway in that tunnel for access from Tremblay Road.
Isn't there already a pedestrian pathway? It has been closed for a few years.
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The old pathway ran on the other side of the tunnel (on the inside of the curve, where the east-bound tracks now run). That way the sidewalk could easily go from Tremblay Road, through the tunnel, to the east-bound Transitway bus platform.

I'm not sure how the same, simple, pedestrian connections can be made with the current configuration within the tunnel:



Assuming that a path will be added (although the current grading doesn't look to me as if it supports that theory), it would likely be added on the outside of the curve, outside the (new?) pillars. Such a path would connect a fare gate to the west-bound platform to where? It would emerge from the tunnel between the tracks and the 417.

The old pathway was convenient for people to easily get to the Transitway station. When that path was removed, during the construction for the LRT, there were complaints. The City's response was to say that they would endeavour to make sure that the path would be replaced. I don't see that happening within this tunnel. I think that we can chalk this one up to another loss in the 'Ease of Access' column.

There used to be a paved pathway, near the 417 structure, from the sidewalk along the east side of St. Laurent up to a death-defying crossing of the 417 on-ramp and bus ramp, but that path got messed up during the widening of the 417 structure and has not been rebuilt. I have used that path a few times, but it is decidedly un-friendly. Also, the sidewalk over the bridge from Labelle Street isn't too bad until you get to the shopping centre end; at which time the 'sidewalk' disappears and pedestrians are abandoned to their own courage. The St. Laurent OLRT Station looks as if it will be solely for the use of OC Transpo customers transferring from/to buses and patrons of the shopping mall.

On an unrelated note: Notice that the 'catenary' in the tunnel is a suspended 'rod', and not wire.
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They must be using rigid catenary through the downtown tunnel as well then.
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The lack of detail on the website on the layout and configuration of the stations is odd to me. There was an announcement yesterday that the Feds were going to pay for a new pathway to connect the station to the "east side of st Laurent" -no maps, no details. I also find it odd that the only information on 2018 plans comes from the individual websites of city councillors.
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The lack of detail on the website on the layout and configuration of the stations is odd to me. There was an announcement yesterday that the Feds were going to pay for a new pathway to connect the station to the "east side of st Laurent" -no maps, no details. I also find it odd that the only information on 2018 plans comes from the individual websites of city councillors.
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yup. big time. as I posted under Confed Line East, and elsewhere earlier : Quote:
And as for pedestrian bridges at any and sundry of the stations, and as for the exact placement of the flyover, and, and, and, - remember - this is all the EA preliminaries designs. Undoubtedly much will change when the contract is awarded to one of the 3 finalist bidders, each of whom will undoubtedly have different takes on different design aspects in order to consolidate expenses, and save costs, and meet last last-minute detail changes, and, and, and, etc. IE: much is yet to change and be hidden to us, the unwashed proletariat who are best served in blissful ignorance <snarl><snort>. This was / is the case with Phase 1 ! Phooo !
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This has been the case since day 1 of the phase 1 contract in spades - no info, no detail, no idea, no concept, no nothin' ! and I cannot believe that it is strictly RTG's fault, but (horror) a conspiracy / collusion between them and the City, together, to avoid ALL commentary / complaint / conflict on the plans - like probably being able to point out at an early stage of planning the conflict of car / bus / pedestrian / bicycle at and on the Booth St. bridge / Pimisi station - but to take input from the untelligentsia - not bloody likely !

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The weird thing is that if the city reconstructs a road, two years in advance you know the location of every lane marker, paving stone and trash can. 7 months before the potential opening of the LRT it is guesses based on construction photos.
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What you don't know about, you can't complain about. When it opens, it's too late. Too bad, so sad. You should have commented earlier will be the response.
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OH yeah ! +1

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I think it comes down to Uhuniau's desire to have all downtown buses (OCTranspo and STO) stop at Rideau station to create a central transit hub where you can transfer from any bus to any bus. That is why he wants buses buses on Laurier to take a longer, more windy route yet he wants the STO buses to take a straighter but less convenient route.
I don't care if there's a single hub for OC *AND* STO buses, but there should be for all local OC routes within the core and adjacent areas, yes.
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Moving the 6/7 to Queen is good. It moves the routes closer to downtown destinations and it's a faster route due to less traffic.
Except that buses coming from the east still have to face the worst of the "traffic", from the Rideau Center to past the Chateau Laurier westbound, and navigate a vicious left turn, in order to access Queen.

Straight lines are good. I can't figure out why Ottawa developers, traffic planners, and transit planners, hate them so much.
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The weird thing is that if the city reconstructs a road, two years in advance you know the location of every lane marker, paving stone and trash can. 7 months before the potential opening of the LRT it is guesses based on construction photos.
Except, apparently, at Queen and Lyon?
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Except, apparently, at Queen and Lyon?
Plans were published last year.

http://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/doc...drawing_en.pdf

They have apparently been altered. I guess we're supposed to pray they don't alter them further.
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The lack of detail on the website on the layout and configuration of the stations is odd to me. There was an announcement yesterday that the Feds were going to pay for a new pathway to connect the station to the "east side of st Laurent" -no maps, no details. I also find it odd that the only information on 2018 plans comes from the individual websites of city councillors.
Interesting - announcement from whom?
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Interesting - announcement from whom?
Some backbench MP

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Plans were published last year.

http://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/doc...drawing_en.pdf

They have apparently been altered. I guess we're supposed to pray they don't alter them further.
My hope is that left turns will be prohibited on Queen St. at all times onto all streets (Lyon through O'Conner). Allowing left turns will make it a huge mess for all traffic (including buses). They could have separate green lights for east and west traffic, but that still slows things down. Better to have people go around the block, or better yet, use an alternate route (go the opposite direction on Queen and make a right turn).
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Ah - thanks!
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Construction Update
Week of NOVEMBER 16, 2017



In the underground stations, architectural work such as tiling, painting, and light installation is ongoing at Lyon Station while at Rideau, excavation continues for the TVS at the intersection of Rideau and William Streets. In the West, at Pimisi Station, crews are completing stairway posts and mullions for the glass walls, and in the East, testing and commissioning of the mechanical equipment at Blair Station continues.



Elevators being readied for service at Pimisi Station

West Stations

Tunney’s Pasture Station
Current activities include masonry work at the platform level as well as mechanical and electrical work. Crews are also busy waterproofing the roof deck and completing installation of windscreen posts. Sections of inter-track barrier and plinths for the track within the station are also being installed.

Bayview Station
At Bayview, crews form the plaza and curbs, work to complete elevator installations, and continue framing both in the upper and lower concourse area. The electrical and mechanical rough-ins continue as well. Landscaping continues to progress on the north and east sides of the station

Pimisi Station
Crews are completing stairway posts and the mullions for the glass walls. Other work includes installation of mechanical equipment as well as the voltage switch at the lower concourse level. Installation of porcelain panels proceeds in the lower concourse. The station’s five elevators are also being readied for service.



Crews work on the stairs at Parliament Station

Central Stations

Lyon Station cavern
Crews continue to work on the HVAC system, while pouring the floor topping for the HVAC room. Architectural work such as tiling, painting, and light installation is ongoing. In addition, plumbing installations, electrical conduit and masonry activities are all in progress as well.

Lyon Station west TVS
Work is now complete with grate installation to occur at the end of December. This area has been turned over for streetscaping.

Lyon Station east TVS
Nears completion with final waterproofing, pipe reinstatement and backfilling. The TVS grate will be placed over the shaft next week.

Parliament Station cavern
Work on the stairs is progressing along with rough-ins for the mezzanine, and arch rebar for the west TVS adit. Mechanical duct work is delivered this week and shotcrete activities continue for the west transition.

Parliament Station west entrance
At the integrated entrance, roofing continues as does escalator assembly and stair slab pours. Below ground, the formwork continues for the north wall and concrete pours take place for both the north and south walls.

Parliament Station east entrance
The tunnel adit is cured, stripped and cleaned this week and the remaining waterproofing for the adit connection occurs. Rebar is installed for the stair walls; concrete pours will occur at the end of the week. At the integrated entrance, work on the concrete structure continues.



Construction at the platform level is ongoing at uOttawa Station

Rideau Station cavern
Concourse slab formwork stripping advances alongside architectural work on top of the slab. In the tunnel, shotcrete continues for the transition, rebar is installed for the invert and conduit installation takes place for the east duct banks.

Rideau Station west entrance
Below ground, the arch formwork continues to be removed from the tunnel and upcoming work includes slab chipping and mechanical pipe relocation. Excavation continues for the TVS shaft.

Rideau Station east entrance
The TVS adit walls have been stripped and hoe-ramming and hand chipping will begin this week, continuing into the following weeks. Electrical work such as conduit installations and work on the TPSS systems proceeds, and so does insulating the utility rooms.

East Portal
Inside the tunnel, concrete pours and waterproofing continue for the arch. The headwall and mechanical room roofs are poured and backfilling occurs.

uOttawa Station
The porcelain panels along Nicholas will be installed over three weeks beginning at the end of November. Crews are also working on installing the windscreen posts and completing the measurements for glazing in the station. The new ramp for pedestrians will also open in the coming weeks.



Crews set the stage for the pedestrian pathway to Lees Station

East Stations

Lees Station
Crews will be at work installing windscreen bases and posts in addition to pavers and lighting. Framing and installation of the porcelain panels takes place at the platform level. Other work includes electrical rough-ins under the concourse area and completion of the signband rough-ins at the platform level.

Hurdman Station
Crews are working to put in the snowmelt cables as well as the mullions for the glass walls in the station. Installation of handrail posts is ongoing and so are elevator and escalator installations.

Tremblay Station
Installation of composite panels and snowmelts are ongoing. Other current works include installation of mullions for the exterior glazing wall and framing for the wood ceiling. The supports for the artwork are also onsite for installation.



Landscaping occurring north of Blair Station

St-Laurent Station
Current activities include placement of insulated panels. Silencers for the large fans in the tunnel ventilation system are on site for installation. Platform toppings are completed. Electrical work will be continuing through November.

Cyrville Station
Final grading is concluding. Other scheduled works include completion of the topping platform. Outside, demobilization and landscaping work will take place soon. Wood ceiling mockup is complete.

Blair Station
The wood ceiling framing has begun. Landscaping is taking place north of the station. Progress on the north side of the bus loop and the bus operator building progresses. Testing and commissioning of mechanical equipment is ongoing.



Testing progresses along this stretch of track by Tremblay Station

Guideway and Trackwork

Segment 2 activities are focused on trackwork at Parliament Station and on the track installation tie-in to the West Portal. At uOttawa Station, destressing continues on the west-bound ballasted track. In the West, the track teams are tamping a west-bound section of track near Pimisi Station while rail installation is currently taking place at Tunney’s Pasture.



Guideway at Lees Station where testing continues

Upcoming Construction Activities

In the coming weeks, the following construction activities are scheduled to occur:
  • West Portal sewer connection work.
  • Panel installation at uOttawa Station along Nicholas
  • uOttawa guideway sewer repairsSystems installation along the guideway, including OCS poles and wires
  • Station elevators and escalators installed at multiple stations
  • Construction of the Rideau Station west TVS
  • Rideau Station east entrance adit concourse slab pours
  • Rebar installation and forming the stair walls at Parliament Station east entrance
  • Finishing the paving work at the Hurdman bus loop
  • Complete the bus loop at Blair Station

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca...on-update-150/
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2017, 8:41 PM
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Last time I mentioned they started digging a new hole on the Bay side of Rideau someone said it was probably sometimes to do with utilities. This hole is huge. Looks more LRT related.

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It must be for a ventilation shaft, then, It's the only excavation left on site.

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Week of NOVEMBER 16, 2017

Rideau Station west entrance
Below ground, the arch formwork continues to be removed from the tunnel and upcoming work includes slab chipping and mechanical pipe relocation. Excavation continues for the TVS shaft.
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It must be for a ventilation shaft, then, It's the only excavation left on site.
They are looking for the van.
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