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Old Posted Jun 13, 2018, 2:17 PM
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June 16 here we come!

wasnt the grand opening delayed to sometime in late July or August?
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This state and country has got to seriously get its shit together. All of this time (decades of planning), effort, money (the most expensive transit station in the world), construction, traffic jams, for what is essentially an AC transit bus stop? And no plans for any other type of modal service for at least 2 more decades? Shameful. Park looks great though.
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Not from SF... Just curious if any Muni trolleybus lines will serve base of the Transbay Terminal (yes, that's its' name) ?
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Not from SF... Just curious if any Muni trolleybus lines will serve base of the Transbay Terminal (yes, that's its' name) ?
Muni buses will indeed serve the base of the Salesforce Transit Center starting Saturday June 16! Grand opening of the entire building is August.
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^What about specifically trolleybus routes?
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This state and country has got to seriously get its shit together. All of this time (decades of planning), effort, money (the most expensive transit station in the world), construction, traffic jams, for what is essentially an AC transit bus stop? And no plans for any other type of modal service for at least 2 more decades? Shameful. Park looks great though.
Where are you getting that the additional services are at least two decades out? Not sure if that's just exaggeration or you're referencing an updated calendar.

My take is that they could get CalTrain in there in less than a decade and HSR shortly after, pending that separate but current construction timeline. Hyperloop + Starfleet Spaceport, on the other hand, might be closer to 2 decades out.
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^What about specifically trolleybus routes?
I don't know what you mean by trolleybus, I have not heard that term used in San Francisco. If you are simply referring to buses with overhead wires, then yes they are starting in two days (see posts 3105, 3107). If you are talking about buses on tracks (street cars) then no there are no tracks nearby. If you are referring to cable cars then no there are no cable lines near here.

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Considering how wealthy San Francisco is I do not see why people have to repeat that this terminal is so expensive. It is really not. The costs are spread over a decade for a building that will be used for at least 50 years. Any station that is going to serve that many people for such a long period is going to be expensive beyond imagination for most individuals, but we are talking about millions of people visiting and spending money nearby in a neighborhood that was essentially barren ten years ago.

The positive impact of this station over the next several decades is far beyond the cost to taxpayers. I seriously doubt that SF could have the four tallest buildings in SF built in such close proximity if the city was not bold and did not do the hard work for ten years to create something this important out of thin air. If you look at this and only see a bus terminal and a park then you are missing the tens of thousands of high salary taxpaying workers that now pay into the city's coffers, who could just as easily be working in LA/Seattle/NYC instead.
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^Thanks. But I'm not sure how you don't know that buses powered by overhead electric lines are and have always been called trolleybuses and/or trackless trolleys. Perhaps what you mean is in SF at least they are just colloquially known as a bus regardless of whether they are powered by overhead electricity of diesel?
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I simply have never heard anyone in SF refer to it as a trolleybus. Only MUNI, bus, electric bus, or the line number.
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Ok, fair enough. It must be the difference between the technical term and the colloquial term. I figured that was the case. I'm sure most transit riders in any city with trolleybuses/trackless trolleys/trolley coaches/electric buses just refer to it as a bus, it's mode of propulsion irrelevant to the majority of laymen.
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Ok, fair enough. It must be the difference between the technical term and the colloquial term. I figured that was the case. I'm sure most transit riders in any city with trolleybuses/trackless trolleys/trolley coaches/electric buses just refer to it as a bus, it's mode of propulsion irrelevant to the majority of laymen.
I was just going to say, I’ve definitely seen/read the term trolleybus and knew what you meant, but have never heard it on the street. If you used it, people would think you were some weird transit nerd or something
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Ok, fair enough. It must be the difference between the technical term and the colloquial term. I figured that was the case. I'm sure most transit riders in any city with trolleybuses/trackless trolleys/trolley coaches/electric buses just refer to it as a bus, it's mode of propulsion irrelevant to the majority of laymen.
The trolleybus routes serving the Salesforce Transit Center will be the 5/5R-Fulton (Rapid), and 6-Parnassus (in the near future)

Two of the five lanes are equipped with trolley wires.
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That's what I was looking for. Thanks.
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So today I took a ride on the "trolleybus" known as the 5R to the Transit Center to see how it went. I think the city is going to have to make some changes in something--basically the bus is routed to turn off Market St. onto 1st to Mission, then left on Mission for 2 blocks to Beale, right on Beale to the Transit Center's easternmost entrance. My bus got stopped on Market trying to make the turn onto a very traffic-choked 1st St for what seemed like 15 minutes. Cars from across (Battery St.) kept "blocking the box" on Market preventing us from turning and even once we did the Market to Mission block was gridlocked. Once we made the turn onto Mission, the traffic was still heavy but we moved slowly along. I can't say why we didn't go all the way to Beale before turning off Market.

Once we arrived, the Transit Center looked nice and ready to go:



For some reason, there is a rock implanted in the sidewalk--looks like it is to have an explanatory plaque which hasn't yet been installed:



It should say, "This is what isn't under the Millennium Tower next door which is why there is all the heavy equipment around it doing something to keep it from falling over:


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So today I took a ride on the "trolleybus" known as the 5R to the Transit Center to see how it went. I think the city is going to have to make some changes in something--basically the bus is routed to turn off Market St. onto 1st to Mission, then left on Mission for 2 blocks to Beale, right on Beale to the Transit Center's easternmost entrance. My bus got stopped on Market trying to make the turn onto a very traffic-choked 1st St for what seemed like 15 minutes. Cars from across (Battery St.) kept "blocking the box" on Market preventing us from turning and even once we did the Market to Mission block was gridlocked. Once we made the turn onto Mission, the traffic was still heavy but we moved slowly along. I can't say why we didn't go all the way to Beale before turning off Market.

Once we arrived, the Transit Center looked nice and ready to go:



For some reason, there is a rock implanted in the sidewalk--looks like it is to have an explanatory plaque which hasn't yet been installed:



It should say, "This is what isn't under the Millennium Tower next door which is why there is all the heavy equipment around it doing something to keep it from falling over:


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Not sure if it's your exposure but it looks rather dark in there. Are they going to do anything to improve the lighting?
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Ok, fair enough. It must be the difference between the technical term and the colloquial term. I figured that was the case. I'm sure most transit riders in any city with trolleybuses/trackless trolleys/trolley coaches/electric buses just refer to it as a bus, it's mode of propulsion irrelevant to the majority of laymen.
The overhead wires are so ubiquitous in the city that they just blend in and most locals don’t even notice them. I took a line today that I don’t often take, and I couldn’t tell you whether it was diesel or overhead electric. The only time you ever notice which type you are on is when the poles come detached from the overhead wires and the bus dies, and you have to sit there while the driver gets out and reattaches them.
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Or the fact the electric is significantly more quiet than the diesel, no?
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Almost all, if not all, of the diesels are hybrids now, and are pretty quiet. Generally the constant shaking of the bus from all the potholes is the loudest aspect of a ride and overwhelms any engine noise.
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