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Old Posted Dec 12, 2010, 5:35 AM
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A child entering grade one when the NDP first took power eleven years ago and set to graduate high school next year would be better off in Saskatchewan than in Manitoba. Over time, Manitoba has fallen behind Saskatchewan in creating better higher paying jobs, cutting taxes, and providing opportunity.

Turf these bastards next October!
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A child entering grade one when the NDP first took power eleven years ago and set to graduate high school next year would be better off in Saskatchewan than in Manitoba. Over time, Manitoba has fallen behind Saskatchewan in creating better higher paying jobs, cutting taxes, and providing opportunity.

Turf these bastards next October!
Manitoba hasn't fallen behind. We've enjoyed our most prosperous period in a long time. It's simply that we haven't found potash and vast amounts of oil. We can't be blamed for that...though I'm sure you'll attempt to.

The reality is, there's nothing that the PC party can do to change anything. They can't lower taxes significantly, they can't cut spending significantly, and they can't improve economic growth without improvement in the US economy.
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Manitoba hasn't fallen behind. We've enjoyed our most prosperous period in a long time. It's simply that we haven't found potash and vast amounts of oil. We can't be blamed for that...though I'm sure you'll attempt to.

The reality is, there's nothing that the PC party can do to change anything. They can't lower taxes significantly, they can't cut spending significantly, and they can't improve economic growth without improvement in the US economy.
Manitoba balances 40+ percent of its budget on the backs of transfer payments. When the Conservatives left in '99 that number was closer to 35%.

If the NDP didn't have Hydro to raid, taxes would have had to go up significantly over the last 10 years.

Especially when you decide as a government to do stupid and costly things to please left-wing idealogues like building Bi-Pole 3 on the wrong side of Lake Winnipeg, or insisting that all labour on the floodway expansion project be unionized to bring in SpenDP votes.
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do u remember the mess the healthcare system was in when the ndp took over
thats bit costly
u know about the 500million the ndp is pooring into music
the money its pooring into small buisnes start up programs?

not the best time for government change concidering the options we have stick with what we got and work with them to fix the problems sleinger is sorting the mess
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2010, 4:07 PM
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I was looking at the old tory budgets in the 90's and in 1998 for example transfer payments amounted to 29% of our budget and today it's 40% showing how the NDP can't help itself when it comes to spending. Also how is our health system any better we spend by far more than any other province on it yet we still have super long wait times and many mishaps for the last few years with botched cancer treatments on the wrong patient and people waiting at HSC until they die.What Manitoba and Canada needs is yes a two tier system of helath care. Canadians are too afraid of it because it means U.S. health care but it does not. Australia has one France, Germany and theirs are much better than ours. There was a very good article in the globe a couple weeks ago about how Canada needs to adopt a two tier system like Australia's because we are such similar types of nations. Here is the link:

http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servle...EFFREY+SIMPSON
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For example, the the Rocky Mountain Parks in Alberta and BC have a world heritage site designation and there is the town of Banff in the middle of it!
Banff is very environmentally responsible to maintain that designation. It can be lost; two places in Germany lost it about a year ago.

The reason that part of the Boreal is being considered is because it is unblemished. Except for some First Nations and limited forestry activity, it's very much intact. Building high voltage corridors (not just the one in Manitoba but the one connecting Manitoba to Toronto) will disrupt the environment.

I'm not really sure what benefits aside from bragging rights come from the UNESCO designation though.
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the bi poll should go on the west side of lake manitoba
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the bi poll should go on the west side of lake manitoba
What is your reasoning for that? Just to piss off voters in Western Manitoba?
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What is your reasoning for that? Just to piss off voters in Western Manitoba?
or conect it to the sask grid and sell to alberta witch would mean less coal being burned
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If you put it on the eastern side and connect it to Ontario, you would save coal as well. It would also give connect Northern Ontario to another grid giving us the ability to export our energy, to bring our prices down. They're currently close to double the prices in Manitoba. (Of course, we have five corporations working "together" to make and provide energy, each with a multi-million dollar salary CEO; you guys have one.) Hell, build both and we'll have an even better grid. Northern Ontario and Manitoba have the ability to produce far more power than we'll ever need, we should capitalize on this. First Nations here are generating their own electricity at their own dams. Manitoba's FNs can do the same, and the grid would be right there to connect their projects. It will bring them revenue.

First Nations here want the hydro corridor to go through their area and are fighting over it. I honestly find it surprising that reserves east of Lake Winnipeg are so uptight about this project, even if money is an issue.
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1ajs, what is your reasoning for bipole going down the west side...
I ask this because i know someone who works at Hydro and was involved in the study of where to put bipole, and the cheapest and easiest route is east of the lake. I would like your take on why it should go west.
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if u can't go east then go far west because it should not be run beside the curent lines
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Manitoba balances 40+ percent of its budget on the backs of transfer payments. When the Conservatives left in '99 that number was closer to 35%.
That has nothing to do with the provinces. Almost every province has seen increased transfers (only Sask and N+L have not) because the transfer programs have increased. The Canada Health Transfer and the Canada Social Transfer have grown for all provinces. We're actually less dependent on Equalization than we were before. The total transfer number is misleading.

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If the NDP didn't have Hydro to raid, taxes would have had to go up significantly over the last 10 years.
And what would the PCs have done different?
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2010, 5:51 AM
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Australia has one France, Germany and theirs are much better than ours. There was a very good article in the globe a couple weeks ago about how Canada needs to adopt a two tier system like Australia's because we are such similar types of nations.
That's debatable. Canada is rated as one of the highest in the world for prevention of death and health outcomes, despite other problems that may exist. Anyway, switching away from the NDP isn't going to make healthcare better, and switching to two tier isn't going to make it cheaper or better. There are multitude of reasons.
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JMT your just plain wrong, in the late 90's transfer payments as a % of our provincial budget were 29% today it's 40%. Yes transfers have gone up but with the current budgeting we have made ourselves much more reliant on them just compare the 1998 budget to today's and you will see the difference. Also Canada's health system is unsustainable with the baby boomers getting old and the costs rising each year and it eating up over 40% of budgets for every province there will have to be changes very soon. Two tier will have to done soon because it will alllow wealthier paitients to access service in the private system thus reducing pressure on the public system. Is it perfect no but no system is and the current one can't pay for itself for much longer because there will be no money for any other programs.
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Two tier will have to done soon because it will alllow wealthier paitients to access service in the private system thus reducing pressure on the public system.
Where do we get the doctors for it? How do we prevent the doctors we have from leaving the system we have?

Most countries with good health care systems do use a two tier system, but how do you do it while maintaining the equality of access?

If you look at it from another perspective, it would be like having a health care system for poor people, and forcing those with more money (middle and upper class) to pay their own way, and provide funds for the public system.
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Banff is very environmentally responsible to maintain that designation. It can be lost; two places in Germany lost it about a year ago.

The reason that part of the Boreal is being considered is because it is unblemished. Except for some First Nations and limited forestry activity, it's very much intact. Building high voltage corridors (not just the one in Manitoba but the one connecting Manitoba to Toronto) will disrupt the environment.

I'm not really sure what benefits aside from bragging rights come from the UNESCO designation though.
There are almost 1000 world heritage sites (WHS). Only one in Germany lost its designation. Dresden is only the second property ever to have been removed from the World Heritage List. The Oman´s Arabian Oryx Sanctuary was delisted in 2007.

Environmentally friendly or not (tour buses, stores, hotels) the Town of Banff has way more environmental impact (especially being located in the most valuable wildlife habitat and corridor, the Bow Valley, in the area) than a powerline will have on the east side of Manitoba. Plus there is also Jasper, Lake Louise, Field and Jasper townsites. How do you think those areas get power. The WHS is littered with power lines all over. Plus there are major highways throughout, as well as lodge style accomadations everywhere. So you may wish to reconsider your argument Vid.

You are correct in your guess that the only benefit to being a WHS is the bragging rights. I do not think that is worth the $300 million in construction costs and the 100s of millions in the cost of lost power through electricty trickle that will occur over the lifetime of the project to run the line on the West side.

Also the corridor connecting Manitoba to Ontario would be well south of the proposed WHS.
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Some UNESCO sites are factories. It doesn't have to be pristine, it has to exemplify something, and what the Boreal Forest exemplifies will be destroyed if a high voltage corridor runs through it.

There are various criteria to become a UNESCO site, the parks in the Rockies fit. A chunk of the Boreal with a hydro corridor in it doesn't.
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JMT your just plain wrong, in the late 90's transfer payments as a % of our provincial budget were 29% today it's 40%. Yes transfers have gone up but with the current budgeting we have made ourselves much more reliant on them just compare the 1998 budget to today's and you will see the difference.
Umm, no I'm not wrong, you simply ignored everything I said.

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Also Canada's health system is unsustainable with the baby boomers getting old and the costs rising each year and it eating up over 40% of budgets for every province there will have to be changes very soon. Two tier will have to done soon because it will alllow wealthier paitients to access service in the private system thus reducing pressure on the public system. Is it perfect no but no system is and the current one can't pay for itself for much longer because there will be no money for any other programs.
I'm not sure you're understanding the problem. The problem is the rise in cost. The problem is, no matter private or public, the same people pay for care. The problem is that introducing profit doesn't make things cheaper. As long as health care costs are rising faster than economic growth, there's a problem, private or public.
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theres profit being made in the system allready...
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