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Old Posted Mar 17, 2016, 1:02 AM
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totally agree...its some kind of moral victory that the police got only triple the rate of inflation increases instead of quadruple like they were demanding....and in response they use fear mongering tactics.....when do we start talking about wages that don't make traffic cops top 5% wage earners in the country?...or pensions based on overtime....
I'm with ya. Pensionable overtime is, to use kind words, interesting.

I respect the job that a constable has to do, but a sobering conversation AND action plan is a necessity.
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A while back they put concrete barriers on the west side of the building. This week they did the same on the east side.
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A while back they put concrete barriers on the west side of the building. This week they did the same on the east side.
Bizarre that they bothered doing it now since they can probably start putting the bollards up in a month.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2016, 1:01 PM
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So the cost of the new renovated WPS headquarters is at $214 million or already $4 million more than it cost to build Investors Group Field ($210.M), wouldn't $214 M have built a very nice brand new state of the art police headquarters?
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So the cost of the new renovated WPS headquarters is at $214 million or already $4 million more than it cost to build Investors Group Field ($210.M), wouldn't $214 M have built a very nice brand new state of the art police headquarters?
In reality that old Canada post building is brand new now. All they saved was the shell. Stupid idea in the first place. But never the less it's done.
It just mind boggles me how the police need more money.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2016, 2:23 PM
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^ Just think about it, the biggest and most extravagant office tower in town, Manitoba Hydro Place, (built to LEED super-platinum specs that no private sector developer would touch, etc.) cost $278 million.

When you think about it in those terms, the cost of our supposedly economy-priced renovated police HQ is just astonishing. At least it (hopefully) won't exceed the $585 million that the new air terminal cost...
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2016, 7:10 PM
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Police and fire accounted for 29% of city budget ten years ago, 45% today, 4-7% annual increases in WPS, WFPS yearly no problem, sustainable never in a million years, who cares (Winnipeg mayor and goofy council)

Scraps for the homeless= 0

Funding for homeless projects and money spent on the poor doesn't get your picture in the media, greeting Syrian refugees does!
Edmonton is 8% for fire service, 15% for police as a comparison. Our city has some unique challenges that would probably end up with those services accounting for more of the budget (and I'm not sure if Edmonton uses their firefighters as triage paramedics too), but double seems excessive.

The bullying of the public with the "more cops=less crime" is sad too. There are some relatively small programs that the police are involved in and run in the city that are outreach, but I'd wager that spending on anything that could be considered crime prevention wouldn't come close to 5% of their overall budget.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2016, 9:33 PM
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They are all overpaid. And no one should be able to retire after 25 years. Give me a break.
All these cops are living the good life in large home and fancy cars while real heroes like the military get shafted.
I'd like to see these cops put their arses for real on the line DAILY like our soldiers do and then come back home to be fucked over.

They all need to have their salary cut in half. Sell the tank as well.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2016, 6:34 AM
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They are all overpaid. And no one should be able to retire after 25 years. Give me a break.
All these cops are living the good life in large home and fancy cars while real heroes like the military get shafted.
I'd like to see these cops put their arses for real on the line DAILY like our soldiers do and then come back home to be fucked over.

They all need to have their salary cut in half. Sell the tank as well.
I would venture to guess that at least 30% of WPS personnel live outside Winnipeg and don't pay a dime in city property taxes!
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They are all overpaid. And no one should be able to retire after 25 years. Give me a break.
All these cops are living the good life in large home and fancy cars while real heroes like the military get shafted.
I'd like to see these cops put their arses for real on the line DAILY like our soldiers do and then come back home to be fucked over.

They all need to have their salary cut in half. Sell the tank as well.
Right on! Let's do it! Just don't start crying when most of our police officers leave for other cities where they get the same or better pay than they were getting here. You don't seem to grasp that they have to pay a police officer a Canadian market rate for their service. Otherwise they will go where the pay is better and we won't be able to retain their services.
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Right on! Let's do it! Just don't start crying when most of our police officers leave for other cities where they get the same or better pay than they were getting here. You don't seem to grasp that they have to pay a police officer a Canadian market rate for their service. Otherwise they will go where the pay is better and we won't be able to retain their services.
Really, 1,500 officers are suddenly going to start leaving for Calgary, Red Deer and Grande Prairie? Good luck to them with that. And they'll be mighty disappointed when they see their increased pay packets are eaten up by increased housing costs there vs. their exurban lots in Oakbank or wherever they all live.

The funny thing is that the city bought the argument made above, as if there wasn't a near limitless supply of reasonably fit and intelligent 18-30 year olds ready and willing to step up if the current complement of officers took off for somewhere else to earn more money. Cops aren't exactly doctors where there is a limited number minted each year and each jurisdiction has to fight for them... you can be a cop with a high school diploma, for cripes sake.
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Right on! Let's do it! Just don't start crying when most of our police officers leave for other cities where they get the same or better pay than they were getting here. You don't seem to grasp that they have to pay a police officer a Canadian market rate for their service. Otherwise they will go where the pay is better and we won't be able to retain their services.
You think it's that easy for a police officer to move from one city to the next, do you think they transfer rank!

I personally know two people who have done this and it was basically like starting over from level 1.

The RCMP has trouble retaining officers in the lower mainland where they are basically an urban police force because you basically need a second job to be able to afford to live there.

No way should any officer make $94K in five years in a market like Winnipeg.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2016, 4:26 PM
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You think it's that easy for a police officer to move from one city to the next, do you think they transfer rank!

I personally know two people who have done this and it was basically like starting over from level 1.

The RCMP has trouble retaining officers in the lower mainland where they are basically an urban police force because you basically need a second job to be able to afford to live there.

No way should any officer make $94K in five years in a market like Winnipeg.
RCMP are currently 900 officers short nationwide. They can't hire and retain them.

Regardless, WPS pay rates have been set by binding arbitration for years. People here are blaming council for agreeing to pay them what they're asking and their hands are tied. Good luck changing that. Any reduction in what it costs for policing in Winnipeg need to be found through cost savings in areas other than wages so stop beating a dead horse. Ways of reducing overtime would be be one. Other ideas?
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So the cost of the new renovated WPS headquarters is at $214 million or already $4 million more than it cost to build Investors Group Field ($210.M), wouldn't $214 M have built a very nice brand new state of the art police headquarters?
Imagine how many 25 story high rises you can get for that. Right down the street in fact...

http://www.ft3.ca/projects/housing/h...ageLanding.php
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RCMP are currently 900 officers short nationwide. They can't hire and retain them.

Regardless, WPS pay rates have been set by binding arbitration for years. People here are blaming council for agreeing to pay them what they're asking and their hands are tied. Good luck changing that. Any reduction in what it costs for policing in Winnipeg need to be found through cost savings in areas other than wages so stop beating a dead horse. Ways of reducing overtime would be be one. Other ideas?
Chris Christy style union busting.
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RCMP are currently 900 officers short nationwide. They can't hire and retain them.

Regardless, WPS pay rates have been set by binding arbitration for years. People here are blaming council for agreeing to pay them what they're asking and their hands are tied. Good luck changing that. Any reduction in what it costs for policing in Winnipeg need to be found through cost savings in areas other than wages so stop beating a dead horse. Ways of reducing overtime would be be one. Other ideas?
I'm blaming the police union for their fear mongering. When your budget goes up by almost $17M in one year. And it's not enough!!!! One year they need a $20M increase.
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Ways of reducing overtime would be be one. Other ideas?
You mean like having lower paid cadets handle crowd/traffic control and events, direct traffic when lights are out and monitor crime scenes to keep them secure? Good thing they aren't on the chopping block by WPS to find "savings".
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You mean like having lower paid cadets handle crowd/traffic control and events, direct traffic when lights are out and monitor crime scenes to keep them secure? Good thing they aren't on the chopping block by WPS to find "savings".
Thing is that was suppose to save money. But they kept giving birth to more regular police at the same time. So in reality the cadets were just an added expense.
Police need to stop spending on themselves. Union or not we the city pay for those fancy salaries. The union can pound it's little hands all they want. If their is no money then they Union and police will have to find ways to save. If they chose to slash people's careers so they can keep their over paid salaries. Then that's on them. Not the city.

There was a city in the USA. Forget which. It was on Forbes once and they had a police force spending out of control. It almost bankrupted the city. They as in the city cut off the feeding tube of money. The police restructured and now it's a lean police force that actually does more with less then the bloated one that was in place before.
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As I understand the way the police contract is, there is a 1 to 1 ratio of layoffs for cadets to constables. From what I read the cadet division could be eliminated. The city could have up to 200 but are around the 40 mark right now.

If the city gets rid of 40 constables then all the lower priced cadets are gone.
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Apparently, materials marked for Winnipeg Police headdquarters were used for construction of a church in the South end of the city. Here's the link from the CBC:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...uary-1.3501074

The plot thickens.
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