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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 5:44 PM
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There are a couple of them; the best places actually get training directly from Intelligentsia staff (or Metropolis) or have people who used to work there and are equally as dedicated. One of them, Wormhole, also has some national notoriety, in part because of its extensive '80s pop culture decor, including an actual whole DeLorean car in the front window souped up to match the time machine in Back to the Future. A must if you're giving a tour to any visitors...
Oh, cool. I'm familiar with Filter, Swim, and Atomic but never had an exceptional coffee at any of them (although, as I mentioned, all three have a great eclectic vibe.) I'll have to check out Wormhole!

At any rate it sounds like Intelly is seriously considering an Ashland/Division shop.
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 6:20 PM
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1029 W Madison - Shafer Condon Carter Update

Taken Today 2/29/2012, This is the first time I've seen the new cornice, not sure when it went up.







I'm definitely loving this reno. More of this all over the city, please.
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 6:40 PM
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Taken Today 2/29/2012, This is the first time I've seen the new cornice, not sure when it went up.

I'm definitely loving this reno. More of this all over the city, please.
Cornice went up about a month or so ago. This building cleaned up very nicely, the ground floor retail and facade work is taking forever though. In the time they have been working on that, CA23 phase 2 went from gravel to well above ground.
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 6:47 PM
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Cornice went up about a month or so ago. This building cleaned up very nicely, the ground floor retail and facade work is taking forever though. In the time they have been working on that, CA23 phase 2 went from gravel to well above ground.
From what I've seen following the architect's updates on Facebook, the ad agency's space in the upper floors was looking just about finished along with the cornice going up back in January.

Could be possible that the ground floor retail spaces, and therefore subsequently their portions of the facade (depending on the lease structure), weren't entirely leased out before the overall project got going, leaving that work to lag behind.
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Taken Today 2/29/2012, This is the first time I've seen the new cornice, not sure when it went up.







I'm definitely loving this reno. More of this all over the city, please.
I think every building of this style and age needs to preserved and restored. We don't have enough of these. There's a narrower, but similar one like this on Clyborn on what I believe is the new site (formerly Division) that Target is choosing. Hoping that building will be incorporated and see a second life.
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 7:12 PM
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The metal panels seem to have a sharp bevel, top & bottom to help shed water, barely visible in these pics. Pardon the low res & the mystery hand.

I like those lit tables^







What a superb design. This is exactly what I was hoping this would be. I think this is really going to energize that corner and shape the public space.

On the lit tables btw, Just had a presentation today and saw something almost identical that was backlit ore glass.
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 9:18 PM
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I think every building of this style and age needs to preserved and restored. We don't have enough of these. There's a narrower, but similar one like this on Clyborn on what I believe is the new site (formerly Division) that Target is choosing. Hoping that building will be incorporated and see a second life.
Yeah, I agree. I know this building type isn't unique to Chicago, but, IMO, it is quintessentially Chicago; tripartite organization of the relatively flat/planar façade (base, 'shaft,' 'crown') was a key feature of Sullivan's design philosophy. Stripped of its cornice, these buildings are incomplete.
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 9:57 PM
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I think every building of this style and age needs to preserved and restored. We don't have enough of these. There's a narrower, but similar one like this on Clyborn on what I believe is the new site (formerly Division) that Target is choosing. Hoping that building will be incorporated and see a second life.
I am whole heartedly with you on that. I wish there were blocks and blocks of this style of buidling. I believe their were quite a few destroyed via the riots and urban "renewal"

The buidling form is just SO MUCH superior to the ersatz 4-5 story condos building that have popped all over the city over the last decade or so
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 10:04 PM
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Is the ground floor of the Madison reno going to be modernized or is it just being worked on and then restored to what it was?
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 10:06 PM
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I think every building of this style and age needs to preserved and restored. We don't have enough of these. There's a narrower, but similar one like this on Clyborn on what I believe is the new site (formerly Division) that Target is choosing. Hoping that building will be incorporated and see a second life.
Target's still opening on Division. The Clybourn site was purchased by Target, then swapped to CHA so Target could get the deed to the Division site.

They did this land swap either because CHA is prohibited to sell its land to private owners outright, or because it thought a outright sale would be too politically thorny.

So you need to worry about CHA if you're concerned about preservation. BTW, the sign in the window of that building reads "F. Hyman & Co, Mfg. of Cotton Felt".
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 10:25 PM
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Is the ground floor of the Madison reno going to be modernized or is it just being worked on and then restored to what it was?
I'm not totally sure I understand the question but here is the rendering. It looks like they are going to rebuild some period style woodwork perhaps. Tough to tell.

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I wanted to see what this building looked like pre rehab.

Holey crap, lucky this one was saved.

Thank you http://www.schafercondoncarter.com/

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Old Posted Feb 29, 2012, 11:07 PM
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The buidling form is just SO MUCH superior to the ersatz 4-5 story condos building that have popped all over the city over the last decade or so
I'm not sure exactly what your point is. Buildings like this aren't very practical for residential use. Spanning lot line to lot line, they have only 16 windows total for 8000 sq ft floorplates.
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I'm not sure exactly what your point is. Buildings like this aren't very practical for residential use. Spanning lot line to lot line, they have only 16 windows total for 8000 sq ft floorplates.
I believe that wasn't a building specific comment. It was in regard to the architectural style...which is applied to buildings of all shapes and sizes during that time.

Many of these have been torn down.

Some of these have been torn down for the type of development on either side of this building.
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I'm not sure exactly what your point is. Buildings like this aren't very practical for residential use. Spanning lot line to lot line, they have only 16 windows total for 8000 sq ft floorplates.
That's a rediculous comment. These buildings weren't built to be residential and the cookie cutter crap boxes like the one next door don't do much better. They add maybe 4 windows per floor which all face blank brick walls anyhow and are usually glass block anyhow. This building could easily be retro fitted by cutting out a light port in the middle or sides if it was really that big of deal.

However, it's not that big of a deal which is why tons of these have been converted to lofts. And, as Hayward said, you are taking this specific building and applying it to all in this style. Plenty of buildings like this were built to the lot line in the front and sides, but not all the way to the alley which greatly shortens the depth of the floors from the windows.

Also, I might be missing something, but how is this 8,000 SF? It looks like two city lots to me which would be 6,250 SF a floor, not 8,000.
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^I just couldn't understand the point you were making. It seemed like saying "I'd rather look at a bookcase than a lawnmower." They're designed for completely different purposes and hard to convert.

This building was designed for belt-driven manufacturing in the walking-city era. It's 120 feet front to back, with no windows at all on the sides. I want to see it preserved, too, but it's really hard to convert to anything except loft office and there's only so much market for that in most neighborhoods.

It appears to be 48 feet (two lots) wide. Sorry, I had guessed 72. So the floorplates are only 5,760 sq. ft. Still, that's a very tough residential layout to do with only 16 windows.
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Wow, what a beautiful rehab on that Holden building. Wish every building like that could be saved instead of being torn down, which happens way too often.
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An article about the casino that will most certainly get built in Chicago (hopefully sooner than later). It is regarding a forum of experts that CAF and the Reader put together.

They bring up some good ideas, including putting the casino in either the Old Main Post Office, the Thompson center and even the top floors of Macy's on State Street. Noticeably missing is Block 37. I suppose, best of all though:

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“Chicago’s [casino], should it come to fruition, will certainly be in or adjacent to the central business district, reachable on foot and by mass transit from Loop hotels, restaurants, offices and theaters, as well as the city’s massive convention complex on Lake Michigan south of downtown.”
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"Chicago ought to aspire to drive [nearby casinos] out of business by building something where James Bond would want to [be seen]".
I think the best idea would be a casino to kick start the post office redevelopment, paired with a huge mall and hotel (and probably not that ridiculous tower) and free transit to the loop. Although the Post office isn't very pedestrian friendly for people in the loop, it is the sort of building I could see James Bond at. The Thompson center, though beautiful, is not very James Bond.

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^I just couldn't understand the point you were making. It seemed like saying "I'd rather look at a bookcase than a lawnmower." They're designed for completely different purposes and hard to convert.

This building was designed for belt-driven manufacturing in the walking-city era. It's 120 feet front to back, with no windows at all on the sides. I want to see it preserved, too, but it's really hard to convert to anything except loft office and there's only so much market for that in most neighborhoods.

It appears to be 48 feet (two lots) wide. Sorry, I had guessed 72. So the floorplates are only 5,760 sq. ft. Still, that's a very tough residential layout to do with only 16 windows.
I didn't make the original point that you were responding to, but I still disagree that it is that hard to convert as I've seen plenty of these types of buildings converted to residential lofts.

You have a good point that this building is probably a little tougher than most because of its depth, but even then it would be simple to demolish a light court in the middle or to simply shorten the building by a few feet in back. Also, for a loft style apartment you can just leave it 80% open and allow the light to percolate back into the space. The depth of the apartments in the building would be shallower than those in some modern developments like 235 Van Buren which has had some difficulty selling, but has done moderately well considering it was caught up in the worst of the crash.

That said, loft style office space is probably a better use for a building like this, but not if it is in an area where office demand is low.
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I've seen plenty of these types of buildings converted to residential lofts.
Any specific addresses to offer? I'm really curious how you would do that for a midblock building.
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