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Old Posted Jun 5, 2012, 1:19 PM
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2012, 5:29 PM
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Some members post very frequently and inevitably they will run their mouth at some point. I've come close a few times, and had a moderator noticed I might have been banned. Fortunately I've edited all of that nonsense out.
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2012, 9:36 PM
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With the ongoing reconstruction of the N-S portion of Wacker Drive, I thought you might like this image from when it was first constructed:


From Chuckman's collection
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2012, 9:47 PM
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2012, 10:24 PM
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Thanks for the Wacker Drive image, Emathias. Not one of those buildings remains, unless you can make out the Great Lakes Building or Merchandise Mart way in the back. The picture is looking north from the Civic Opera Building (at Washington), with the ramp down at Randolph.
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What was wacker drive before wacker drive? I imagine the existing buildings, built prior to the multi-level wacker drive, had to raise their main entrances up to the new main street level. If any one has any info or pictures of the area prior to wacker drive, can you PM me? Thanks!
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2012, 2:09 AM
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The north-south part was Market Street, which had a stub terminal of the Lake Street L:


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The top level of Wacker is roughly the same level as the old Market Street. I can't remember exactly, but I think that may have been raised in the teens when the new higher-level bridges were built. I think the current entrance to the 1912 Great Lakes Building (SWC Lake & Wacker) was originally the second level, but the Civic Opera Building was always the way it is now.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2012, 5:02 AM
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Does anybody know who determines whether (and upon what basis) a newspaper machine/box may be installed on a given corner? (Other than the architecturally-designed cabinets the city installed in certain places a couple years ago, which I assume it owns.) To observe the obvious, they are almost always in large clusters, suggesting each publisher isn't just haphazardly applying for licenses for random busy corners here and there to compete with other publishers. So either there's only one or two distributors for all of the city's corners, or the aldermen designate certain corners and let the distributors just have at it, or something.

Does the city charge rent, like it does for restaurants' summer sidewalk cafes?
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2012, 7:38 AM
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2012, 2:07 PM
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Does anybody know who determines whether (and upon what basis) a newspaper machine/box may be installed on a given corner?
No time this morning to look it up, but I think newspaper boxes are placed wherever the distributor wants them, no license required. I seem to recall that the city has some generalized placement restrictions downtown, but there were some cases in the 1980s holding that newspaper boxes enjoyed First Amendment protection. Obviously, those don't trump public safety concerns, but they're given a lot of latitude. Back in the 80s, there was a group affililated with Ed Vrdolyak who started a one-page "newspaper" solely so they could put the boxes on downtown sidewalks and sell ads on the sides. The city eventually won that fight.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2012, 5:17 PM
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What was wacker drive before wacker drive? I imagine the existing buildings, built prior to the multi-level wacker drive, had to raise their main entrances up to the new main street level. If any one has any info or pictures of the area prior to wacker drive, can you PM me? Thanks!
Sorry to continue the historical photo posts but the only camera I have is my phone and I am not very good at using it. The east-west Wacker replaced River Street I believe, which was mostly docks. Graham and Morton, Goodrich, and the lesser passenger steamers had their docks along the south side of the main branch. This also meant that River St. was a big market street too since the steamships would come in with passengers and cargo, like fruit, and it would be sold along the street. My grandfather would travel to Chicago with his dad and sell fruit that they did not sell at the Benton Harbor Fruit Market along the street when he was a kid.

Early 1900s Chicago Graham & Morton Line Docks Photo by RetroSnapshots, on Flickr

And just in case you thought I was kidding about my poor photo skills, this is a photo I took trying to document a barge going under the lift bridge at Ping Tom Park for our discussion back about river traffic. The sun was so bright I could not see the screen and only got my knee. But it is new and mine.

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Old Posted Jun 7, 2012, 2:32 AM
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The east-west part of Wacker replaced South Water Street. River Street was the short NE-SW diagonal approach to the Rush Street Bridge, where Heald Square is now.



South Water Market was relocated to W. 14th Street, but the produce merchants wanted to keep their old addresses, so those blocks ignored Chicago's addressing system from 1925 until 2004, when the produce market relocated yet again to 29th & Ashland, and the buildings were converted into University Commons.

Incidentally, we have a thread for Historic Chicago photos.
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South Water Street looked awesome
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2012, 6:15 AM
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The South Loop Costco (or is it CostCo?) opens on the 28th this month.
Does anyone know how much longer before the West Loop Target opens?
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2012, 1:23 PM
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I had to laugh when I heard them calling it the "South Loop" location. It's at 15th & Ashland, 1.5 miles west of the river.

It's particularly amusing to those of us who fiercely fought back in the 1980s to keep the name "South Loop" (instead of "Burnham Park" as the developers proposed) for the area around Printers Row. Now the South Loop apparently extends to 15th & Ashland and to 28th & Michigan (Rogers Pontiac ads). Annuit coeptis.
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Gateway/Marianos in the West Loop yesterday evening:

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This is turning out nice.
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