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Old Posted Feb 10, 2017, 5:31 AM
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In the West Native issues are discussed and in a uniformly negative manner. Whether it's poverty, drugs, missing women, abuse, family violence, crime, overdoses..... Natives only get attention when talking about society's social ills. Seriously, think of all the times you have been to Chinese, Indian, Italian, Greek, Japanese, or Middle Eastern restaurants. Now try to think of the last time you went to a "Native" restaurant. When was the last time any of you went to Nativetown as opposed to Chinatown, Little Italy or even the Gay Village? The only areas that one thinks of for a Nativetown is Vancouver's Downtown Eastside.

Native culture is something politicians drag out of the closet at international events like Vancouver's Olympics but are quickly stuffed back into the closets as soon as the media leaves. I think the vast majority of Canadians think it is deplorable how most of our Native population lives but also do not feel that there should be any more spending on the issues as it is seen as throwing good money after bad to a feudal-type Reserve System and a population that seems to take frightening little responsibility for their own situations and refusing to take the necessary actions {like leaving Reserves/villages with 90% unemployment} for greener pastures.
This is a bit harsh... I live near a reserve and see regular natives doing regular middle class stuff all the time. A lot of people can't even differentiate them from all the other asian-descent people in the area.

The reserves themselves look pretty rundown though. It's weird that the supposed environmentalist caretakers of the land do things like let cars rust in their front yard.
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Another issue that hurts Native's ability to improve their lot is the low levels of political participation. Natives are good at complaining and hence getting media attention about their plight but don't follow up at the ballot box.

In the 2011 federal Election {which for Natives is even more relevant due to much of Native funding is strictly federal than for most Canadians} their voter turnout is lousy. The national turnout was 58.5% with the lowest level being the area with the highest level of Native population..........Nunavut with turnout of just 39.4%. Seconf lowest was the area with the second highest population of Natives...............the NWT with 47.4%.

Elections are held in October so weather is not an issue and every little tiny hamlet in the country has a voting station so neither climate or isolation are excuses. Politicians want to get re-elected and the Native vote is irrevelant and hence so are thier concerns.
Are you mentally fucking retarded (hyperbole)

The problems alot of these people suffer from can be quite extreme.

I have no idea what it is like in other parts of the country.

But someone in nfld that is purer native generally suffers from some extreme problems.
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Same here, interesting to hear from someone who's a lot more connected to this facet of life in Canada. I wonder what vid's armchair quarterback's ideas to improve the average aboriginal quality of life while still preserving traditions and culture would be?
You integrate indigenous culture into the mainstream. Things like native art, native cuisine, native fashion. Respect the indigenous understanding of the natural environment. Legally recognize sacred indigenous lands. Support them when they suffer trauma, and come together around them when they need support.

These are all things that my city does. Native art? We've got a lot of it all over town, in the form of murals, sculptures, art on walls of almost every building. Literally etched into our courthouse on the exterior of the Aboriginal Settlement wing. Cuisine? Contrary to ssiguy's ignorance, there is native cuisine (it's basic, they were hunter gatherers after all). Almost every time I go to a potluck or get together, aside from the standards, there's food like bannock (a Scottish dish that was popular among indigenous people because of its simplicity), game (moose and deer especially, sometimes bear; local fish has always been part of our local culture). Indigenous food often combines meat and fruit, a regional favourite is beef and blueberry (I've always liked the less conventional raspberry and chicken). On a fairly regular basis, we have an aboriginal craft fair downtown with dozens of vendors (and one really big one during the Christmas season with around a hundred). The most popular items are handmade clothing from indigenous people. Not just mocassins and gloves; everything from hats to dresses to t-shirts with native cultural themes, and lots of white people buy them, wear them, enjoy them.

The mountain south of our city, Mount McKay, is increasingly being recognized as sacred and its original name, anemki wachieu, is being used more often. The Ojibwe name for this area, Wikwedong (Wikwed being "bay", and -ong and -ing are locative case markers in Ojibwe nouns), is used.

Another phenomenon that I think many Western Canadians are familiar with is walking as a tool to come together and heal after tragedy. These are quite common in my city, I participated in one a week ago, there is another next week. The biggest of the year is in September to honour lost indigenous women which draws several hundred, is attended by dignitaries and is culminated with a feast. Smudging is now the local form of christening major buildings (our courthouse was smudged on its first day, many important public city functions and meetings begin with a smudge). Smudging is the burning of dried herbs (typically sweet grass and sage) to drive out negative energy in a place to make it suitable for spiritual purposes, or whatever.

On remote First Nations, the tools indigenous people there are asking for in order to modernize without negatively impacting their culture are energy security (they currently rely on expensive diesel generators which are prone to malfunction and leak fuel; the fuel is flown in on airplanes periodically), food security, control over their education systems and funding to implement their curricula (First Nations aren't under provincial jurisdiction for education, but the federal government has no formal department of education, which leaves them at the mercy of meagre funding from INAC, resulting in the current funding discrepancy between First Nations and provincial schools). Better health care access, especially for mental health, are needed, and should be provided by people that understand indigenous people and their culture.

Diversions for youth like recreation centres are also an important part of helping young indigenous youth develop into better adults; I'm actively involved in this in Thunder Bay with an organization that has been held up by the city, province and United Way as a model for active programming that engages youth (we get about 50 participants per day, on average, entirely by choice as it's drop-in/drop-out, we're based in a small inner city neighbourhood park that is literally one of the top five busiest parks in the city now). The city actually includes this in its strategic plan, we put a lot of effort into encouraging other people and organizations to adopt as much of our techniques as they can since they've proven so effective. The biggest hurdle is access to funding.

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Personally, I like the idea of a native province (forcibly carved out of Northern Saskatchewan, it's pretty central...) then elimination of the special status and reserves. Ironically, had this happened earlier, everyone would likely be better off today. Now, of course, it's unfathomable - so we're basically stuck with the status quo.
Well that would be all well and good for the Cree of Northern Saskatchewan, but if you think indigenous people from all over Canada are going to move there and make it their home you're mistaken.

I've proposed in numerous venues, the establishment of the Assembly of First Nations as an elected (by First Nations people) legislative body operating under the jurisdiction of a reformed and renamed Indian Act, to create laws and policies associated with First Nations governments in general, while turning regional tribal councils into similar elected legislative bodies to oversee regional issues, and then finally sub-regional or local First Nations governments to oversee local issues. Give these levels of indigenous government taxation rights, the ability to have input on land use, and access to the royalties of natural resources within a certain distance of communities within their jurisdiction (for example, the Victor Diamond Mine would be within Attawapiskat/Nishnawbe Aski Nation jurisdiction due to proximity to Attawapiskat, and within Ontario jurisdiction as it is in Ontario, and Ontario and Attawapiskat/NAN would share its royalties instead of all of them going to Ontario; the ability of First Nations like Attawapiskat to make "back room" deals for large sums would be removed as it is unaccountable and not currently a right municipalities in Canada have).

Ultimately (I append this to the end of this idea every time I share it), what this system would look like, if indigenous people even choose something like it, would have to be the work of indigenous people in partnership with the provincial and federal governments and the courts to ensure a fair situation for both sides and ensure it is constitutional.

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In the 2011 federal Election {which for Natives is even more relevant due to much of Native funding is strictly federal than for most Canadians} their voter turnout is lousy. The national turnout was 58.5% with the lowest level being the area with the highest level of Native population..........Nunavut with turnout of just 39.4%. Seconf lowest was the area with the second highest population of Natives...............the NWT with 47.4%.
It was higher in 2015. Communities literally ran out of ballots and had to vote on pieces of paper with the signature of the returning officer on them because the logistics of getting ballots to remote places on short notice were too difficult.

Generally, native people are apathetic about the federal government because it often screws them over. I mean how many times have we heard the government will fix their water crises? It never does. It's education problems? Ignored no matter who is in office. They have little faith in government for the same reason old, right wing white people generally don't vote (at least in Ontario): there is a strong sense that the government has not only failed them, but has no intention of making up for it. Government after government has promised change and improvements, but none have delivered in a substantial way outside of crises where it is necessary to act to save face.

But when someone reaches out to indigenous people, or when something drives them to work together to avoid an undesirable situation (such as the rally against Harper's conservatives in 2015), they will become more politically active and vote in elections.

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The reserves themselves look pretty rundown though. It's weird that the supposed environmentalist caretakers of the land do things like let cars rust in their front yard.
It has a lot to do with how reserves are legally set up (private property is illegal there), as well as the high levels of poverty. I live in a neighbourhood where most of the people are poor, and let me tell you, white people let cars rust in their yards, too.

It's a symptom of poverty. Poverty causes and/or exacerbates mental health issues, and one of the biggest mental health issues afflicting people in poverty situations are disorders that cause anxiety, depression and hoarding.

And don't forget that many aboriginal people over the age of 50 went to residential schools where their culture was suppressed and their traditions were referred to as satanic or wrong, but who when released from those schools (if they survived them) were still not accepted in white society without significant issues. That also causes problems, and the affects of those problems get passed down to their kids. Parents with mental health issues who regularly self-medicate with drugs and alcohol are not going to raise their children very well. As a result, their children will have traumatic childhoods and go on to abuse their children. It creates a cycle of trauma and poverty, and that's what we're seeing when we see a state of societal breakdown on reserves. That's why support for mental health and education are so important, and why it's vital to preserve their culture, because embracing one's traditional culture does help a lot of people (not just indigenous people) cope with trauma and stress. (Important note: this phenomenon is not actually specific to any ethnicity though is it more common among groups of people who have recently been overtaken and oppressed by another group of people; even white people in Canada experience this if they happen to descend from a long line of poor people who've had little success or significant trauma during their lives.)

And you can't say "oh, they're not environmentalists because they let cars rot in their front yard!" while lauding Trudeau's government's environmental policies as they build more pipelines. "Global warming is a serious threat but let's not get too carried away in acting on a solution to it!" Just because a few people in a group are engaging in problematic behaviour doesn't mean that the entire group has abandoned one of its founding principles or that that principle was a lie in the first place.
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And you can't say "oh, they're not environmentalists because they let cars rot in their front yard!" while lauding Trudeau's government's environmental policies as they build more pipelines. "Global warming is a serious threat but let's not get too carried away in acting on a solution to it!" Just because a few people in a group are engaging in problematic behaviour doesn't mean that the entire group has abandoned one of its founding principles or that that principle was a lie in the first place.
Weird derail about Trudeau, pretty sure I've never said anything about him on this forum.

The rusted car thing was just an example. In general the local natives lead a much less environmentally conscious lifestyle than the surrounding non-natives. And I'm pretty sure the north shore Vancouver natives are doing pretty well for themselves. They own Park Royal mall, considered the no. 2 high end mall in the region, and they're leaseholding very valuable land to condo developers to the east.
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Weird derail about Trudeau, pretty sure I've never said anything about him on this forum.
I tried to make an analogy. There are contradictions within every group of people. They are large, they contain multitudes. I vote for the Green Party while driving a truck.

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The rusted car thing was just an example. In general the local natives lead a much less environmentally conscious lifestyle than the surrounding non-natives. And I'm pretty sure the north shore Vancouver natives are doing pretty well for themselves. They own Park Royal mall, considered the no. 2 high end mall in the region, and they're leaseholding very valuable land to condo developers to the east.
Environmentally conscious living is a benefit of being well off. It's easier to be environmentally conscious when you have money because environmental consciousness costs money.

Also, just because "the natives" own a mall and some expensive land, doesn't mean every member of the reserve is well off. They might not have private land ownership but they're not socialists, there is inequality within First Nations communities too.

And again, as I pointed out, there is the issue that their traditional practices aren't always followed due to the country's history of actively suppressing those cultural practices, and that means everything from language, dress and diet to environmental practices and political ethics.

The reserve south of Thunder Bay, until recently, allowed dumping almost anywhere. It wasn't until younger people pointed out the contradiction between that practice and traditional culture that they started to make more effort to prevent wanton dumping of garbage all over the land.

There is a desire among non-native people to hold native people up as some sort of ideal or perfect being, or something mythical or forgotten, when they aren't any of those things, and that's something that people need to stop doing.
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That was a great post Vid. We talk so much about integrating Natives into our culture, without ever really considering integrating ourselves into Native culture. Seems like a much more genuine form of reconciliation to me, and very possible as well. Is there any way government can do anything to support this? Because your Thunder Bay examples seem very organic, which is an approach that may not work everywhere.
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Awesome post vid. You really know what you are talking about.
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Is there any way government can do anything to support this? Because your Thunder Bay examples seem very organic, which is an approach that may not work everywhere.
The process here went something like this:

• A need to be more accepting of First Nations is recognized by the people and then by government

• Social organizations and community groups are among the first to recognize the need as they're most likely to serve aboriginal people. Through user input, aboriginal traditions are learned, respected, and in some cases, practised. These groups along with individuals and small groups of individuals start the dialogue on being more inclusive of aboriginal culture and this puts pressure on the government to behave similarly

• There is consultation with local native leaders and elders on what kinds of initiatives would help achieve this inclusiveness and acceptance at the civic level

• The city appoints an aboriginal liaison for the city as a whole, who offers guidance to city departments on being sensitive to aboriginal needs and culture. Other local boards followed suit and either appoint aboriginal liaisons in their organizations or seek out consultants to develop their own policies

• The aboriginal liaisons facilitate the integration of indigenous culture into various functions by either being the person who performs them (setting an
example) or by providing an opportunity to someone else to perform them.

• The city and local chamber of commerce reach out to aboriginals to find ways to build relationships between aboriginals and business

• The city routinely affirms the importance of aboriginal culture within our local culture, as it does for many of our ethnic groups. It does this through declarations (such as the "We're on X nation traditional territory" statements or through official proclamations from the mayor's office expressing support for an initiative) or through policy (such as allowing smudging in city hall or holding joint meetings with the local reserve, as they did the other night and do on a fairly regular basis)

• Typically by this point, there is a decent amount of exposure to indigenous culture (at least on part with various European or Asian cultures) combined with an understanding that indigenous culture is the one that is tied to this land specifically, and people start to respect those traditions and accept them as part of local culture

In our case, this was initially a grass roots concept but was quickly embraced by our city council (we're a fairly socially progressive city) and the city is continuing to support initiatives that include or integrate native culture into the local culture. I believe that at this point, Thunder Bay has reached a point where it is such an important part of the local identity that there would be a decent amount of outcry if the city scaled back on these initiatives, but at the same time, it's fragile enough that we could easily regress if the city doesn't maintain these initiatives. The situation isn't perfect, but it's much better than it was a decade ago and there is a lot of optimism that we're moving in the right direction.

Thunder Bay also has something that the other Western cities don't have: our population growth is almost entirely due to aboriginal people. They are, literally, our future. According to the census (which typically undercounts aboriginal people), between 1996 and 2011, the local indigenous population grew from 6,510 to 10,085 (54.9% increase) while the local population went from 113,662 to 108,359 (4.7% decrease). Between 2011 and 2016, the population changed to 107,909 (a 0.4% decrease), but I expect the aboriginal population to be around 12,000 by now.
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Awesome post vid. You really know what you are talking about.
I make an effort to understand and share my knowledge with others when I can.
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The process here went something like this:

• A need to be more accepting of First Nations is recognized by the people and then by government

• Social organizations and community groups are among the first to recognize the need as they're most likely to serve aboriginal people. Through user input, aboriginal traditions are learned, respected, and in some cases, practised. These groups along with individuals and small groups of individuals start the dialogue on being more inclusive of aboriginal culture and this puts pressure on the government to behave similarly

• There is consultation with local native leaders and elders on what kinds of initiatives would help achieve this inclusiveness and acceptance at the civic level

• The city appoints an aboriginal liaison for the city as a whole, who offers guidance to city departments on being sensitive to aboriginal needs and culture. Other local boards followed suit and either appoint aboriginal liaisons in their organizations or seek out consultants to develop their own policies

• The aboriginal liaisons facilitate the integration of indigenous culture into various functions by either being the person who performs them (setting an
example) or by providing an opportunity to someone else to perform them.

• The city and local chamber of commerce reach out to aboriginals to find ways to build relationships between aboriginals and business

• The city routinely affirms the importance of aboriginal culture within our local culture, as it does for many of our ethnic groups. It does this through declarations (such as the "We're on X nation traditional territory" statements or through official proclamations from the mayor's office expressing support for an initiative) or through policy (such as allowing smudging in city hall or holding joint meetings with the local reserve, as they did the other night and do on a fairly regular basis)

• Typically by this point, there is a decent amount of exposure to indigenous culture (at least on part with various European or Asian cultures) combined with an understanding that indigenous culture is the one that is tied to this land specifically, and people start to respect those traditions and accept them as part of local culture

In our case, this was initially a grass roots concept but was quickly embraced by our city council (we're a fairly socially progressive city) and the city is continuing to support initiatives that include or integrate native culture into the local culture. I believe that at this point, Thunder Bay has reached a point where it is such an important part of the local identity that there would be a decent amount of outcry if the city scaled back on these initiatives, but at the same time, it's fragile enough that we could easily regress if the city doesn't maintain these initiatives. The situation isn't perfect, but it's much better than it was a decade ago and there is a lot of optimism that we're moving in the right direction.

Thunder Bay also has something that the other Western cities don't have: our population growth is almost entirely due to aboriginal people. They are, literally, our future. According to the census (which typically undercounts aboriginal people), between 1996 and 2011, the local indigenous population grew from 6,510 to 10,085 (54.9% increase) while the local population went from 113,662 to 108,359 (4.7% decrease). Between 2011 and 2016, the population changed to 107,909 (a 0.4% decrease), but I expect the aboriginal population to be around 12,000 by now.
It's good to see how successful this has been in Thunder Bay. Hopefully it can be replicated elsewhere, because you're right, Native population growth is the future in many places in Canada. Reconciliation will only become more important.
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I haven't noticed evangelical natives much here, but I know a few Christian ones. Mostly, they're either atheist or spiritual.

It could just be that the evangelical natives keep to themselves. In my family, after what residential school did to my great-grandparents, Christianity was seen as something to avoid. There is a sentiment that a native person who is Christian is betraying their ancestors.
There is a First Nations Pentecostal church in downtown Timmins. https://www.google.ca/maps/@48.47548...7i13312!8i6656

I sometimes go to the Baptist church in Timmins where there are only a few aboriginals but I do know that the church is doing outreach to those people.

I've been to the Pentecostal churches in both Moosonee and Moose Factory and they are well attended. But I know a number of Cree and some Ojibways who are Anglican, Catholic or non-denominational Christian. And I do know many atheists and traditional spiritual natives who avoid churches due to them or family members have gone to residential schools.
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#Cuisine? Contrary to ssiguy's ignorance, there is native cuisine (it's basic, they were hunter gatherers after all). Almost every time I go to a potluck or get together, aside from the standards, there's food like bannock (a Scottish dish that was popular among indigenous people because of its simplicity) ...
I don't remember the name, but have you had the bannock like food made from cattail flour? I was first exposed to this in Vermilion Bay by FN school mates on a fishing trip. Roasted cattails are good too and there was a mash that was made from them with wild onions and spruce. There's a couple places around T Bay that offer samples of FN cuisine, just not enough
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game (moose and deer especially, sometimes bear; local fish has always been part of our local culture).
I remember eating a bear grease meal with dried fruit ... though vaguely.
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The most popular items are handmade clothing from indigenous people. Not just mocassins and gloves; everything from hats to dresses to t-shirts with native cultural themes, and lots of white people buy them, wear them, enjoy them.
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The mountain south of our city, Mount McKay, is increasingly being recognized as sacred and its original name, anemki wachieu, is being used more often.
Do you know the name for Pie Island? I was spent a weekend out there with some friends a long time ago on the prep for their spirit journey. Well not quite since I couldn't actually join them, but it was a couple weekends before to scout out the place. Very moving.


And like others said - and I expected - thanks for the post.


BTW, do you know any local artists?? Per chance Tyler Tyance? He's part of the new crew but closely aligned with Roy Thomas's wife and working to carry forward Roy's style but with his own twist. Perhaps the next Roy or Sammy Ash??
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Not sure if this belongs here or in the JT thread, but it appears that the new gov't really is like the old gov't wrt to FN issues.

First off, the Libbies have reneged on their promise to fully implement the UN Declaration of Indigenous Rights and then appear to have not spent anywhere near the funds they promised. But is the icing on the cake may be that now JT says he knows native issues better than the band chiefs:
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"I've spoken with a number of chiefs who said, 'You know, we need a youth centre.… You know, we need TVs and lounges and sofas so they can hang around.' And when a chief says that to me, I pretty much know they haven't actually talked to their young people," Trudeau told the audience in his response to Thomas.

"Because most of the young people I've talked to want a place to store their canoes and paddles so they can connect back out on the land, and a place with internet access so they can do their homework."
It's would be sad if FN issues were merely used by the Libbies to win an election - let's hope they can actually deliver on some (if not all).
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Vid.......... You are very knowledgeable about First Nations issues and we all appreciate your input.

That said, how does one go about creating a federal {federally seeing most money and policies effecting Natives is done at a federal level} framework when there is little consensus amongst Natives themselves? We {very much myself included} tend to group Natives together as if they are just a homogeneous group while the reality is quite the opposite. Natives are very diverse in their culture, values, economic, politics, geography, and their needs. One positive iniative by the feds may help one tribe and be catostrophic for another.

I know this sounds harsh but that doesn't mean it's not a reality..........most Canadians are upset by the situation of our Natives but conversely have little appetite for money to help fix the problems as they view it as nothing more than spending good money after bad. Most Canadians also feel that Natives have an aversion to try to help themselves and have unrealistic expectations. Natives complain about high unemployment on reserves but still choose to live on those reserves which maybe 100 km from the nearest town or complain about the cost of food and poor diet when that is reality when choosing to live in an isolated area. Natives complain {often justifiably} that they do not get enough reserve funding yet the money they get often ends up in the hands of the Chiefs and their families. The Reserve system is positively fuedal but every attempt to get rid of it and the corruption it creates is met with scorn and when Harper introduced some form of accountability of where all the federal dollars where going, they received heavy resistance and even cries of racism.
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Environmentally conscious living is a benefit of being well off. It's easier to be environmentally conscious when you have money because environmental consciousness costs money.

Also, just because "the natives" own a mall and some expensive land, doesn't mean every member of the reserve is well off. They might not have private land ownership but they're not socialists, there is inequality within First Nations communities too.
Aren't they essentially socialists, though? I thought they did profit sharing and didn't buy the houses they live in.

This is an honest question - I was led to believe this is how it works.
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I don't have anything to say buy thanks for the excellent posts here vid.
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Yeah so apparently my dad didn't get status because he didn't check the box saying he was a resident of the community despite every bit of paper illustrating clearly that he lived in the community.

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Regarding your question of whether I am "mentally fucking retarded"............... I don't respond to childish personal attacks and profanity. Suffice to say that if you ever come out with a comment like that to me or anyone else on this forum again consider yourself reported.
Note that I put in brackets hyperbole that wasn't directed at you it was meant as a joke.
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I would say that on the Prairies, aboriginal issues are very visible, but the culture is not embraced. You'd probably avoid bringing it up at a dinner party, as you'd be likely to hear some responses along the lines of "the reserves were a mistake, we should have just gone ahead and forcefully integrated them a long time ago." If you want to open up that can of worms at a party, be my guest.

That's starting to change of course. But change is slow.
Yeah, it's more of a situation on the prairies where it might come up at a party after everyone's had one too many drinks, and people start getting loose with their words. From my experience it's rarely casually discussed like, say, provincial politics would be, but tends to get explosive fast.
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