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Old Posted Apr 8, 2015, 7:22 AM
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In case y'all haven't been hipped to what promises to be the Noirish book of the season, check out James Ellroy's latest: Ellroy, redoubtable demon-dog of American literature, has teamed up with LA's repository of law enforcement history to produce LAPD '53, and all the info is here. I personally guarantee a great shot of the Hildreth's carriage house, surrounded by cops!

To order an autographed copy, please click here.
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In case y'all haven't been hipped to what promises to be the Noirish book of the season, check out James Ellroy's latest: Ellroy, redoubtable demon-dog of American literature, has teamed up with LA's repository of law enforcement history to produce LAPD '53, and all the info is here. I personally guarantee a great shot of the Hildreth's carriage house, surrounded by cops!

To order an autographed copy, please click here.
Ha. An autographed copy. Just what I want. Although a shot of the Hildreth carriage house would immediately make it worth the cover price. I find Ellroy wholly unreadable. My loss I'm sure. Thanks for the info on the red sandstone Courthouse remnants. Now if I can just find some lower-level county functionary who knows where some disposable remnants might be stacked.

Your post has set my heart a-yearning.

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In case Beaudry takes a while, the remnants are in City Terrace Park. I only know this because JScott told me.

1079 N Hazard Ave, ELA:

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lots more pix at Richard Schave's flickr here.
Thanks Tovanger for the quick response.
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As it turns out, the Market Basket we came across a couple of weeks ago was not, as the Denver Public Library labeled it, in Compton at all. It was 20 miles to the northeast in Baldwin Park. I sent the query to the experts at PERyHS, and, courtesy of the great Ralph Cantos and Craig Rasmussen, we now know that car 1221 is getting ready to depart the Baldwin Park PE station for Los Angeles. The Market Basket was listed in the 1947 BP CD at "105 E Ramona" (Groceteria lists it at 101)--there has been a renumbering since then, but this puts the Market Basket at the NE corner of Ramona Blvd and Maine Ave. where there is now a Bank of America. The post office at the extreme left of the expanded Denver Library view is apparently the one that was at 312 N Maine in 1947, which puts it right behind the Market Basket. As for the BoA...in 1947 it was diagonally across the intersection at 100 W Ramona Blvd in a building that appears to be one of the few vintage structures still standing. (Btw, an old brick PE substation also still stands near the junction of Ramona and Badillo.)

(According to Groceteria, the BP Market Basket was store #13; the Morris Garage seen at right in the larger Denver library view was at 137 East Ramona in the 1947 CD.)


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Full expandable view here:
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm...id/77113/rec/1

I dug around a little--a Morris Garage--there is one at far right in the bigger picture--was listed at 601 E Compton...to the west of this address on a the corner today is an interesting Deco building, but it does not seem to correspond to the Market Basket... or maybe it was a block farther west, now an empty lot... or not on Compton Blvd at all. no Market Basket listings in Compton CDs in the '40s. There appears to be a post office at far left of big pic, but not enough detail to confirm that this is Compton. There is a "Pete's" filling station at the far right--also not in the 1946 Compton directory. To its left appears to be a possible street number--maybe 146 or 146. I think one of our foamers will have to sort this one out based on the PE car and the interurban routes.

The former Bank of America building, caddy-corner from its modern counterpart on the site of the Market Basket:


April 2012 and August 2014 GSVs


The PE Vineland substation still standing near Ramona and Badillo:

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As it turns out, the Market Basket we came across a couple of weeks ago was not, as the Denver Public Library labeled it, in Compton at all. It was 20 miles to the northeast in Baldwin Park. I sent the query to the experts at PERyHS, and, courtesy of the great Ralph Cantos and Craig Rasmussen, we now know that car 1221 is getting ready to depart the Baldwin Park PE station for Los Angeles. The Market Basket was listed in the 1947 BP CD at "105 E Ramona" (Groceteria lists it at 101)--there has been a renumbering since then, but this puts the Market Basket at the NE corner of Ramona Blvd and Maine Ave. where there is now a Bank of America. The post office at the extreme left of the expanded Denver Library view is apparently the one that was at 312 N Maine in 1947, which puts it right behind the Market Basket. As for the BoA...in 1947 it was diagonally across the intersection at 100 W Ramona Blvd in a building that appears to be one of the few vintage structures still standing. (Btw, an old brick PE substation also still stands near the junction of Ramona and Badillo.)

(According to Groceteria, the BP Market Basket was store #13; the Morris Garage seen at right in the larger Denver library view was at 137 East Ramona in the 1947 CD.)





The former Bank of America building, caddy-corner from its modern counterpart on the site of the Market Basket:


April 2012 and August 2014 GSVs


The PE Vineland substation still standing near Ramona and Badillo:

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Great work, GW!

Cheers,
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Cigars all around...

Blessed event in our house last week...


Little bundle from heaven

Bruno looks on...


Bruno and two of the Mignonette sisters crowd around

The tension in the room is palpable...


Fully dilated


Critical moments...

Bruno eyes Prudent warily...


Kissing cousins...

Prudent takes his first steps...


Prudent and his cousins Bruno and the Mignonette sisters

Sizing each other up...Prudent proves to be a big boy...


Prudent at rest

The stone-cutter's art


1910 Baist Los Angeles Real Estate survey map, plate 5

Showing Bruno and Prudent in their entirety


Prudent came into our lives through the mid-wifery of Jack Wig Wag and we will be eternally grateful for his help and the generosity of his friend Gary.
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James Ellroy/old County Courthouse/Fragments

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I find Ellroy wholly unreadable.
You're not the only one. Too much like homework!

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I've read there was some discussion at the time of planning the then new courthouse regarding what should be valued and take pride of place. In "Adobe Days" Bixby Smith put it dryly,

"When the site was wanted by the men folk of the town, the school building was moved...and the hill itself decapitated."



Does anyone know why the Courthouse was so fragile? Was it the internal structure, the way the stone was fastened to the frame, the mortar or something else?

And who were the architects? Denver PL says Curlett, Eisen & Cuthbertson. Richard Schave lists Vawter & Eisen.

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MichaelRyerson's new fragment made me think of Chicago's Tribune Tower. Nice collection you've got :-)

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Prudent Street Cobblestone

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Blessed event in our house last week...


Little bundle from heaven

Bruno looks on...


Bruno and two of the Mignonette sisters crowd around

The tension in the room is palpable...


Fully dilated


Critical moments...

Bruno eyes Prudent warily...


Kissing cousins...

Prudent takes his first steps...


Prudent and his cousins Bruno and the Mignonette sisters

Sizing each other up...Prudent proves to be a big boy...


Prudent at rest

The stone-cutter's art


1910 Baist Los Angeles Real Estate survey map, plate 5

Showing Bruno and Prudent in their entirety


Prudent came into our lives through the mid-wifery of Jack Wig Wag and we will be eternally grateful for his help and the generosity of his friend Gary.
Very creative Michael! Nice to see Prudent back among her neighbors! Gary will love the photos. Also, thanks for the Map!

Cheers,
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2015, 4:18 PM
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The stone cutter George Blum is the Blum of the famous Peach Ranch in Acton, Ca. Great Peaches.
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Blum's Peach Ranch, Acton, CA


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The stone cutter George Blum is the Blum of the famous Peach Ranch in Acton, Ca. Great Peaches.
Thx for that info.


blumranch.com

Blum Ranch History

LAT article on the Blum Ranch


George Blum, stonecutter and peach grower, and family. The oldest child, George Jr, is the fellow in the article Beaudry posted about the cornerstone for the new courthouse.
George, Jr's daughter Elizabeth and her husband run the ranch now.

photo: growing magazine

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Thx for that info.


blumranch.com

Blum Ranch History

LAT article on the Blum Ranch


George, Jr's daughter Elizabeth, and her husband, run the ranch now.
Here is Blum's Ranch seen from the road.

GSV

Here is the satellite view.

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Blum Ranch, Acton, CA


Peaches, pears, lilacs and honey bees. I can only ID the peach orchard for sure.


Here's the original dirt-floored, two-room stone house, now with a second story. It's used as an outbuilding. Personally, I would have gone with a stone-floored adobe house.

scv history

wall detail:

svc history

Thank you Hollywood Graham and Beaudry. It's always nice to know something else related to the old Courthouse

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Despite the gates, today the development doesn't have quite the same appeal as Windsor Square or Hancock Park just to the north. While celebrity occupants have attracted some interest, there have never really been any distinctive houses in Fremont Place--two that were distinctive are gone, and their interest lay mostly in that they'd been moved to the development. These were the DRAKE house and the ARONSON house.


Mary Pickford and her mother rented #56 (still standing) at one point; Charlotte Pickford bought #129 in 1920, which also still stands, close to the Olympic end:


LAT/GoogleSV

Not only Mary Pickford's mother, but an alienist, two bankers, and William Howard Taft's sister all lived at 129 Fremont Place. The house's story is now here: http://fremontplace.blogspot.com/201...e-see-our.html


USCDL
Dr. Martin G. Carter, whose family built some of the ancient San Francisco cable
cars still in use, became a shrink rather than a railroad supplier. Here, he demonstates
his water[boarding] therapy at County Hospital, the psych unit of which he was head
from 1919 to 1935. I wonder if he went on to do lobotomies...
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Baldwin Hills: 1932, 1940, and 1954

USC has this photo dated 1940, which seems to be correct, but it is misidentified as "Aerial view of Greystone Park, Greystone Mansion," which is
in Beverly Hills. The photo actually looks south at part of the Sunset Fields Golf Course (1927-47) and the Baldwin Hills:

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../21936/rec/343


This closeup shows Stocker Street exiting the Baldwin Hills at right. In the lower left corner is the intersection of Stocker and Palmero Blvd. The lot on
the SE corner is empty; LA County gives a build date of 1941 for the house there now. Northland Drive winds up the hillside directly above Stocker. At
bottom center is the golf course clubhouse; you can just barely make out what looks a like a water tank on top of the 2nd story. You can also see the
little NW-facing 2nd story window under it:



Here's the golf course clubhouse in an undated photo. That clubhouse combined new construction with the salvageable remains of the c. 1790-95
Sanchez Adobe. Those remains included the two-story portion, so perhaps instead of a heavy water tank that's some kind of horn or loudspeaker on the
roof. Whatever it was, there it is, plus that little window (on the right):

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/24213/rec/8

The clubhouse still exists at 3725 Don Felipe Drive. I posted about it two years ago: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13985


Here's a closeup of the top center portion of the 1940 photo. The large two-story house by itself on the hillside below top center is on Mt. Vernon
Drive; Mt. Vernon intersects with Northland to the left of the big house. Near the upper right, the short S-shaped block is part of Presidio Drive; the
intersection at the top of the S is Presidio and Olympiad Drive. The SE corner of Presidio and Olympiad is vacant, but there are homes on either
side. The house now on the corner has a 1952 build date, and the houses on either side are dated 1939.

One block to the west/right of Presidio and Olympiad is the intersection of Orinda and Olympiad; the house we see on the SW corner has a 1940 build
date. Today, Presidio Drive winds down to connect with Stocker -- it runs under the big house on Mt. Vernon -- but it appears to stop at Mt. Vernon in
this photo. The ravine that starts at the bottom of the photo at the Y in the dirt road is where Don Felipe Drive will be built:



Here is much of the same area in a closeup from a 1954 photo. The intersection in the extreme lower left corner is Stocker and Angeles Vista
Blvd./Santa Rosalia Dr. (the names change at Stocker). Just above that intersection is Stocker and the barely visible at left Palmero Blvd. The old
golf course clubhouse is above bottom center; the two-story portion has some trees in front of it. The construction of Don Felipe Drive behind the
clubhouse took out a building or two from the clubhouse grounds.

Going west on Stocker, the street branching left that's lined with homes and climbs up the ravine below the large flat area is Presidio Drive; that S-shaped
block from the 1940 photo is seen here as a short diagonal line on the hillside. At upper right, Valley Ridge Avenue climbs up a ravine from Stocker
to the top of the hill, with some of the still-vacant 1932 Olympic Village site beyond:

USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/21761/rec/4


This is a closeup of a photo looking NE at the 1932 Olympic Village. The street that abruptly stops near the upper right corner is Mt. Vernon. Just
before the end of Mt. Vernon you can see its intersection with Northland Drive (which looks to have three cars driving on it). The ravine immediately
below and to the left of Mt. Vernon is where Presidio Drive will be built.

Just to the left of center is the V-shaped top of the ravine where Valley Ridge Avenue will be built. Looking beyond the top of that ravine, Stocker
Street looks to be a twisty, unimproved dirt road. Beyond the hills, what is now Stocker runs along the south side of the golf course from its parking lot
east to Crenshaw Blvd., but it does not align with the part of Stocker east of Crenshaw, which is about a block north. In the very upper left corner is
what is now the intersection of Crenshaw and Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.:

Occidental/Bill Henry Collection @ Calisphere -- http://cdn.calisphere.org/data/13030....52.33.1.4.jpg
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Good job with the Market Basket, GW, you knew where to send the query

Here is the 1931 Sanborn map of the intersection. Not only renumbering, but renaming. North is left edge of map. I don't think we can see all the way to the post office, unless it moved south.


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It's time to celebrate another NLA landmark - 8 million views, so this time I've decorated the foyer of the RKO Theatre. The original version of this image below can be found in post #24381.

As usual, thanks to ethereal_reality and all the other contributors who've helped us reach 8 million views by continuing to post great stuff here.


Original image taken from the Huntington Digital Library
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Here is the 1931 Sanborn map of the intersection. Not only renumbering, but renaming. North is left edge of map. I don't think we can see all the way to the post office, unless it moved south.


LAPL
The P.O. is at 120 N. Maine in the '31 CD--not sure when it moved to 312 N. Maine, but it could be around the time this picture was taken since the '47 CD lists it at 312... the Denver library dated the pic as November 28, 1946 (although given its notation of the location....)
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I just came across this July 1965 slide on eBay. It shows the massive 2,890 seat RKO Hillstreet Theater just before demolition.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1965...item4ae7b8d380


I've circled it in this detail of an 1948 aerial I posted back on page 1. (note the impressive dome)


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/se...1/order/nosort

For photographs of the vast interior (and more) go here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24381
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Excellent Baldwin Hills post FlyingWedge!
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8 million views!

Original image taken from the Huntington Digital Library
This is fantastic HossC!

(it was sheer coincidence that I was posting on the RKO Hillstreet Theater, and linked back to your post #24831)

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