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NolaWave · #**2681** Posted: **Jun 23, 2011, 4:09 PM**

The modern design depicted above would work perfectly right there with Whole Foods close by. I am so sick of people in this city complaining about the way EVERY SINGLE proposed new building looks. Faux historic is crap, there is nothing wrong with having a few modern updated buildings in this city. I don't even know how any developer puts up with this nonsense.

tennis1400 · #**2682** Posted: **Jun 23, 2011, 4:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by NolaWave

The modern design depicted above would work perfectly right there with Whole Foods close by. I am so sick of people in this city complaining about the way EVERY SINGLE proposed new building looks. Faux historic is crap, there is nothing wrong with having a few modern updated buildings in this city. I don't even know how any developer puts up with this nonsense.

Heres the thing if we are tired of it then we need to have our voices heard too. Problem is its the same 5 percent who think they speak for everyone that are the loudest of the bunch. Time to shut them down and sit them in the back! BTW this isnt a problem unique to Nola. Try a community board meeting in NYC !!! Id rather be shot than have to propose something at those meetings.

Nolacat157 · #**2683** Posted: **Jun 23, 2011, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by tennis1400

I personally heard that they stopped working with the HDLC and are going to go to the council for approval. The HDLC has no problem with the height of the building and in fact was open to going higher, they just have a problem with the design and that it isnt nearly as good as it can be. So I guess this shows they are going ahead without HDLC approval.

We shall see how it unfolds! I personally wish they could have come up with a better design but Im glad something will be going there.

Good article on NOCB today about this project. Kailas will go before the HDLC a second time in July to get approval and then to the city council for the varaince approval. The Vieux Carré commision is still very against it and doing everything possible to block it being built. Nola wont ever be allowed to join the 21st century until the VCC loses its stronghold over all development downtown.

IceCream · #**2684** Posted: **Jun 23, 2011, 5:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nolacat157

Good article on NOCB today about this project. Kailas will go before the HDLC a second time in July to get approval and then to the city council for the varaince approval. The Vieux Carré commision is still very against it and doing everything possible to block it being built. Nola wont ever be allowed to join the 21st century until the VCC loses its stronghold over all development downtown.

I just spent 30 minutes trying to find the date for the next HDLC meeting but it's not posted anywhere yet, not even on the City's calendar. I assume it's too far out as these are probably scheduled in a week or two from the actual meeting.

If i were a lawyer who wanted to have fun, or had too much money to know what to do with I'd hire a lawyer and find every way possible to shut down VCPORA and the VCC... And I say that as the son of a lifelong french quarter property owner...

If anyone finds out more about meeting dates, times, places on anything relating to Walgreens / 1031 / etc please post on here so we can go and fight the idiots. I feel like I only find out about them after the fact.

The next meeting for the Walgreen's issue is 6pm July 12th at the American Legion building itself. It's on my calendar!!!

tennis1400 · #**2685** Posted: **Jun 23, 2011, 6:02 PM**

We need to make YIMBY(yes in my back yard) t-shirts!!!

BTW I wouldnt be too worried about the Vieux Carre on the 1031 Building. Palmer is working with them and she really has final say and the CBDHDLC has noproblem with the size of building either only its design. This will get built as long as it can get financed!

IceCream · #**2686** Posted: **Jun 23, 2011, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by tennis1400

We need to make YIMBY(yes in my back yard) t-shirts!!!

BTW I wouldnt be too worried about the Vieux Carre on the 1031 Building. Palmer is working with them and she really has final say and the CBDHDLC has noproblem with the size of building either only its design. This will get built as long as it can get financed!

Praveen says it's financed already according to the article. I don't know anymore than that. I know him from elementary and if I were still close I'd ask, but I haven't talked to him since.

tennis1400 · #**2687** Posted: **Jun 23, 2011, 8:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by IceCream

Praveen says it's financed already according to the article. I don't know anymore than that. I know him from elementary and if I were still close I'd ask, but I haven't talked to him since.

Id still ask?

This is either for the Celeb Chef Restaurant or the new Hytops!
Record 11COM-00877 :

Commercial Renovation (Non-Structural)
Work Location 601 Loyola AVE
FLOOR 2
New Orleans LA 70112

Project Description:
Interior tenant buildout of vacant space into a retail space on the 2nd floor of the Hyatt hotel as per plans.
Owner:
Poydras Properties Holdings Co LLC
2222 Cottondale Ln
Little Rock AR 72202

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Uptowngirl · #**2688** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 2:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by IceCream

I just spent 30 minutes trying to find the date for the next HDLC meeting but it's not posted anywhere yet, not even on the City's calendar. I assume it's too far out as these are probably scheduled in a week or two from the actual meeting.

If i were a lawyer who wanted to have fun, or had too much money to know what to do with I'd hire a lawyer and find every way possible to shut down VCPORA and the VCC... And I say that as the son of a lifelong french quarter property owner...

If anyone finds out more about meeting dates, times, places on anything relating to Walgreens / 1031 / etc please post on here so we can go and fight the idiots. I feel like I only find out about them after the fact.

The next meeting for the Walgreen's issue is 6pm July 12th at the American Legion building itself. It's on my calendar!!!

I guess I'm one of those idiots.

(At least for Walgreens (although I don't know that I can sit through one of Louis Sterling's presentations again without throwing up a little in my mouth...and I'm pro HDLC and pro VCC...although by looking at the Quarter, the VCC isn't actually doing anything)

And BTW, I do agree with you about VCPORA. The project will get approval.

ardecila · #**2689** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 5:38 AM**

I'm glad that Kailas will appear again in front of the HDLC (presumably with improvements to the design). The latest version is unique and interesting, and it just needs some refinement to become an attractive modern building.

Count me as one who thinks that Waggonner and Ball's design for Walgreens is already perfect. I'm personally amazed that Walgreens is going to such lengths to enter Uptown... The design is beautiful and very unusual for Walgreens, but what's even better is the split entrance that allows customers to enter from the street or from the parking lot. I've never, ever seen a Walgreens with two entrances, although CVS does it all the time when they open up in older buildings.

tennis1400 · #**2690** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 11:50 AM**

Some more VA bids!

New Orleans VA Medical Center (Hurricane Rebuild)
200800621901 v. 18
Dodge Project Report, Plans, Spec and Addenda
Parking Garage,
Hospital,
Clinic/Medical Office Sub Bidding, Construction Documents $845,000,000 LA (Orleans) No Date

tennis1400 · #**2691** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uptowngirl

I guess I'm one of those idiots.

(At least for Walgreens (although I don't know that I can sit through one of Louis Sterling's presentations again without throwing up a little in my mouth...and I'm pro HDLC and pro VCC...although by looking at the Quarter, the VCC isn't actually doing anything)

And BTW, I do agree with you about VCPORA. The project will get approval.

I guess the thing that irks me is that these organizations, especially their leadership, seem to be more interested in getting their egos stroked than actually anything to do with good development and proper planning. Its very frustrating as someone who works on the development side!

Uptowngirl · #**2692** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 2:32 PM**

Well that has more to do with the ego of the neighborhood association leadership. I can assure you that is not who I am (then again I wasn't born here

)

I can however tell you that even the pro development side is not without its egos...I was at the last meeting on the Romney Pilates studio (and that building is an abomination). Their supporters were moving throughout the room with cameras, threatening those who wanted to speak up against it with lawyers getting in their faces...it was (in my opinion) intimidation from the Romneys, their developer, their attorneys and the 5 backers of the project. I was floored by what I saw.

greenparrot · #**2693** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by IceCream

I personally love seeing modern architecture directly in contrast with historical buildings. I hope they don't redesign it to look like the stupid generic faux historic one down by Breaux Mart. Freaking NIMBYs are ruining everything....

"Developer to share new design for Walgreens on Magazine Street

Posted by Robert Morris at 9:35 am

With Walgreens moving forward on a store in the old American Legion hall on Magazine Street and no land-use changes required from the city, the developer on the project is holding a second community meeting to share new designs for the renovated building.

At a meeting in March, neighbors were as concerned about the modern, glass-fronted design proposed for the building as they were about any other issues. Architects have since redesigned the building, and will present their plans at 6 p.m. July 12 at a meeting at the American Legion hall....."

http://uptownmessenger.com/2011/06/d...gazine-street/

Screen grab from WWL

Really like the design but I'm not sure I like it for magazine street. If you think the look and feel of Magazine Street should be preserved because it is unique & special, maybe we should resist these modernistic designs. If you say...it's only going to be this location and not make a big difference overall...what about the next time a similar design comes down the pike...and the next and the next. Where is the line drawn? I understand the whole NIMBY debate and it often has merit, but sometimes NIMBY's also have a rational argument even if they don't really know it.

tennis1400 · #**2694** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 4:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uptowngirl

Well that has more to do with the ego of the neighborhood association leadership. I can assure you that is not who I am (then again I wasn't born here

)

I can however tell you that even the pro development side is not without its egos...I was at the last meeting on the Romney Pilates studio (and that building is an abomination). Their supporters were moving throughout the room with cameras, threatening those who wanted to speak up against it with lawyers getting in their faces...it was (in my opinion) intimidation from the Romneys, their developer, their attorneys and the 5 backers of the project. I was floored by what I saw.

Certainly, there are always situations that arise on both sides but many developers feel like its better to go on offense at these meetings because engagement seems to lead to more and more demands. Obviously, preservation and neighborhood organizations have done plenty of good over the years but that doesnt excuse overreach and intimidation on their part because of their opinions or personal issues with a certain developer. Im not a fan of the "wisdom of the crowd" when it comes to development because all it usually devolves into is NIMBYISM!

tennis1400 · #**2695** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by greenparrot

Really like the design but I'm not sure I like it for magazine street. If you think the look and feel of Magazine Street should be preserved because it is unique & special, maybe we should resist these modernistic designs. If you say...it's only going to be this location and not make a big difference overall...what about the next time a similar design comes down the pike...and the next and the next. Where is the line drawn? I understand the whole NIMBY debate and it often has merit, but sometimes NIMBY's also have a rational argument even if they don't really know it.

Have you seen the Chicos Shopping Center? This building is 100 times better than that crap which is in the same block !

New Plaquemines Medical Center will have a neat roof element!

Andrew Wilson Elementary School

Hadnt seen this rendering for the new Portage Plaza on the Riverfront... this will be really nice when it opens!!!

Nottoway Plantation Master Plan

NolaWave · #**2696** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 4:47 PM**

Can anyone give me the jist of the new article on New Orleans City Business about 1031 canal? Looks like it is about people being fed up with neighborhood groups

Uptowngirl · #**2697** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 5:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by tennis1400

Certainly, there are always situations that arise on both sides but many developers feel like its better to go on offense at these meetings because engagement seems to lead to more and more demands. Obviously, preservation and neighborhood organizations have done plenty of good over the years but that doesnt excuse overreach and intimidation on their part because of their opinions or personal issues with a certain developer. Im not a fan of the "wisdom of the crowd" when it comes to development because all it usually devolves into is NIMBYISM!

I dont mind the NIMBYism as long as it is well reasoned (and there are reasons why to oppose the Walgreens on Mag). And more often than not...most of the neighborhood associations are quasi HOAs pull of puffed up self important people but that isn't to say all of them are, and its not to say that ordinary neighbors want development.
The Peniston/Delachaise area wanted Martin's to demolish several buildings for a larger store (I wasn't 110% behind that but they don't have much commercial in the area, and I don't live in that area). The Romney/Walgreens fiascoes have more often than not had some support from the neighborhood associations while most people living in the area opposed it (support for the projects were often driven by friends or business associations who want to curry favor with the developer).

Nothing in this town is as it first appears.

tennis1400 · #**2698** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uptowngirl

I dont mind the NIMBYism as long as it is well reasoned (and there are reasons why to oppose the Walgreens on Mag). And more often than not...most of the neighborhood associations are quasi HOAs pull of puffed up self important people but that isn't to say all of them are, and its not to say that ordinary neighbors want development.
The Peniston/Delachaise area wanted Martin's to demolish several buildings for a larger store (I wasn't 110% behind that but they don't have much commercial in the area, and I don't live in that area). The Romney/Walgreens fiascoes have more often than not had some support from the neighborhood associations while most people living in the area opposed it (support for the projects were often driven by friends or business associations who want to curry favor with the developer).

Nothing in this town is as it first appears.

Of course, but the Walgreens is in correct zoning( most planners agree that its current zoning would allow for the store). It seems you and I are in agreement here. Not to say that neighbors have no rights but I always think planning is best left to the professionals.

Uptowngirl · #**2699** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 5:52 PM**

See I'm not so sure...it is my understanding that current zoning does not allow for a drug store but instead the ok for the store was run through safety and permits (who should not be interpreting zoning). But its not like zoning is always followed here in N.O.
And I'm definitely not against historicist buildings as long as they use quality materials.

tennis1400 · #**2700** Posted: **Jun 24, 2011, 5:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Uptowngirl

See I'm not so sure...it is my understanding that current zoning does not allow for a drug store but instead the ok for the store was run through safety and permits (who should not be interpreting zoning). But its not like zoning is always followed here in N.O.
And I'm definitely not against historicist buildings as long as they use quality materials.

The existing zoning has been adequate for other stores around the city.