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Old Posted Aug 22, 2008, 2:55 PM
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Sure, it's Disney, but that is what Vegas is. I think the Plaza is more interesting than anything currently under construction or proposed for Vegas.
looks exactly like the proposal for marriotts grand chateau except with a few more towers

http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com...s/chateau3.jpg

its not original, its too cluttered and EIFS buildings in vegas have seen their day after the monte carlo fire
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2008, 3:53 AM
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looks exactly like the proposal for marriotts grand chateau except with a few more towers

http://www.vegastodayandtomorrow.com...s/chateau3.jpg

its not original, its too cluttered and EIFS buildings in vegas have seen their day after the monte carlo fire
I agree, The Plaza Las Vegas is so lame, before the renderings came out, I pictured one building, modeled off of the Plaza, but larger and taller. Theres simply too many towers which just makes it too tacky.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2008, 8:39 AM
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Regarding The Plaza:

In cities (like New York) each old building stood alone; a testimonial to its architect. You never saw a cluster of buildings with the same architecture. That's where the design for The Plaza fails. Instead of all the buildings being the same, they might consider using different architecture for the skinny towers (maybe even modern) and letting the main hotel building keep the resemblance of the original Plaza.

Frankly, I like the idea of skinny towers - fewer rooms per floor=a more exclusive feel for the owners. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to pull the plug on the residential element, based on the over-saturation of unsuccessful Strip condo projects.
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2008, 7:23 PM
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Regarding The Plaza:

In cities (like New York) each old building stood alone; a testimonial to its architect. You never saw a cluster of buildings with the same architecture. That's where the design for The Plaza fails. Instead of all the buildings being the same, they might consider using different architecture for the skinny towers (maybe even modern) and letting the main hotel building keep the resemblance of the original Plaza.

Frankly, I like the idea of skinny towers - fewer rooms per floor=a more exclusive feel for the owners. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to pull the plug on the residential element, based on the over-saturation of unsuccessful Strip condo projects.
I've always said that Strip condos (especially pure residential) made no sense to developers and there would eventually have to be a wake up call as the Resort Corridor is primarily reserved for income-producing casinos and hotels.

While The Harmon and Mandarin Oriental feature residential condos, they also feature boutique hotels.

Cosmopolitan, Trump, Vdara, Signature, and Palms Place are all condo hotels. Fontainebleau was expected to offer condotel product but no word as of late.

The question is...

Will Veer Towers, Palazzo Condos (still unnamed), and Sky Las Vegas be the only true pure residential condo buildings ever on the Strip?
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After Duetsche Bank's announcement in a week, the die will be cast for the near term regarding strip properties and condo-hotels. If they sell the project or keep it in house and hire-out the management or possibly entirely undo the condo sales, it will give a clue as to what other projects might do. I dont know what the decision will be, but I know that all options have been on the table. It will be interesting and soon we will know. Right around labor day, give or take a day.

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Good to know they're updating the Fremont Street casinos as well. Those always seem to maintain a certain old Vegas charm that can't be found at the new Strip megacasinos.
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Theres simply too many towers which just makes it too tacky.
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Regarding The Plaza:In cities (like New York) each old building stood alone; a testimonial to its architect. You never saw a cluster of buildings with the same architecture. That's where the design for The Plaza fails. Instead of all the buildings being the same, they might consider using different architecture for the skinny towers (maybe even modern) and letting the main hotel building keep the resemblance of the original Plaza.
You guys realize we're talking about Vegas... tacky is what defines the place. It isn't a real city (like New York) and shouldn't strive to be. It's a place of fantasy and decadence. That's the fun of it. The strip features pyramids, "Roman" palaces, Parisian mansard roofs, a fake NYC skyline, rollercoasters, castle parapets, Venetian bell towers, etc. I realize there is a major push to de-theme the place and build more "grown-up," but I think it's a mistake. Vegas ought to go with the flow and build the over-the-top, multi towered Plaza replica.
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After Duetsche Bank's announcement in a week, the die will be cast for the near term regarding strip properties and condo-hotels. If they sell the project or keep it in house and hire-out the management or possibly entirely undo the condo sales, it will give a clue as to what other projects might do. I dont know what the decision will be, but I know that all options have been on the table. It will be interesting and soon we will know. Right around labor day, give or take a day.
I've heard a rumor that the Cosmo has been sold to a major Hotel chain. It will become a Casino Hotel with no condo components. All the people who have reserved a unit at the Cosmo will have their deposits returned. Again, this is only a rumor but from a reliable source.

I think this makes sense to any potential buyer of the Cosmo. All anyone has to do is look at what's happening at the Trump. Only 200 or so units have closed out of 1282. No one is lending and most owners have to walk away. Lawsuits are flying everywhere. Why would any buyer of the Cosmo want to get invoved with that kind of mess? A Casino Hotel would have full control over all units and they would have the best location on the Strip.
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You guys realize we're talking about Vegas... tacky is what defines the place. It isn't a real city (like New York) and shouldn't strive to be. It's a place of fantasy and decadence. That's the fun of it. The strip features pyramids, "Roman" palaces, Parisian mansard roofs, a fake NYC skyline, rollercoasters, castle parapets, Venetian bell towers, etc. I realize there is a major push to de-theme the place and build more "grown-up," but I think it's a mistake. Vegas ought to go with the flow and build the over-the-top, multi towered Plaza replica.
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I've heard a rumor that the Cosmo has been sold to a major Hotel chain. It will become a Casino Hotel with no condo components. All the people who have reserved a unit at the Cosmo will have their deposits returned. Again, this is only a rumor but from a reliable source.
That's exactly what should happen. It would instantly become a very desirable property capable of commanding high rates.

And all the people who get their deposits back can come over and buy at Turnberry Place/Turnberry Towers - there are some great re-sale deals here right now.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2008, 7:08 PM
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You guys realize we're talking about Vegas... tacky is what defines the place. It isn't a real city (like New York) and shouldn't strive to be. It's a place of fantasy and decadence. That's the fun of it. The strip features pyramids, "Roman" palaces, Parisian mansard roofs, a fake NYC skyline, rollercoasters, castle parapets, Venetian bell towers, etc. I realize there is a major push to de-theme the place and build more "grown-up," but I think it's a mistake. Vegas ought to go with the flow and build the over-the-top, multi towered Plaza replica.
It is odd when there are comments about Vegas not being a real city.
Perhaps Randy hasn’t left the Strip, which is admittedly surreal.

I agree with Randy’s main point though, although I don’t think he needs to worry. Vegas should retain it’s over the top architecture and strive for more. Vegas’s ability to provide fantasy and decadence is the reason it has more hotel rooms than larger cities than New York. Randy is right that is not necessary for Vegas try to be a different city. Or “Grown Up.” I think the city’s success is in being so very unique.

I really don’t think it’s necessary to worry too much about the strip losing its quirkiness any time to soon though.
For one it’s just too expensive to tear down the all of the existing build to a massive CityCenter.
Also many of the more colorful resorts are still making plenty of money, so from a finical point of view it would make sense to replace them. ( the mirage is getting a new volcano, Excalibur and Luxor remodeled their rooms, and Caesar’s is building another Roman tower – they aren’t going anywhere for a while)
Lastly, the resorts realize they need to draw the crowds. They will do whatever is need to attract tourists. If the glass towers aren’t drawing people, they will go back to themes, or try something new. If the glass works, there will be more.
We all win any which way. Vegas loses if it doesn’t build crowd pleasers.

One last point, there have been a few that have been much too harsh on the Plaza’s design.
However, if the space is zoned for a taller building, I’d like to see something taller there myself.
Honestly – it's a wasted debate, it’s doubtful the thing will get built anyway.

On a side note - CityCenter is beginning to look more like a theme hotel than people would like to admit.

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CityCenter -Wow!

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Can't wait to see the final product as well as the final product at night.
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