PARIS | Full Summary of Projects - Page 9

mousquet · #**161** Posted: **Mar 24, 2011, 8:15 PM**

I have to say I can't understand why some of you guys would like to see some highrise projects around the Saint-Lazare station and even in other parts of the 8th arrondissement when those spots are already amazingly dense and full of nice looking buildings from the Haussmann era. You guys wouldn't demolish them, would you ? No, you never would for sure, they make up a great aspect of the city's beauty and will definitely be preserved, they're too badly precious. However those districts also include some post-Haussmann buildings that look too common, sometimes even ugly and that could be demolished without upsetting anyone, but then the new things replacing those would probably have to abide by the height standards around there to remain in harmony with the older good stuff. I grant you that the height limitations are very arguable, but in fact we've got many other spots that are way more proper than those from the very center to erect some highrises, like some areas of the outer arrondissements (from the 11th to the 20th) as far as central Paris itself is concerned, and of course over many suburban towns. Also it would be good to develop a cluster around the Montparnasse tower, there's enough stuff that can be demolished around I guess.

mousquet · #**162** Posted: **Nov 22, 2011, 12:23 PM**

Striking renovation in the rougher part of the 17th arrondissement.

Ugly commieblock before:

Nice condominium after:

Yep, all pictures show the very same building, pretty spectacular and exciting, isn't it?
It costed € 10 million to do this, which appears a very fair price to me since in addition to the new facade, the 96 apartments have been extended and all fittings and equipments must have been modernized in there. Great work of architects Frédéric Druot, Anne Lacaton & Jean-Philippe Vassal who also own the picures above.

mousquet · #**163** Posted: **Mar 9, 2012, 7:58 PM**

Oh wow... Am I dreaming? Some fair quality social housing at last?

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Originally Posted by architecturenewsplus.com

Housing ZAC Claude Bernard

Project by: Dietmar Feichtinger Architectes
Location: Paris, France
Program: Social housing with 93 apartments (28 apartments with intermediate rent and possibility to buy, 65 social housings, 655 m2 shop area, 1145 m2 offices, workshops for small firms, 78 parkings)

The building is part of a recently developed area in the North of Paris (19th district).

The main façade — south — faces an urban boulevard — Boulevard Mac Donald. The new tram way under construction will serve the area in a few months. Next to the housing, a school group, offices and facilities have been built.

The main volume of the housing is 10 stories high and measures 45 x 32 m. A small patio lights up naturally the center. Shops situated on the ground floor and offices on the 1st floor complete the building. All apartments are double oriented and a generously outdoor space — balcony, roof, terrace or loggia — are provided for each apartment. The outdoor spaces enlarge naturally the living rooms and dining area. The loggias are about 10 m2; their dimension allows the comfortable placement of a table.

The apartments are laid out on a grid of 3m20 and offer a multitude of types from studios to large 4/5 room apartments. One of the major topics has been the possible evolution by combining the apartments and adapting them to new situations over generations. The plan, composed of modules allows to reorganize and to resize the apartments.

A 30cm low parapet allows vertical openings and assures comfortable natural light in all rooms.

Solar panels on the roof provide hot water. A two stories underground parking contains 78 places, storage rooms and a large department for cycles.

Facade:

The building is well insulated on the outside face of the facade. The top skin is made of polycarbonate cellular panels of three different degrees of transparency. (Transparent, translucent, opaque).

The skin provides a depth (profoundness) to the facade by its transparency, while a film behind the panels uniforms the background. Reflected sunlight gives the building it’s special flair.

The facade of the base of the building (shops and offices) is composed by glass and concrete panels.

One storey:

Workshops with an open height of 5 meters are situated in the courtyard facing the main building.

A delivery area for small trucks is provided. The project proposes a mix of functions in a very high density.

More pictures, including the interior and some plans in their article. They say the project costed € 12.43 million, but another source says 13.43. A bit more or less than 140k per unit anyways. Cool but this is central Paris that's wealthy. When stuff like this is built all over the poor suburbs, I'll be really impressed. BTW the previous post is some social housing as well, but still in the old wealthy center.

mousquet · #**164** Posted: **Mar 20, 2012, 3:22 PM**

For the very 1st time since its completion in 1972, the 59-story tour Montparnasse is allowed to show off!

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Originally Posted by lemoniteur.fr

Le Moniteur in French.

Bah okay, this may just be some LED lighting stuff, it seems yet symbolic to me since this lonely tower, lost in old central Paris's skyline, has always been regarded by most as a bad mistake. She may be calling for some fellas to surround her at last, as room could be made around her with no heartbreaking demolition. At least, a recladding is expected. There would be a €100 to 300 million plan to modernize this spot of old Montparnasse.

mousquet · #**165** Posted: **Apr 11, 2012, 2:25 PM**

Icade promoting their renovation of Eqho (formerly Descartes) in la Défense.

• Video Link

Glass canopy, that's the ceiling of the lobby I guess.

All pictures, (c) Javier Urquijo, Icade's flickr.

Tour Eqho, Paris/Courbevoie - district of la Défense:

80,000 m² (860,000 sq ft) of office space - 5,000 employees
40 stories - 140-metre (459 ft) tall
1,090 parking spaces

www.icade-eqho.com

mousquet · #**166** Posted: **Apr 20, 2012, 8:53 PM**

Estimated averages of residential real estate in Paris proper, March 2012.
Today, €1 = US$1.32

Overall average: €8,370/m² ($1,027/sq ft)

Code:

Arrondissement              € / m²        US$ / sq ft

1st                         10,379        1,273
2nd                         9,147         1,122
3rd                         9,645         1,183
4th                         10,811        1,326
5th                         10,877        1,334
6th                         12,904        1,583
7th                         12,658        1,553
8th                         10,164        1,247
9th                         8,542         1,048
10th                        7,264         891
11th                        7,993         981
12th                        7,899         969
13th                        7,882         967
14th                        8,514         1,044
15th                        8,888         1,090
16th                        10,028        1,230
17th                        8,573         1,052
18th                        7,200         883
19th                        6,502         798
20th                        6,760         829

Source: meilleursagents.com

Again, there they're not talking about the upscale/luxury housing market, these are the average prices of regular things. That means you may have to pay that kind of prices even for a shithole full of cockroaches. But if you can afford it, then you should be able to fix it decently.

Minato Ku · #**167** Posted: **Apr 21, 2012, 3:05 PM**

And it is the price for old building.
A new building cost much more.
Easily over €10,000/m² in the edge 13th arrondissement.
Price over 8,000/m² in the edge of the 18th/19th arrondissement between a busy highway and train tracks, in the cheapest area of inner Paris.

To live in inner Paris, you need to be rich or single/in couple without kids (living in a tiny apartment) or very lucky (social housing).

Minato Ku · #**168** Posted: **Apr 24, 2012, 8:08 PM**

Duo, 175m and 115m high-rises in the 13th arrondissement.
Architect: Jean Nouvel
2018
Offices and hotel

http://www.lemoniteur.fr/155-projets...gauche-en-2018

Minato Ku · #**169** Posted: **May 4, 2012, 10:54 AM**

SoOuest mall in Levallois (western inner suburb)
53,000m²
Opening in late 2012

Minato Ku · #**170** Posted: **Jun 22, 2012, 11:47 PM**

Beaugrenelle mall, 15th arrondissement
45,000m²

colemonkee · #**171** Posted: **Jun 23, 2012, 4:50 PM**

Wow, Duo looks amazing! What's the feasibility of that actually being built?

easy as pie · #**172** Posted: **Jun 23, 2012, 6:18 PM**

wow, i can't believe the prices in paris there, back when i was in the market in 2003, apartments in the 18th around métro jules joffrin were going for under €4000/m² (sometimes much lower) in quality old buildings. and even then, people were raving about how expensive it had become. actually sort of depressing - i blame the foreigners!

Minato Ku · #**173** Posted: **Jun 23, 2012, 9:28 PM**

While foreign buyers drive the price up in some price location like Saint-Germains des Pres, le Marais and etc...
They have almost no responsability about the price in the 15th arrondissement and most parts of the city.
The main culprit is the lack of residential buildings under in construction.

Today to have prices under €4,000/m² in a quite centraly area (metro) you need to go in northeastern inner suburbs.

mousquet · #**174** Posted: **Jun 28, 2012, 6:49 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by colemonkee

Wow, Duo looks amazing! What's the feasibility of that actually being built?

Guess no one here can answer at this early point...

I think I read somewhere that the investors want to make sure that at least 50% of the office surface area is leased before starting anything.

Also, any location outside la Défense is obviously unusual to build some tall things, thus a little riskier I guess, although the current mayor is in favor of highrises at the edges of the city proper.

There is yet a cluster of residential towers of the early 70s in the 13th arrondissement. You must get almost the entire fugly thing on that tiny picture.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A larger definition is needed to admire their designs. This district is widely responsible for the hatred that Parisians devote to towers. Once in an article, I saw it called a scar on the city.

And there is the national library built in the mid-90s, still in that same arrondissement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

It's far from seen as a urban planning success, but at least its contemporary facades are much easier than the sorry 60s-70s above.

So since there are already some rather tall things in the arrondissement and there is absolutely nothing yet on the site proper, nor anything exciting around it, people may end up approving it like an improvement somehow.

stormkingfan · #**175** Posted: **Jul 1, 2012, 8:34 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minato Ku

Duo, 175m and 115m high-rises in the 13th arrondissement.
Architect: Jean Nouvel
2018
Offices and hotel

This looks like crap. Don't know what this is supposed to be. I think Paris' image would be better off without them.

In fact, a taller version of these bldgs would fit in Dubai! Sure! We know how hot it is down there, and, why not? These bldgs look like they've been in the sun too long.

mousquet · #**176** Posted: **Jul 2, 2012, 12:45 AM**

Mah!

bon, you're actually not the only one to have that kind of feelings at those renderings. I'm seeing a comment in French saying it looks like a windstorm has unstuck and crumpled the cladding, except that Dubai never came to the guy's mind...

I remember reading that renderings of Jean Nouvel's firm are usually accurate, so if that thing is ever built... well, that should pretty much be it.
As a starchitect, Nouvel is likely of guys who like trying hard to be outstanding somehow, but it's not necessarily wrong, is it?

Here's the best alternate design for the same project, but this is a loser of Christian de Portzamparc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemoniteur.fr

lemoniteur.fr

Heck, I should finally take a closer look at Dubai. Is it so bad like exclusively made of crap? nah, it must rather feel factitious cause it's all too recent. I swear I don't even care about it, focusing on my good old Paris and the West.

mousquet · #**177** Posted: **Jul 12, 2012, 6:35 PM**

Wondering if this in Issy-les-Moulineaux, a suburb neighboring central Paris, has been mentioned anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

One of the most densely populated municipalities in Europe, Issy-les-Moulineaux has successfully moved its economy from an old manufacturing base to high value-added service sectors and is now located at the heart of the Val de Seine business district, the largest cluster of telecommunication and media businesses in France hosting the headquarters of most major French TV networks.

Since 2005, they've been planning to redevelop 2 large lots along the Seine river, on either side of pont d'Issy, a bridge that connects Issy-les-Moulineaux to Boulogne-Billancourt. They want to demolish all the 80's abandonned low-rise offices on those lots poorly connected to their surroundings because of roads and railways, then completely redevelop them.

In all, the project would include:

230,000 m² (2 million sq ft) of offices at most.
13,500 m² (120,000 sq ft) of housing at least, too few given the needs of the metro area, especially of that part of the inner suburbs.
3,500 m² (31,500 sq ft) of retail at least.
1,200 m² (10,800 sq ft) of public facilities.

These are the office towers to sit on the site in a dense cluster fashion.

imageshack.us

Each is roughly 600 ft tall, 180 m. They'll be surrounded by the residential and retail facilities. The project creates the needed pedestrian areas and connections to seriously improve the site, including along the local quay of the Seine river.

Better description in French and more renderings: http://www.issy.com/UserFiles/ILM_pa...2011_light.pdf

The work is planned to begin next year but delays are likely because of opponents.
We'll append a thread for it when it's under construction.

mousquet · #**178** Posted: **Aug 17, 2012, 2:12 PM**

Athéna's getting renovated in la Défense...

http://tourathena.fr/index_uk.html

The original glass curtain is not even really old yet (1984) and looks okay:

pss-archi.eu

Work on it is beginning right now.

There's a war on energy consumption in la Défense, the local market is getting harsh in that respect. Hope they don't change what's getting a little old but still looks really good. That'd be nuts!

mousquet · #**179** Posted: **Sep 8, 2012, 6:49 PM**

Meliá hotel U/C in la Défense.

La Défense Seine Arche

Could be nice...
They've been working on the foundation for a while.
Today by Milo on pss-archi.eu:

Chicago Shawn · #**180** Posted: **Sep 9, 2012, 4:02 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by mousquet

Estimated averages of residential real estate in Paris proper, March 2012.
Today, €1 = US$1.32

Overall average: €8,370/m² ($1,027/sq ft)

Code:

Arrondissement              € / m²        US$ / sq ft

1st                         10,379        1,273
2nd                         9,147         1,122
3rd                         9,645         1,183
4th                         10,811        1,326
5th                         10,877        1,334
6th                         12,904        1,583
7th                         12,658        1,553
8th                         10,164        1,247
9th                         8,542         1,048
10th                        7,264         891
11th                        7,993         981
12th                        7,899         969
13th                        7,882         967
14th                        8,514         1,044
15th                        8,888         1,090
16th                        10,028        1,230
17th                        8,573         1,052
18th                        7,200         883
19th                        6,502         798
20th                        6,760         829

Source: meilleursagents.com

Again, there they're not talking about the upscale/luxury housing market, these are the average prices of regular things. That means you may have to pay that kind of prices even for a shithole full of cockroaches. But if you can afford it, then you should be able to fix it decently.

These are averages? That is insane. For $800 per square foot you can live in any of the highest end buildings in the center of Chicago, which is very cheap compared any other global city.

If anyone needs more proof Paris is in need of more housing on the market, these price points should do it. Granted, Paris is a special place that commands a high demand for good reasons, but that's where the developers need to be able to step in and fulfill the demand. No metropolitan area can continue to thrive if a large portion of it's center is only accessible to the wealthy or the very poor who have access to social housing.

How far out does one have to travel to rent a 90 sq meter apartment for say 1000 euros per month?