Phoenix CityScape Thread - Page 308

gymratmanaz · #**6141** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 5:17 PM**

Feels like high school all of a sudden. LOL

gymratmanaz · #**6142** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 5:18 PM**

Any elevator core forms yet?

renone · #**6143** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 5:54 PM**

I was under the impression that the second tower being built now was entirely for the hotel. Am I wrong about this? The head of our company told us that they are in preliminary discussions to move to the "new building in cityscape". We would need 5 or 6 floors, so it can't be the building that is already there. Does my boss have it wrong or is there additional office space being built?

gymratmanaz · #**6144** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 6:04 PM**

From what HX and everyone says, the second tower is only for the hotel, though it would be great if they are wrong.

plinko · #**6145** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 6:20 PM**

^They downgraded the structure and thus aren't ever allowed to add height or floors to the building. That's not a city thing, that's a building code thing. It's capped at 13 floors.

Vicelord John · #**6146** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by dtnphx

Hoover:

I had this almost identical thing with him several pages back. It will never change, he will always be a contrarian. He tells Don B. on the Coffee Thread (read it) who is suffering from depression and actually talked of suicide that it's all made up and in his head and that he knows best for him. No compassion, no listening, he only cares about his entrenched opinions. It's irresponsible and narcissitic. And Gymratmanaz is now his pal and they meet up and are just totally rad bffs and now he chimes in to defend him any chance he gets. I've learned my lesson and will not engage directly with either of them. I will speak of them as it relates to a relavent post. I suggest you do the same and have intelligent discussions with others on this board such as SilverBear, Bwonger and others.

I never said whats best for don. In fact i specifically said in the end he should do what works for him. Good reading skills, again.

Urban Rising · #**6147** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 11:05 PM**

The office above is not dead. I don't know about the code portion that Plinko is referring to or what it would take to modify the permitting, but a final decision on whether there is office above the hotel won't be reached until April. Structurally the building is being built to support the office above.

I have also heard rumors that there is funding in place for the office portion of the building.

Long story short unless renone works for United Healthcare who is taking up 5 floors in the 1st office tower, his higher ups are referring to the possible 2nd office tower above the hotel.

gymratmanaz · #**6148** Posted: **Mar 1, 2011, 11:22 PM**

From your lips to God's ears! That is encouraging!!!!

dtnphx · #**6149** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 12:27 AM**

Barron Collier, Hilton weighing downtown hotel idea

Barron Collier Companies and Phoenix officials are mulling development ideas - possibly a hotel - for a two-acre parcel downtown that is now a parking lot near the massive office and retail development, CityScape, at First and Washington streets.

A spokesman for Barron Collier, Jay Thorne, said Hilton Worldwide officials have been exploring the idea of building a hotel on the property, but nothing is firm at this point, Thorne said

Before the recession hit, the site was marked for condo towers.

"Now, the market isn't interested in condos, and not so much in office " space, Thorne said. "But the hotel industry is still looking at downtown."

Business leaders have said Phoenix could use more downtown hotel options to accommodate an increase in visitor traffic tied to the Phoenix Convention Center's expansion, a $600 million project which was completed two years ago that tripled the convention center's space.

CityScape's developer, RED Development, is building a $90 million boutique Palomar Hotel, which will be managed by Kimpton Hotels. The hotel is expected to open in 2012.

- Emily Gersema, emily.gersema@arizonarepublic.com

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Nothing new in this article compared to the Business Journal story a few days back, but it's good to see speculation/discussion on the project.

gymratmanaz · #**6150** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 1:15 AM**

Positive chatter is always better than the other kind. Nice that the chatter is coming from a variety of sources and fairly often, so far.

plinko · #**6151** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 5:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urban Rising

The office above is not dead. I don't know about the code portion that Plinko is referring to or what it would take to modify the permitting, but a final decision on whether there is office above the hotel won't be reached until April. Structurally the building is being built to support the office above.

I have also heard rumors that there is funding in place for the office portion of the building.

Long story short unless renone works for United Healthcare who is taking up 5 floors in the 1st office tower, his higher ups are referring to the possible 2nd office tower above the hotel.

How can that be? They pulled a building permit the tower with a structural fire resistance downgrade from Type IA construction to Type IB and started building the tower. Type IB has a maximum height under most any occupancy (including office and all residential/hotel) of 11 stories (I misspoke earlier and said 13). That's straight out of Chapter 5 of the IBC and is not something you can get any sort of variance for.

All previous plans have called for Type IA construction, which is unlimited height, unlimited area (except by City zoning).

Your info has been spot on in all cases previously (I know you work in some sort of construction/estimating/marketing trade), but until I see a permit for a tower with Type IA construction, it isn't happening.

HX_Guy · #**6152** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 3:31 PM**

Heard a rumor that Chipotle has signed a lease at Cityscape. Anyone else heard anything on this?

Vicelord John · #**6153** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 3:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by HX_Guy

Heard a rumor that Chipotle has signed a lease at Cityscape. Anyone else heard anything on this?

OMG i hope so!

gymratmanaz · #**6154** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 3:49 PM**

Would be awesome. What if it were next to Vitamin T though? Ouch!!!

Vicelord John · #**6155** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 3:59 PM**

Then vitamin t's death would only be faster.

gymratmanaz · #**6156** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 4:27 PM**

Chipotle would need both spaces anyway.

phoenixheadphones · #**6157** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 4:55 PM**

Man i hope thats true about Chipotle- that place would be packed everyday. Perhaps too packed, but still..

renone · #**6158** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urban Rising

Long story short unless renone works for United Healthcare who is taking up 5 floors in the 1st office tower, his higher ups are referring to the possible 2nd office tower above the hotel.

I don't work for united healthcare. I have no idea about building codes, but my understanding is that my company is being heavily recuited to occupy office space above the hotel. Maybe the broker needs to get some updated information, but that sounds a bit odd.

In other news, as I discussed earlier, it sounds like the new tenant in the Phelps Dodge building could become a reality. It could still fall apart, but it sounds like both sides are to the point where they have worked so hard on it they aren't going to walk away. Move-in date would be September for at least some of the students. And yes, as someone already guessed, it is the Phoenix College of Law. The space would be designed for 900 students, faculty and staff at One North Central. That would be a nice shot in the arm for Cityscape. Classes are mostly held during the day, but many students stay and study into the night.

gymratmanaz · #**6159** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 7:38 PM**

Both really great possibilities. Hope they both come through. More is definitely better!!!

FortyAcres · #**6160** Posted: **Mar 2, 2011, 9:53 PM**

yall are getting this worked up about a McChipotle at the expense of a local business -- and a local restauranteur who believed in downtown? Man, you Phoenicians have a loooooong LOOOOOONG way to go. I hope Postino III never makes it downtown and opens up in Gilbert next to a Wells Fargo instead.

This is especially directed @chubbyhotelbellboy #winning