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Old Posted: Nov 10, 2006, 8:49 PM
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New town proposed near Canmore

New town proposed near Canmore

Last Updated: Friday, November 10, 2006 | 12:06 PM MT
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Developers are proposing the creation of a new town on the Bow River between Cochrane and Canmore.
If approved, the new community would be built about 30 kilometres east of Canmore next to the old Seebe town site.
The proposed town would cover about 350 hectares and include more than 3,000 residences.

John Third, spokesman for developer Moondance Land — which is partnering with the Stoney Nakoda First Nation on the project — said the new community will be more than just a resort town.
"We are also developing a community that will have employment generators within it," Third told CBC News. "There's a portion of the site that is industrial, as well as commercial lands."
Third adds that the town would have retail and service infrastructure to support a community of 5,000.
Hugh Pepper, assistant reeve of the municipal district of Bighorn, said Thursday the plan will receive first reading in December and any development has to adhere to strict regulations.

"They are going to have to describe the extent of their project, the effects and how they plan to mediate those impacts," he said.
Pepper said the plan must pass three readings before being approved, and that there will be ample opportunity for public discussion.
Construction could begin as early as 2008.

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Personally I dislike this, and am very surprised that its been proposed. I am already wondering how on earth they plan to service the town, as they won't be allowed to draw directly from the Bow, and building a 30km water and sewage pipeline system would be quite expensive. Not to mention draw the ire of Calgary, who would rather no one upstream return anything to the river system. I can understand the draw to the area since Canmore has practically put a stop to further growth, and it is close to the mountains, but I don't think I'd want to live there even if there was a good commercial/industrial base in the town.

What's everyone else's take on this?
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Old Posted: Nov 10, 2006, 8:58 PM
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A few times over the last year I've found myself thinking of how cool it would be to start a new mountain town from scratch. However, I don't think the developer would share the same planning practices as I, so unless this developer is thinking of building a town that would fit in in the Alps I'll have to oppose this, most likely, rubbish.
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If this is on reservation land, prospective buyers would only be able to elase the land, which would be a huge obstacle.
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Old Posted: Nov 10, 2006, 9:07 PM
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Hmm, just did some searching and found an article on Alberta Venture about the idea as well... see here. Points out a few interesting tidbits:
  • The MD of Bighorn's total population is just 1300
  • The original rumors for the plan involved highend residential around a golf course
  • infrastructure requirements are huge:
    • new bridge into the area
    • water/sewage
  • Could become a source of workers for the new Casino which is just a few km away
From what I read its off the reserve, as the band paid $11 million for the land from Transalta.
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If they bought the land from transalta.....does it become reserve land?
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Old Posted: Nov 11, 2006, 12:06 AM
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Another Redwood Meadows sort of debacle... it won't happen.

Why not just take a D-10 Cat and bulldoze Exshaw, and start from scratch, or better yet... build the new town at Dead Man's Flat, at least it's close to the ammenities of Canmore!
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Has Canmore put a stop to further growth?? All I see there is growth. I know Cochrane has proposed a population cap (25,000?) but I'm not aware of such a thing for Canmore...
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Old Posted: Nov 11, 2006, 4:41 AM
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Cochrane hasn't proposed that (and we're likely to hit 25,000 within about 5 years if all the new developments go at their expected pace), Okotoks actually has one in place for 25,000.
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So no option of Dead Man's Flats becoming a town of sorts?

(advises his family not to buy in to condo project)
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What about that ghost town near Canmore? The name escapes me.

It's blocked off, and not accessible. The only reason I passed through it is because were going rafting and the bus has permission to pass through. Why not just build there?
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Old Posted: Nov 11, 2006, 5:21 PM
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Theres a number in the Canmore area (Bankhead, Georgetown, Anthracite are ones I know of that are to the west, although for the most part nothing is left of any of them), and of course Seebe which is where this proposal is (a more recent ghosttown, as the last residents were forced out in the early 2000's).

The main reason for this site being proposed is due to the fact it was owned entirely by one company who sold it, plus its right on the very edge of the mountains, so not as many concerns over wildlife exist there, compared to say Canmore.
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Any renderings, maps, plans available online yet?
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Proposed town excites investors
Project may face environmental opposition

Robert Remington, Calgary Herald
Published: Sunday, November 12, 2006

Without a survey stake yet in the ground, interested buyers are already clamouring for building lots in a proposed new town at the gateway to the mountains west of Calgary.

"I've probably had a dozen calls from people asking if they could give me a down payment, but I've had to tell them we don't even have approval," says developer John Third.

The proposed town, on lands adjacent to the abandoned TransAlta company hamlet of Seebe, is set on cliffs above the Bow River with views of Mount Yamnuska and the Bow Valley.

The town, seen by some as a rare chance to create a model community from the ground up, is expected to get first reading by the Municipal District of Bighorn next month.

"We have a unique opportunity to do it right," says Dene Cooper, a bird-watching enthusiast, author and reeve of the M.D.

Among the benefits that could come from the new development is a much-needed regional waste-treatment facility serving the proposed new town, Exshaw, Lac Des Arcs, Dead Man's Flats, Morley and Bow Valley Provincial Park. The park currently trucks its waste to a facility in Kananaskis.

"We're unburdened by the decisions of previous councils," says Paul Ryan, a councillor with little tolerance for advocacy groups.

"Make sure your spam filters are working. The three-toed salamanders and the two-faced environmentalists are going to be e-mailing you," he told colleagues at a council meeting last week.

Environmentalists would prefer to see the site, known as the Horseshoe Lands, remain untouched, connecting the area to Bow Valley Provincial Park with public access.

But Cooper is convinced environmental connectivity can be preserved. Steep banks provide little human access to the river. Wildlife movement from the Bow Valley to Kananaskis occurs mostly through nearby Bow Valley Provincial Park, which is home to a sizeable elk herd.

The Horseshoe land is not good wildlife habitat, argues Third, manager of marketing and public relations for Moondance Land Company, developers of the site with the Stoney Nakoda First Nation.

The land is blocked by the Kananaskis River to the west, the steep banks of the Bow on the north, and the railway and highway to the south.

The area has little aspen, willow or other similar food sources for deer and elk, which in turn attract wolves and cougars, he said.

A provincial moratorium on water licences prevents the developers from drawing water from the Bow River.

That problem, too, appears to be overcome with a successful well the M.D. recently drilled at Exshaw that taps into an underground river with extremely high water flows.

"Think of it as an ancient Bow River 700 feet underground," Cooper said.

TransAlta sold the 218 hectares adjacent to Seebe to Moondance and the Stoney Nakoda for $11 million in 2003.

They are currently in negotiations to purchase the abandoned hamlet itself, which formerly housed company workers for the nearby dam at the junction of the Kananaskis and Bow rivers.

The proposed town would accommodate a minimum of 5,000 people but could go as high as 6,500, depending on density to be determined by the M.D.

There is provision for a commercial and light industrial section that could provide warehouse and storage space for suppliers serving the hotel industry in the Bow Valley and Kananaskis.

"I see this as being a win-win situation for a lot of people," Third said.

The picturesque setting has been featured in movies such as Brokeback Mountain, where the main characters, two cowboy lovers, jump naked from a cliff into the Bow River.

A German film company is currently shooting a movie on the north side of the river across from the proposed development.

The scenery of the area is also a favourite backdrop for car commercials, as Cooper discovered recently while bird-watching in Bow Valley Provincial Park.

He was approached by security for an automaker, who thought he was engaged in industrial espionage, capturing photos of an as-yet-unveiled new model cars.

"They covered the cars up right away and came over to us. They meant business," Cooper said.

"Once they knew who we were and what we were doing, they let us watch. But we had to put our cameras away."

rremington@theherald.canwest.com

© The Calgary Herald 2006
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"We're unburdened by the decisions of previous councils," says Paul Ryan, a councillor with little tolerance for advocacy groups.

"Make sure your spam filters are working. The three-toed salamanders and the two-faced environmentalists are going to be e-mailing you," he told colleagues at a council meeting last week.
what a quality human-being.
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I am curious to know what the developers vision for the town will look like.Will it be compact European alpine-esque community, or will it just be a standard issue suburban cluster of sprawl set in the mountains? The Bow Valley corridor has the potential to become a true model of sustainability and compact development, but it remains to be seen of this will actually be the case. I mean between Lake Louise, Banff, Canmore and Seebe, the region could be home to 30-35 000 people, or a small city!
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He only speaks the truth, a rarity for a person in public service.
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That is what will be interesting to see. I see the project quite likely going ahead without much opposition, so hopefully the MD Council pushes for the developer to come up with a responsible design, as it would be an amazing place to try it as it won't be encumbered by anything for the most part. The comments from their reeve do make the possibilty of this sound quite promising at least.

I may, depending on when Bighorn holds their council meetings, take a trip out to for the meeting, and maybe they will have some more details available that may not have been reported by then.
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"We're unburdened by the decisions of previous councils," says Paul Ryan, a councillor with little tolerance for advocacy groups.

"Make sure your spam filters are working. The three-toed salamanders and the two-faced environmentalists are going to be e-mailing you," he told colleagues at a council meeting last week.



what a quality human-being.
It is easy to be so dismissive when you have never been on the receiving end.

Look at the Joint Review Panel for the Mackenzie Delta pipeline project, activists have reduced the process to little more than a freak show. Future projects of that type are in jeopardy when they are needed most because of all the poor precidents for special interest participation it has set.

Look at the Toronto Waterfront, activist squatters on the Toronto Islands have made doing much of anything on the waterfront impossible. From killing the Toronto Island bridge to protesting absolutely any public activity that might bring people into a public park. My personal favorite is the Docks fiasco where these idiots had the Docks liqour license pulled over noise complaints. The funny thing about the Island squatters is be they protesting the Toronto Island Airport, the Docks or the public stepping foot in a public park - they are usually making a whole lot more noise then the subject of their protest.

There is a point where if you want to get something done that you have to tell the environmentalists and misc. activists to goto hell.

If we had modern activism in the past, every advance in human civilization since the 16th century would have been hindered or destroyed.
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If this is on reservation land, prospective buyers would only be able to elase the land, which would be a huge obstacle.
I was wondering that myself. If true, it would definately be a dealbreaker. For me anyway.
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I see row after row of three car garages, two storey homes, with stamp size back yards. Perfect development near the Rockies.

Oh yeah can't forget the big box developments! Have to have them.
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