liberal leadership race

trueviking · #1 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 7:48 AM**

the first ballot is in and it seems that the delegates agree by a slim margin that belinda stronach is better looking as a brunette.

just kidding....did anyone watch the speeches?....ken dryden was great!

i am really torn about who would be the best for the liberal party.

a lot of people like iggy and i think that he could be the daring choice that takes the country in a new direction...he might also take the liberal party down in flames.

bob rae terrifies me....with few seats west of manitoba, the liberals need ontario overwhelmingly to win.....i dont think rae can deliver.

gerrard kennedy is a good manitoba boy and has charisma and gave a great speech today, but if you cant fluently speak french, you cant be prime minister....for me, it is his only fault...he might be able to deliver some western seats, could win in ontario and the marritimes....since quebec basically doesnt count much anymore, maybe it isnt such a big issue.

stephane dion is a decent, honourable guy who i think canadians could trust, especially up against the arrogant car salesman harper...he is likeable and intelligent.....his speech today sucked....i wonder if he can deliver anything in quebec though, being the clarity act guy.

joe volpe's video before his speech looked like a grade 9 student put it together....it was like being in his basement watching his travel slides as his kid in the next room blared tom cochrane on his stereo.

anyways what are your thoughts on the leadership race?....i am interested to hear what people think from other regions...who would do best in your province?

first ballot:

1. Michael Ignatieff 1,412
2. Bob Rae 977
3. Stéphane Dion 856
4. Gerard Kennedy 854
5. Ken Dryden 238
6. Scott Brison 192
7. Joe Volpe 156
8. Martha Hall Findlay 130

it is going to be an interesting weekend.

Taller Better · #2 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 7:52 AM**

Hey, that is interesting! I missed it all due to work. I don't know though.... even though she is obviously a "bottled blonde", I think Belinda looked better bleached out. Maybe she just needs a shorter haircut now, or something but it looks mousy.

drew · #3 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 7:52 AM**

I am choosing Kennedy as the dark horse...and also the best choice if the Liberals truly want a change. He speaks french as well as Dion speaks english...

Ignatieff comes across just as arrogant and condescending as Harper (and maybe even more so) in several one on one interviews I have seen. I don't like him.

Taller Better · #4 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 7:54 AM**

It is too bad about Kennedy's French. It isn't good, and frankly it is probably
not as good as Dion's English. But I haven't heard him talk much in French yet.

waterloowarrior · #5 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 7:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by drew

Ignatieff comes across just as arrogant and condescending as Harper (and maybe even more so) in several one on one interviews I have seen. I don't like him.

heh, check out the mercer report video of him "Iggy and Evan Solomon"
http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/

Taller Better · #6 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 7:57 AM**

I'll bet I am the only one here who CANNOT stand Rick Mercer. I find him so smug that I want to smack him.

trueviking · #7 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 8:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by drew

Ignatieff comes across just as arrogant and condescending as Harper (and maybe even more so) in several one on one interviews I have seen. I don't like him.

i agree with that....they are both kind of similar....very intelligent, but uninspiring and arrogant....dion and kennedy are the opposite....if you could morph them together, you would have a good candidate.

the liberals need to offer an option to harper...iggy is too similar.....but on the other hand, dont you want the smartest guy leading the country, even if he is condecending?

i guess it is about electibility though...

taller...belinda is doing commentary on cbc...the hair looks better on video....take a look before casting your vote.

Boris2k7 · #8 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 8:31 AM**

Sorry, haven't been really watching. I'm more interested in the Tory leadership race here in Alberta. It's just far more relevant to me. We will probably know tomorrow night who will be our next Premier/Monarch.

That said, I caught a bit of the stuff on the Liberals on Global tonight (I'm more of a CTV person myself but I needed to watch Global for a sociology project). Bob Rae has turned out to be an... interesting candidate.

I also don't like Rick Mercer.

Only The Lonely.. · #9 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 9:59 AM**

Anyway you put it; none of these guys are prime minister material. I'm not a big fan of Harper but I have a hard time believing Bob Rae or Ignatieff could win...

On one hand you have the man who completely bankrupted Ontario (Rae)..

Or you can choose some snotty pie in the sky Harvard intellectual (Ignatieff) who would like nothing better than to add Prime Minister to his resume, never mind the fact that he has an American accent.

Waterlooson · #10 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

Anyway you put it; none of these guys are prime minister material. I'm not a big fan of Harper but I have a hard time believing Bob Rae or Ignatieff could win...

On one hand you have the man who completely bankrupted Ontario (Rae)..

Or you can choose some snotty pie in the sky Harvard intellectual (Ignatieff) who would like nothing better than to add Prime Minister to his resume, never mind the fact that he has an American accent.

I agree with all your points, except Rae might be able to beat Harper because Rae has, at least the potential, to unite the left.... so it would be right vs. left.... I don't think Ignat. could beat Harper... right vs. pseudo right? I'd choose the real Mc Coy.

MonkeyRonin · #11 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 6:06 PM**

ehh? accent? I dont even notice any accent from Ignatieff, not that it even matters, mind you. (well, as long he doesn't talk with a southern accent. that would be embarassing)

DrJoe · #12 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 6:25 PM**

Im hoping Rae wins it. Dion can barely speak English and Ignatieff combines the blandness of Dalton McGuinty with the smug arrogance of Stephen Harper.

Bassic Lab · #13 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

i agree with that....they are both kind of similar....very intelligent, but uninspiring and arrogant....dion and kennedy are the opposite....if you could morph them together, you would have a good candidate.

the liberals need to offer an option to harper...iggy is too similar.....but on the other hand, dont you want the smartest guy leading the country, even if he is condecending?

i guess it is about electibility though...

taller...belinda is doing commentary on cbc...the hair looks better on video....take a look before casting your vote.

I think you're off on Dion. He is very much an intellectual, remember, like Ignatieff he was a proffessor. It is his charisma that may be lacking, especially with the limited english.

What I really can't understand is the long held beleif that the hatred seperatists have for Dion in Quebec makes him unelectable. It isn't really like the people with the big hate on were going to vote for a federalist party any way. I think the soft federalism of Paul Martin and Ignatieff has failed as a strategy for the Liberals, it doesn't bring soft sovereignists over.

He seems to be looking good for the leadership now as well.

ErickMontreal · #14 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:05 PM**

Dion!

duper · #15 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:17 PM**

Yes, it will be Dion. He's been the real underdog of the campaign. He had way less funding than Rae, Ignatieff and Kennedy, yet he still manages to pull off a win (I suspect its a win).

Andy6 · #16 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Dion!

What a disastrous choice.

Our Tory geek can beat your Liberal geek any day.

Only The Lonely.. · #17 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

ehh? accent? I dont even notice any accent from Ignatieff, not that it even matters, mind you. (well, as long he doesn't talk with a southern accent. that would be embarassing)

Yaa, if you listen carefully to how Iggy speaks he sounds a lot like John Kerry. That's just my opinion though.

adam-machiavelli · #18 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:47 PM**

This is kind of redundant now that Rae is out. But people who are terrified of Bob Rae should remember that him and Ignatieff were cut from the same academic cloth (they were also roommates at U of T). It was Rae's cabinet who were incompetant, not him.

Only The Lonely.. · #19 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:51 PM**

I figure if Iggy were a muppet he'd look a lot like Guy Smiley..

PhilippeMtl · #20 Posted: **Dec 2, 2006, 11:54 PM**

Dion is hated in Quebec...

I see a ''never seen before victory'' for Bloc Quebecois in the next election.

What a bad choice.

I will vote for Duceppe in the next election!