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Old Posted: Jul 24, 2007, 3:57 AM
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wtf???? 43 MURDERS??

Montreal is at 19.
Wow, I think Montreal will finish 2007 with about 10 less murders than Toronto has now.

Montreal seems to be the best North American example of a safe large city (is it?).
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Old Posted: Jul 24, 2007, 3:59 AM
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Unless you live in one of the troubled neighbourhoods or you're an over protective parent, most people in Toronto don't worry too much about serious crime. Downtown is pretty safe too. The bad neighbourhoods are scattered throughout the 416 area, but many of the bad neighbourhoods are actually on the outskirts of the city. The crime situation is just like any other Canadian city. I know I sound like I'm downplaying the significance of crime in Toronto, but that is not my what I'm trying to do. I really wish something would be done about poverty in this city and all those 70s housing projects that seem to create most of the crime. Crime is a problem, but we're just as safe as the rest of Canada.
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Toronto is safe too.

Gang related crime is unpredictable and spreads like disease. I remember there was some gang related murders too at the beginning of the year in Montreal too, things are now really calm.

With so few murders in each cities, its really hard to figure out any year-to-year trends, if any, that there's very few murders in both cities.

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Yes, Toronto is highly safe and Montreal is extremely safe. I'm glad we can never compare them to what they have in most U.S. cities.
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Crime always peaks in the summer and then goes down as the cold Canadian winter settles in (and then it typically moves indoors)

It's funny how people in Canada get all freaked out over what amounts to really low murder rates for populations of their size (sexual assault/property crime is on par with the U.S. and sometimes higher). Crime was way worse in the 70s in both Toronto and Montreal (don't know about the rest of Canada).

Where I'm living now in the U.S. if I listened to the news every night I would never leave my home for fear of being murdered.
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Thanks for the replies -- as I expected, the crime in Toronto is not the issue some (not all) of the media would have you believe.

Crime can happen anywhere for sure, but to me, Toronto still seems to have one of the safest downtowns and surrounding areas in North America, and the suburbs tend to be, well, suburban. Every city has some rougher parts, but from what I can tell, even those rough areas are quite safe to drive through, and that's not always the case in every city.
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Toronto is at 48
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Montreal at 20.
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Old Posted: Aug 5, 2007, 5:13 PM
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if i remember right many more police officers were killed in Toronto in the 1970's and 1980's then now.
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In Toronto it is mostly gang related, so the murder rate can fluctuate dramatically year by year.

Read this from last year.



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Saskatchewan is safe: Official

Officials say Saskatchewan is safe despite reporting the highest crime rate among all provinces for the ninth straight year.

Statistics Canada says the crime rate dropped by four per cent in Saskatchewan last year. But violent crime was up two per cent, robberies were up 18 per cent and violent crime among youths rose 10 per cent in the province.

Maynard Sonntag, the acting justice minister, says most of the crimes take place in at-risk communities such as northern and inner city areas where poverty is a problem. Sonntag says there is no doubt that more work, such as anti-gang initiatives, needs to be done.

But he adds that people are not at risk when they’re out-and-about in public, noting that in the vast majority of violent crimes the victims know their attacker.

-Canadian Press
Officers turn to force more often: Unions
In spite of new figures showing the national crime rate hit its lowest point in more than 25 years in 2006, police officers say they're finding they need to use force more and more frequently.
Jul 18, 2007 05:13 PM
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A new study says the national crime rate hit its lowest point in more than 25 years in 2006, driven by a decline in non-violent crime.

Statistics Canada says the crime rate dropped by three per cent last year, mainly due to declines in break-ins, thefts under $5,000 and counterfeiting.

The national crime rate has declined by about 30 per cent since peaking in 1991.

In Toronto, the violent crime rate was 738 incidents per 100,000 population, well lower than the national average of 951, according to the Statistics Canada data released today. The city's 2006 homicide rate of 1.8 per 100,000 was just below the national average of 1.9.

Toronto's downward trend in violent crime appears to be continuing this year, with the number of shootings down 28.1 per cent over the same period last year. As of today, there have been 41 homicides in Canada’s largest city compared to 42 at this time last year.

“Crime is down across the board,” Toronto Police Service spokesman Mark Pugash said today.

From a law enforcement standpoint, having more police officers on the street than in many years and greater co-operation from the public are helping to make a difference, he said.

Toronto's property crime rate was the lowest among Canadian cities with population above 500,000, StatsCan's numbers showed.

The rate fell in every province and territory last year, with the largest drops reported in Prince Edward Island, Alberta, New Brunswick, British Columbia and Saskatchewan.

The total violent crime rate remained virtually unchanged from 2005, mainly due to a stability in the rate of minor assaults, which account for six in 10 violent crimes.

The national homicide rate fell 10 per cent, halting two years of increases, but there were increases in many serious violent crimes such as attempted murder, aggravated assault, assault with a weapon, robbery and kidnapping or forcible confinement.

The property crime rate dropped four per cent from 2005, as the rate of break-ins fell five per cent to its lowest level in over 30 years. The rate of motor vehicle theft also declined, down two per cent

The crime rate among young persons aged 12 to 17 rose three per cent in 2006, the first increase since 2003. The rise was driven by increases in mischief and disturbing the peace. The rate of young people accused of homicide was the highest since 1961, when data were first collected.

The largest drop among the provinces was reported in Prince Edward Island, down 11 per cent, followed by declines of about five per cent in Alberta, New Brunswick and British Columbia.

Despite a four per cent drop in overall crime, Saskatchewan reported the highest rate among the provinces for the ninth straight year, followed by Manitoba and British Columbia. Ontario, Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador had the lowest rates, continuing an eight-year-old pattern.

Violent crime rates declined or remained stable in all provinces, except for slight increases in Quebec and Saskatchewan. Similarly, property crime rates declined or remained unchanged in all provinces and territories. The largest drop in property crime rates was in Saskatchewan, down 13 per cent.

The largest declines in urban crime rates occurred in the West – Saskatoon fell nine per cent while Abbotsford, B.C., and Regina both dropped eight per cent. Even so, Regina, Saskatoon and Abbotsford recorded the highest overall crime rates, in that order.

The largest increases were reported in London, Ont., a nine per cent rise, and Sudbury, Ont., and Saguenay, Que., both increasing eight per cent.

Saguenay still reported the lowest crime rate, despite its increase.

Police reported 605 homicides in 2006, 58 fewer than in 2005. This resulted in a rate of 1.85 homicides per 100,000 population, 10 per cent lower than in 2005. The national homicide rate has generally been declining since the mid-1970s, when it was around 3.0.

Virtually all provinces and territories reported declines in their homicide rates in 2006. The most notable occurred in Ontario, where there were 23 fewer homicides.

The highest homicide rates were found in the Western provinces. Saskatchewan, which had 40 homicides, reported the highest rate (4.1 per 100,000 population) among the provinces.

The lowest provincial homicide rates were in Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Quebec. Quebec's 1.2 per 100,000 population was its lowest in that province in 40 years.

The highest urban homicide rates were reported in Regina, 4.5 homicides per 100,000 population, followed by Edmonton (3.7) and Saskatoon (3.3).

Bucking the national trend, the Ottawa-Gatineau area reported an unusually high number of homicides. The rate in Gatineau (3.1) was the highest in almost 20 years, and Ottawa's rate (1.8), while similar to the national average, was the highest in over a decade.
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Old Posted: Aug 5, 2007, 5:48 PM
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I read an interesting article a year ago and a UFT professor said that crime may occur less but it is more in the open and is happening in more public places.
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really we may say how the big cities have crime rates but i remember doing this type of project in grade 12 and a lot of the small towns in the West and North are really messed up.
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yes the overall gun crime in toronto is down

but this is not the case for homicides
there have been 50 homicides this year compared to 45 last year and 39 in 2005

51 or 53 out of 80 homicides in 2005 resulted with a shooting

29 out of 70 homicides in 2006 resulted with a shooting

so far this year

26 out of 50 homicides have been by guns


*but the number of people being shot in Toronto is down from each of those years
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In Toronto it is mostly gang related, so the murder rate can fluctuate dramatically year by year.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!


1. Murder in Toronto is NOT "mostly gang related"- it is almost completely between acquaintances and whether they are members of that shibboleth that you call a "gang" often has nothing to do with the interpersonal disputes that lead to murders.

2. The murder rate in Toronto DOES NOT "FLUCTUATE DRAMATICALLY YEAR BY YEAR"! It is INCREDIBLY stable, so much so that the peak number of murder in Toronto, in 1980, was barely above 3.0/100,000. Contrast this with New York City, which has had murder rates as high as 40/100,000 in the mid-1980s (that's almost 3000 murders, FIVE TIMES MORE than the entire NATION of Canada) and as low as last year's 6/100,000. Toronto's is almost always around 2/100,000- it's perhaps the most STABLE murder rate of any city in North America. Even among Canadian cities it's an outlier- Calgary's murder rate has been as low as .8/100,000 and as high as 4/100,000.

You have no idea what you are talking about- so STOP TALKING.
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i notice the murders that make the biggest splash in the news are almost always gang related
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if a guy murders his wife, it is not a danger to society but the people in that house.

If someone gets shot on a street it can hurt many innocent people. Thats why.
Crime that happens in private areas and that why it isn't covered. Gang killings happen in public areas. It also because they are caused by such deep social problems.

I think its people who have "beef" with each other that are being Murdered.


Actually shootings are down but it appears more people are being stabbed. Sadly, maybe the only good thing about that it is impossible to hurt a third party unless a guy walks between the two of you while your fighting.


Also WHISTLER because Toronto is around 2.5 million people, 60 people or 70 people being murdered does not change the murder rate dramatically.
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does San Francisco only have 750.000 inhabitants??? i guess the suburbs will have much lower rate, so in total the murder rate should be less.
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San Francisco has about 5 million people, the 750,000 in San Francisco is the city proper, like the 650,000 in Toronto. ('Toronto' being Toronto pre-amalgamation)
Sorry, I forgot about this thread, but I guess I'll answer...

San Francisco has between 750,000 and 800,000 people. The SF MSA, has around 4.5 million, and this is one metro where the idea that "crime ends in the suburbs," is not so true. The SF suburbs actually have some of the higher crime rates in the USA, but then again the SF metro includes not only SF, but other high crime cities, such as Oakland and Richmond. The 2006 murder rates for SF, Oakland, and Richmond, respectively, were: 11.6, 37, and 40 per 100,000.

For 2005, the murder rate of the San Francisco MSA minus the Cities of San Francisco and Oakland was 4.54 per 100,000 people. So our suburbs (combined) have a higher murder rate than any central city in canada. (of course there are MANY MANY very safe suburb cities as well) I also want to add that the murder rate for the SF metro, with Oakland and SF included, for 2006, had to have been around 7 to 8 per 100,000, by my estimation. I don't have specifics but there's no way im gonna try and count the homicides up for several dozen different towns and cities.

And while I'm at it, I guess I might as well mention that SF has had between 66 and 73 murders so far this year (at least 50 by guns). Oakland has had 79. Also, shootings are way up in SF. In 2001, there were 81 shooting victims treated at SF General Hospital. In 2006, there were 228 victims treated there. Stabbings are way up too.

Ok, sorry for the derail off the topic of Canadian cities. Damn, we need a new murder rate thread in City Discussions.

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Well, it looks like Calgary has experienced a hectic week...regardless, our cities are very, very safe.

Calgary reeling after week of violence
Police investigators cancel holidays to handle rash of eight killings in eight days

Jamie Komarnicki, Calgary Herald
Published: 1:21 am

CALGARY - Calgary limped out of a bloody week of violence -- capped by a deadly weekend crime spate -- that strained police resources and left many residents on edge over safety in the city.

A downtown Calgary street was peppered with bullets during a gang shoot-out early Sunday morning. One man was killed, found slumped over his steering wheel.

Two other downtown area shootings were reported within 50 minutes of each other.

Hours later, police found the partially clothed body of a woman in the inner city Ramsay neighbourhood, dead of a violent assault.

A speeding car mowed down two young men outside the Whiskey nightclub early Saturday morning, leaving them dead before fleeing the scene.

All told, police are investigating eight deaths in the past eight days.

"It's definitely freaking me out. Every day another body," said Beltline resident Stephanie Oshiro, 21. "I'm scared to go out at night by myself. (The city) has definitely changed."

Longtime Calgarian Greg Bates, 40, said Calgary's small-town feel is long gone.

"I don't even go out to bars anymore in Calgary, I don't want to take the chance," he said.

"Maybe I'm being a little paranoid about it. Am I willing to take the chance of going to one of these areas and having somebody doing a drive-by? It's not worth it," he said.

Summer months usually see a spike in crime, said Mount Royal criminologist Doug King. But Calgary's experience in recent days is far from the norm, he said.

With more police officers patrolling downtown Calgary, authorities have focused on cleaning up the city's core to stamp out inner-city violence. But while overall crime rates are going down in Calgary, it's a different story in specific neighbourhoods, said King.

And the fact that some of the recent string of violent crimes in the city have occurred in heavily-populated areas including downtown, Beltline and Kensington, is cause for concern, King said.

Several police investigators cancelled holidays to keep up with this weekend's rash of crimes, Deputy Chief Peter Davison said.

Last week Calgary Mayor Dave Bronconnier said he's pushing for up to $5 million this fall to fund in part extra policing in the downtown core.

Davison pointed to the negative effects that come with the city's economic boom, but insisted Calgary is still a safe place to live.

"We're a city of a million people. We won't be crime free," Davison said.

"It's still a safe city. I believe downtown Calgary is safe."

But with the violent, public nature of the recent crimes, police need to assure the public they hear their concerns, King said.

"Whether or not they're prepared to acknowledge it's a trend, or an issue -- all they have to do is acknowledge the snapshot, and don't downplay it."

Mark Dahl, 29, lives a few block from the Whiskey where Saturday morning's deadly hit-and-run took place, and said he often hears cars racing up and down the streets at night -- a dangerous practice especially when people pour out of bars and clubs in the early morning hours.

"It may be more surprising these things don't happen more often," he said.

After learning of the violent death of the woman just blocks from his Ramsay home Mike Mudry, 29, says his girlfriend refuses to head out alone at night.

He was pragmatic about the spate of crimes.

"That's what happens when the population explodes. Any big city will have it," said Mudry. "You can't be paranoid all the time."

The record for Calgary was 31 homicides in 1992. Since June 1, homicide detectives have investigated eight deaths.

There have been 18 confirmed homicides in Calgary so far this year, and four more deaths under investigation, including the two men killed in Saturday's hit-and-run and Sunday's two suspicious deaths.

Despite being short of police officers to battle the city's violence, Davison says investigators are making headway in some recent crimes. Police may be making arrests in the case of a homeless man who was severely beaten near the Drop In Centre July 28, he said.

With the spike of highly visible crimes, there's certain to be unease amongst residents and some "pretty significant questions placed at the doorstep of people who can make change," King said.

The important thing is not to move from concern to panic, he said.

The community needs to be willing to invest some significant money in police and social agencies, King said.

"The quickest solution is not adding another 20 or 30 officers, it's adding another 200 officers. We need that kind of visibility from our police in all areas in the city of Calgary."

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thats quite scary considering you guys only get only like 25 murders a year.
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