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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 12:15 AM
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only once has some one tried to steel one of are cars... lets just say they could not get it to move and it was left runing... my mother caught the guy and proceeded to diss him for not knowing how to drive a stick then after bitching at him she kicked him in the ass and sent him on his way

... the car is tank...... aka a full manual 72 volvo 145s wish i had the skill/space to do the rust on it inless someone knows or has a farly rust free 145

once is one time too many.
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once is one time too many.
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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 12:19 AM
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huh?

I mean it shouldn't even happen at all; but of course that belief only exists in a perfect world.

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o lol
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Now i'd like to see someone try this with a Smart Car.
Although it wouldnt hold 4 people... Smart cars are actually quite durable when it comes to collisions.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RxmiV2PFluM
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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 4:03 AM
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Although it wouldnt hold 4 people... Smart cars are actually quite durable when it comes to collisions.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RxmiV2PFluM
Thanks for the Smart Car kamikaze footage. I had no idea those things were so sturdily built.
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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 4:08 AM
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I had a car stolen at Polo Park and broken into 3 times in downtown. It is a big problem.. and should be focused on much more. Perhpas the penality for theft should be increased... especially for youth, who seem to get off scott free. I think a good dose of reality is in order.
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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 5:18 AM
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Yep. The kid who stole mine that second time got off with pretty much a warning from what I understand. Thats despite the fact he'd already been caught 3 previous times, and this time he stole 12 or so vehicles in a single day (him and his friends just drove around until they ran out of gas, and found another neon to steal since that was all he knew how to hotwire).
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Random car theft facts:

Cow-orker of mine had his car broken into all the time (downtown lot in Winnipeg, he worked "late" a lot - ie: after 6). Car never taken, just stuff stolen. So, he started leaving his doors unlocked hoping at least they'd try that first and realize there was nothing there. Lost 3 windows in the first year of his "experiment". At least we know car thieves are dumb.

Ford Mustangs used to be the worst cars in Canada in terms of theft. Something like 5x as stolen as the next car, proportionally (numbers from the Insurance Bureau of Canada). After that it was easy to steal cars, like anything North American and Civics.

Never had a car stolen or broken into in 10+ years of owning one in Winnipeg, including parking downtown a lot during day, evening, and weekend hours. Still pissed off that car thieves got so little time, considering it's not just the car - they bugger up your entire life for weeks.
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wow, i'll be crying tears of sympathy all night for the thief... *cough*
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"Cow-orker"

A what?
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"Cow-orker"

A what?
Wondered if anyone would catch that!
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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 7:08 PM
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What the hell.... its getting so bad cows starting to get involved in the crime wave??
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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 7:28 PM
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Just curious to know how the whole bait car scheme works. Do they place these cars in an area with a high rate of cartheft? And are these cars set out as bait the preffered models of car thieves? Just curious.
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Old Posted: Jan 13, 2007, 10:09 PM
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Here's some info on Vancouver's success with decreasing auto crime with its bait car program. It's from the VPD website:

http://city.vancouver.bc.ca/police/o...tCar/index.htm

This info is a few years old now but from what I've read over the years the program has been quite successful across the whole metro area. I recall reading an article perhaps a year ago that said the program was going to be or already was expanded to include boats and even mentioned using it in such things as ATVs and snowmobiles.

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Vancouver Police Bait Car Program

2004-05-25

Auto Theft in the City of Vancouver has reduced. One of the initiatives that we credit with that reduction is the Bait Car Program.

The Vancouver Police Bait Car Program was launched in September of 2002. The Bait Car program is a partnership between the Vancouver Police Department, (VPD) the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, (ICBC) and Emergency Communications Southwest B.C. (ECOMM).

ICBC provided initial, as well as ongoing funding to enable the Bait Car Program to get up and running, as well as to continue on. ICBC also manages the advertising campaigns, an integral part of the entire program.

The Bait Car Program is about deterrence as well as prosecution, and letting the criminal know that they will be arrested gives them something to think about prior to any theft.

Bait Cars are vehicles that are equipped with GPS tracking technology, as well as video and audio recording equipment. This equipment, supplied by BSM Wireless, is the latest in technology in vehicle tracking. The program works the following way:

Bait Cars are deployed in previously identified target areas. When a thief opens the door of a Bait Car, an activation alarm is sent to the monitoring station at E-COMM. From this terminal, E-COMM personnel can monitor:

* if the doors are opened or closed,
* if the ignition is on or off,
* speed of the vehicle,
* and exact location of the vehicle at all times.

E-COMM then notifies the appropriate police jurisdiction of the activation. When the time is right, police officers advise E-COMM to remotely disable the vehicle. This causes the engine to stop immediately. Police officers can then take the suspect into custody at a time best suited for the situation. After the suspect is in custody, video evidence of the incident, as well as tracking records are available for court purposes. This is especially beneficial with passengers in the car. Evidence is available as to their knowledge of the crime.

Bait Car Program is also assisted by Citizens Crime Watch volunteers. This group assists with the deployment of the vehicles on a regular basis. Without their assistance, a significant amount of additional police resources would be required.

As a result of the successes we have had, the program has been expanded throughout the Lower Mainland of British Columbia.


The success of this program speaks for itself.

The Vancouver Police Bait Car Program has just completed its second year of operation and has proven itself to be a very effective crime deterrent program. In the past two years, auto theft has declined significantly in the City of Vancouver , with an overall reduction of 9.7 % compared to the same time period one year prior to the Bait Car Program.

What does this mean to you?

343 vehicles not stolen in Vancouver the first year of the program!
604 vehicles not stolen in Vancouver in the second year of the program!

To put it is some kind of perspective, in the past two years, 947 families did not loose the use of their vehicles, and have to deal with the related inconveniences.

How big is this financially?

On a personal value, studies have shown that each individual on average looses approximately $300.00 for time lost due to obtaining replacement vehicle, personal items stolen in the car, claim appointments, etc, and an additional $300.00 deductible on average. Add these up and the figure is $568,200.00

ICBC figures show that each stolen vehicle claim costs them an average of $4000.00. Multiplied out, this comes to an overall savings of approximately $3,788,000.00.

We continue our battle on Auto Theft daily, and look forward to continued success.

Recently, A new webpage has been launched by ICBC. This web page gives you ideas on vehicle theft prevention and top stolen vehicles. It also has some examples of Bait Car footage that you can view over the internet. Use this link to view the page www.stolencarshow.ca these and other stolen auto information.

Working together, we can reduce Auto Theft.

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I think they probably use ICBC's info on top stolen vehicles to determine which cars to turn into bait cars.
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Old Posted: Mar 8, 2007, 8:14 PM
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Put brakes on teen car thieves, Chomiak urges

Thu Mar 8 2007 | By Bruce Owen | Winnipeg Free Press

MANITOBA'S Justice Minister Dave Chomiak is repeating calls for the Harper government to live up to its commitment to put the brakes on reckless teen car thieves.

"It's an indictable offence to steal a cow, but it's not an offence to steal a car," Chomiak said Wednesday, in response to the "catch and release" of six boys, aged 13 to 16, who are accused of stealing two Cadillac Escalades in Winnipeg earlier this week and going on a wild ride that damaged many other cars.

Chomiak said he's frustrated Ottawa has not started to revamp the Criminal Code to make auto theft a crime of its own and beef up the Youth Criminal Justice Act to give prosecutors more power to hold suspected auto thieves in custody.

Right now, youths arrested for stealing cars are either charged with joyriding, possession of goods obtained by crime, or theft under or over $5,000.

By making auto theft a crime of its own under federal law, a conviction could potentially carry heavier penalties, Chomiak said.

Manitoba and Nova Scotia tabled these recommendations and others at a meeting of justice ministers last October, and seemed to get a sympathetic ear from then-federal Justice Minister Vic Toews.
At that time Toews committed to toughen up the YCJA and examine options regarding pre-trial detention.

But Prime Minister Stephen Harper moved Toews out of the post last January, replacing him with Robert Nicholson. Chomiak said he's written to Nicholson about the review of the YCJA but hasn't received a response.

Chomiak said more flexibility to hold youths in custody for auto-theft crimes is needed, regardless if they have a criminal record.

Under the five-year-old YCJA, a youth with no record who is caught stealing a vehicle can't be held in pre-trial custody. That's because the law focuses more on rehabilitation than punishment for first-time offenders.

Chomiak also said changes to the YCJA picked up steam in December with the release of Nova Scotia's Nunn commission report.

The commission examined what lead to the Oct. 14, 2004 death of Theresa McEvoy in Halifax. She was killed by a 17-year-old Archie Billard, who was driving a stolen car and trying to evade police when he caused a crash.

Billard had been released from police custody two days earlier. He was later sentenced as an adult to 5 1/2 year in prison.

Commissioner D. Merlin Nunn said Billard should not have been released from custody on the earlier date. Among the reasons blamed were the limiting bail provisions of the YCJA. He recommended the Nova Scotia government urge Ottawa to change the YCJA to emphasize public safety and increase flexibility for pre-trial detention.

Nunn also said the YCJA was sound legislation that works well in dealing with many young offenders, but needs to be amended to deal with more troubled youth who continuously snub the law.

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What happened:


MONDAY, 11 a.m.: several youths troll Polo Park Shopping Centre parking lot and steal two older-model Cadillac Escalades. It's believed the SUV were used to ram into other vehicles.


MONDAY, 1 p.m.: police spot one of the stolen SUVs driving in West Kildonan and give chase down south on Main Street.

MONDAY, 1:15 p.m.: the vehicle is abandoned on Church Avenue. Several youths are seen running into an apartment building.


MONDAY, 2 p.m.: police arrest six boys 13-16. The second damaged Escalade is found abandoned on Boyd Avenue near Arlington Street.


MONDAY EVENING: each of the boy's is released by police into the custody of their parents. As none has a criminal record, police and the courts are powerless to hold them in custody. The boys are told not to communicate with one another and not to be in a vehicle without the owner's permission.


Public would get tough with young offenders

IT'S wrong for six boys arrested after Monday's smash-up derby with two stolen Cadillac Escalades to be home with their families, a random selection of people said yesterday at the mall where the SUVs were stolen. And the law that kept them out of jail and let them return home -- Canada's Youth Criminal Justice Act -- is too lenient, said the shoppers at Polo Park Mall.

CLAUDIA MACDONALD


"I'm so sick of it. These kids, they get slapped on the wrist and they go out and do it again."


LEE CHRISTENSON, 21.


"The security guards can't do anything. They'll kick kids out of the mall but they're back a week later."

DIANA DYCK


"They should close the malls down at six o'clock. Parents should be home with their kids, not working. And unfortunately, the way the system is right now, parents have it tough

trying to be tough with their kids."


STEPHEN FALK


"If the kids are old enough to be doing things they shouldn't be doing -- they're old enough to take

responsibility. They're old enough to be punished. What are the parents going to do? Ground them? If there's no recourse in the legal system, what the parents can do is pretty limited." JACKIE DYKSTRA, 17


"Are you kidding? I'd leave them in jail to learn their lesson. As a parent, I would have left them in jail, if I had kids."
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Old Posted: Mar 8, 2007, 8:15 PM
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Stolen car hits jogger on Wellington Crescent
Man may have been deliberately struck


Updated at 11:54 AM | March 8th 2007| Winnipeg Free Press

By Bruce Owen

A 49-year-old jogger is in guarded condition in hospital after he was struck -- perhaps deliberately -- by someone speeding down Wellington Crescent in a stolen car, police said today.
Const. Jacqueline Chaput said police learned of the hit-and-run shortly after 6 a.m. when a group of runners called 911 saying a blue car swerved at them as they jogged down Wellington Crescent.

Moments later the same group of joggers called police saying they found an injured man lying on the road at Wellington near Lanark Street.

Chaput said police got a good description of the car, including a licence plate number, and put out a broadcast for patrol cars to be on the lookout.

The car, an early-’90s Pontiac Sunbird, was found a short time later by police, abandoned near Broadway and Langside Street. It is now being examined by a police forensic team.

The injured jogger was rushed to hospital in unstable condition with head injuries, and has been upgraded to guarded.
Police ask anyone with information about the car, or its driver, -- it’s believed two people were in the car -- to call detectives at 986-2877.

Chaput said the incident highlights the need for all car owners to theft-proof their vehicles.

“It’s unfortunate it’s come to this,” she said. “Based on what’s happening here, it could have potentially tragic consequences.”

Police had no information on where or when the Sunbird was stolen.

On Wednesday 31 vehicles were reported stolen to police. There were also nine attempted thefts. Police also recovered 14 vehicles that had been reported stolen days earlier.

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Old Posted: Mar 8, 2007, 8:20 PM
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That's my friend and co-worker who got hit this morning.

Sure hope they get whoever did this and deal out some real justice.
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It's sick how out of control car theft is in this town..

I can't think of anyone I know who hasn't had their car either stolen or broken into. Myself, included.
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