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marshall · #**23641** Posted: **May 23, 2012, 10:52 PM**

Wonderful pictures! Keep them coming, guys!

Davidsam52 · #**23642** Posted: **May 23, 2012, 11:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by pnapp1

look at what we have going on here:

looks like they're getting ready do do something with the podium facade.....

chris123678 · #**23643** Posted: **May 23, 2012, 11:55 PM**

What's going on with the base?

599GTO · #**23644** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 1:22 AM**

Roadcruiser1 · #**23645** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 2:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by chris123678

What's going on with the base?

Preparations for base cladding.

Thunderpriest · #**23646** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 2:10 AM**

I have been a long time reader of this thread, following the construction of 1 WTC since its beginning. Until now, I have been content to read everyone's input and have enjoyed the pictures and posts. However, with the recent alterations to the spire, I felt like I had an opinion to share.

1st. The spire should still remain classified as a spire and not an antenna, as it is anchored to the building using cable stays. I had read that the cables were one of the primary reasons for the classification as a spire. If the cladding is removed, but the underlying structure is still anchored by the cables, it should still count towards the final building height, if I understand correctly.

2nd. It is shameful that the Durst Company is making the decision to remove the cladding this late in the game. This is an integral design feature and the bare spire, even with LED lighting, is far less attractive. The least that they can do is to paint the spire white, but the renderings don't give that impression.

3rd. If there is no possibility of using the fiberglass radome, there is a rather simple solution to covering the antenna. White tensile fabric. Look at the roof of the Denver Airport as an example. A sheath of fabric could be made, in 8-12 separate sheets that could be raised like sails using the same type of kevlar cables used to stay the mast. This would require virtually no modification of the spire. A pulley system would have to be added to the top of the spire to allow for the hoisting of the sheath panels. The periodically spaced rings on the mast for affixing the radome would help to give the fabric a similar profile to the radome enclosure. Maintenance is then quite simple.....just lower any "sail" that requires repair or replacement....nobody would even have to climb the spire. As an added bonus....the LED lights could illuminate the fabric from within, and I believe it would actually look better than the radome. This couldn't be an overly expensive compromise, and it would look nearly identical to the radome clad spire from a distance.

I just had to throw my two cents out there.....as I can't believe that an idea this simple hasn't been thought of.

chris123678 · #**23647** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 2:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

Preparations for base cladding.

So when will that take place? Within the next week maybe?

NewYorkDominates · #**23648** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 4:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by chris123678

So when will that take place? Within the next week maybe?

Late 2012

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O-tacular · #**23650** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 3:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Thunderpriest

I have been a long time reader of this thread, following the construction of 1 WTC since its beginning. Until now, I have been content to read everyone's input and have enjoyed the pictures and posts. However, with the recent alterations to the spire, I felt like I had an opinion to share.

1st. The spire should still remain classified as a spire and not an antenna, as it is anchored to the building using cable stays. I had read that the cables were one of the primary reasons for the classification as a spire. If the cladding is removed, but the underlying structure is still anchored by the cables, it should still count towards the final building height, if I understand correctly.

2nd. It is shameful that the Durst Company is making the decision to remove the cladding this late in the game. This is an integral design feature and the bare spire, even with LED lighting, is far less attractive. The least that they can do is to paint the spire white, but the renderings don't give that impression.

3rd. If there is no possibility of using the fiberglass radome, there is a rather simple solution to covering the antenna. White tensile fabric. Look at the roof of the Denver Airport as an example. A sheath of fabric could be made, in 8-12 separate sheets that could be raised like sails using the same type of kevlar cables used to stay the mast. This would require virtually no modification of the spire. A pulley system would have to be added to the top of the spire to allow for the hoisting of the sheath panels. The periodically spaced rings on the mast for affixing the radome would help to give the fabric a similar profile to the radome enclosure. Maintenance is then quite simple.....just lower any "sail" that requires repair or replacement....nobody would even have to climb the spire. As an added bonus....the LED lights could illuminate the fabric from within, and I believe it would actually look better than the radome. This couldn't be an overly expensive compromise, and it would look nearly identical to the radome clad spire from a distance.

I just had to throw my two cents out there.....as I can't believe that an idea this simple hasn't been thought of.

Good suggestion. It doesn't sound like Durst-bag is even entertaining other options though. From what I can gather he's just a stubborn cheap ass who won't compromise and just wants to do as bare minimum as possible. If he won't even paint it, do you think he'd add something as "fancy" as cloth?

Edit: I'm beginning to think his idea of high maintenance for the spire is anything not involving leaving it as a rusting pigeon roost.

RockMont · #**23651** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 6:33 PM**

What is the rate of speed, the glass facade is going up now?

NYC=WTC · #**23652** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by RockMont

What is the rate of speed, the glass facade is going up now?

Looks like one full floor or one half floor per day. Seems like glass installation is a relatively simple process once they finish the floors

chris123678 · #**23653** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 8:09 PM**

Why Do We Have To Wait Until Late Year if the base is ready for glass now?
I'd give my own assumption and say it wills start early June.

Thunderpriest · #**23654** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

Good suggestion. It doesn't sound like Durst-bag is even entertaining other options though. From what I can gather he's just a stubborn cheap ass who won't compromise and just wants to do as bare minimum as possible. If he won't even paint it, do you think he'd add something as "fancy" as cloth?

Edit: I'm beginning to think his idea of high maintenance for the spire is anything not involving leaving it as a rusting pigeon roost.

Now that you mention it, that's precisely what the rings look like....perches.
I was hoping that the thing will painted at least, and that the renderings attempted to take the setting sun into consideration when the coloring for the spire was added. The entire building has an orange cast to it. If for no other reason than weatherproofing, the spire must be painted.

I still really think that the tensile fabric is the best compromise.
It just doesn't seem as though Durst would even consider any compromise.

CarlosV · #**23655** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 10:12 PM**

cloudy, foggy for the last 2 days.....kinda eerie looking..

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aquablue · #**23656** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 10:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-tacular

Good suggestion. It doesn't sound like Durst-bag is even entertaining other options though. From what I can gather he's just a stubborn cheap ass who won't compromise and just wants to do as bare minimum as possible. If he won't even paint it, do you think he'd add something as "fancy" as cloth?

Edit: I'm beginning to think his idea of high maintenance for the spire is anything not involving leaving it as a rusting pigeon roost.

If the spire is left like that, I'll eat my hat! I have more faith in NYC, as a global world city, than many seem to have. There is no way that the future signature pinnacle of NYC and reminder to 9/11 will be crowned with an ugly spike that would be viewed as a major eye-sore anywhere else in the city. Shame on NYC's leaders as a whole if they let this man bring his miserly little plan to fruition without even a whimper. Again, I'll be shocked if this occurs. It is just not a plausible thing to do when you are dealing with such a site. It would be a massive error to go cheap here, massive and selfish, and the world, i.e, the cognoscenti, the foreign press, etc would look at NYC and its population in its entirety as if it were insane, miserly or negligent. I for one won't be personally affected, as spires in any form do not wet my whistle, so to speak. I'm more of a roof person, therefore I will probably just admire the building itself and discount the needle on top as a mere after-thought, a lingering monument to greed and stinginess, the paucity of good aesthetic taste and to a complete and utter lack of proper foresight/due diligence. What a clusterf***, pardon my french.

Roadcruiser1 · #**23657** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 11:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by chris123678

Why Do We Have To Wait Until Late Year if the base is ready for glass now?
I'd give my own assumption and say it wills start early June.

It's not ready. They haven't finished the concrete work, and they need to put non structural steel to change the current Chinese takeout box shape of the base to a square base similar to the bases on the former Twin Towers. Then the base glass will go up.

chris123678 · #**23658** Posted: **May 24, 2012, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

It's not ready. They haven't finished the concrete work, and they need to put non structural steel to change the current Chinese takeout box shape of the base to a square base similar to the bases on the former Twin Towers. Then the base glass will go up.

Then what's with that stuff hanging out the spaces between the windows of floor 20? I don't see why they don't do the upper portion first while they work on the lobby portion.
I'm just a little hyped about the base glass because i know this tower will look great with it.

NYC=WTC · #**23659** Posted: **May 25, 2012, 12:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by chris123678

Then what's with that stuff hanging out the spaces between the windows of floor 20? I don't see why they don't do the upper portion first while they work on the lobby portion.
I'm just a little hyped about the base glass because i know this tower will look great with it.

Relax, hold your horses

There is no more concrete work on the base, it has already been poured and cured. That goes for the foundation work as well. What they are probably doing now behind that black netting is installing support anchors for the cladding of the base.

chris123678 · #**23660** Posted: **May 25, 2012, 1:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYC=WTC

Relax, hold your horses

There is no more concrete work on the base, it has already been poured and cured. That goes for the foundation work as well. What they are probably doing now behind that black netting is installing support anchors for the cladding of the base.

Cool. Thanks For Explaining, but a pic posted by pnnapp1 and the anchors and brackets were all in.