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aluminum · #**2601** Posted: **Mar 8, 2008, 3:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by supertall76

As much as I like the idea of the tower being 1776 ft, it takes a mast (spire) to get that high! The roof is only 1368 ft- small change by todays standards. Personally I would have liked to show the terrorists that when they knock down the WTC, we will simply build the tallest skyscraper in the world in its place.... and we'll erect it faster than anyone too. We are the USA. I hope that doesnt sound too imperial but heck just look at the drawings of the freedom tower next to other supertall builidings around the world. It doesn't stand out as anything special! You put the Freedom Tower in Dubai and its just another building.

Well said.
If not WTB, they should've atleast made it 1776' to the roof.

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Originally Posted by supertall76

I hope that doesnt sound too imperial but heck just look at the drawings of the freedom tower next to other supertall builidings around the world. It doesn't stand out as anything special! You put the Freedom Tower in Dubai

or Chicago, or HK , or Shanghai ...... (what next ?.... Moscow ?)........... this list keeps gettin' bigger every year............................................. (no offense)

fastdupree · #**2602** Posted: **Mar 8, 2008, 10:14 PM**

Yes, I agree on the idea of the Freedom Tower being 1,776' to the top of the roof. It's not like we're asking for it to be 2,000' like the CS or as tall as Burj Dubai. I'm sure the architects themselves wanted it to be much bigger when they issued their proposals knowing other bigger, better and taller skyscrapers were on the way. How can you claim world's tallest when you never had a chance in the first place. I love NY and the Empire State Bldg will always be my favorite on the planet but if ground zero is too affraid for a mega building to be built, then build one somewhere in Manhattan just to show we still have some balls. Especially when the economy gets better.

Daquan13 · #**2603** Posted: **Mar 9, 2008, 1:51 PM**

Sorry for saying this, but.................,

I think you all should be so glad that Ground Zero is getting anything at all, much less tall office towers. The officials could have very well left it as is or just build the memorial and nothing else, which is what some of the 09-11 families wanted at first.

You should not be so picky over how tall the roof will be. Here we are, about to get the very latest in skyscaper technology and architecture.

The Freedom Tower will also be beautiful, spectacular and elegant in in all its glory, in both height and stature - yet all some of you seem to want to do is nit-pick at it because you don't think that the roof of the tower is high enough.

Let it go. Sit back, relax, watch and enjoy as the building sprouts out of the ground and soars into the sky.

Dalton · #**2604** Posted: **Mar 9, 2008, 7:40 PM**

The original Twin Towers were criticised for being too tall and overdominating for the area. A single 2000' tower would look even worse, totally dwarfing everything surrounding it. I think the current plan with 3 "shorter" supertalls and one near supertall will integrate the WTC site into the overall lower Manhattan skyline much better and form a much more pleasing skyline cluster as well as a more comfortable environment for those working within.

Let's face it, the United States has likely lost the title of "World's Tallest Building" for good. Deal with it.

Daquan13 · #**2605** Posted: **Mar 9, 2008, 9:09 PM**

I don't even care about the USA having the WTB any more.

And also, the ESB will be the ONLY office tower on earth for a long time to have had that title for just over 40 years.

So New York has nothing to be ashamed about.

RandySavage · #**2606** Posted: **Mar 9, 2008, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dalton

I think the current plan with 3 "shorter" supertalls and one near supertall will integrate the WTC site into the overall lower Manhattan skyline much better and form a much more pleasing skyline cluster as well as a more comfortable environment for those working within.

I agree. While the massiveness of the original Twins was integral to what made them great, it also served to diminish the surrounding buildings to the point of making them look like little toy models. The new WTC is much gentler on the surrounding skyscrapers, to the benefit of the downtown skyline.

CHAPINM1 · #**2607** Posted: **Mar 9, 2008, 10:28 PM**

We'll be getting two towers of the same height back and then some! It will definetly be more dense, towers 3 and 4 will now be highrises as well! I honostly can't complain!

fastdupree · #**2608** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 1:42 AM**

I also don't care very much of NY having world's tallest title anymore being that Dubai is going to build something taller everytime it gets a challenge. I just want to see something somewhere in Manhattan that makes me say "Wow" not only in looks but in pure building height. The Freedom Tower looks to become a great Skyscraper in beauty and size and yes, we are lucky to get such a gift. But, I just want to see something built somewhere in NYC that has serious dominance on the skyline like CS will in Chicago or Burj Dubai in Dubai. I think Dubai just might be the new Disney World of the future when people start flocking there in the years to come just to see a Skyscraper that has the tittle we had in the US for so many years. I'd even be happy with something in NY the size of SWFC but not with a spire.

Jobohimself · #**2609** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 3:40 AM**

I agree that much more could have been done for the Freedom Tower. I LOVE tower 2, however.

Jobohimself · #**2610** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 3:44 AM**

We cannot have WTB anyway because the FAA limits building height in the US to 2000 feet.

Alliance · #**2611** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 4:25 AM**

It has been well established that that is not the case. Those guidelines can be overridden with FAA approval.

Daquan13 · #**2612** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 3:02 PM**

He's right, it IS true.

The FAA WON'T allow buildings built taller than 2,000 ft. ANYWHERE in the country.

Nowhereman1280 · #**2613** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 3:32 PM**

^^^ No he's not Daquan. Its been gone over again and again, these are only guide lines. It is entirely possible to get special permission to build taller than 2000'...

Here is the actual FAA documents regarding this restriction:

http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa7460-1.pdf

Direct quote from the document:

"A proposed structure or an alteration to an existing structure that exceeds 2,000 feet in height above the ground will be presumed to be a hazard to air navigation and to result in an inefficient utilization of airspace and the applicant has the burden of overcoming that presumption. Each notice submitted under the pertinent provisions of this part 77 proposing a structure in excess of 2,000 feet above ground, or an alteration that will make an existing structure exceed that height, must contain a detailed showing, directed to meeting this burden. Only in exceptional cases, where the FAA concludes that a clear and compelling showing has been made that it would not result in an inefficient utilization of the airspace and would not result in a hazard to air navigation, will a determination of no hazard be issued."

Note that it specifically says that in cases where it can be shown that a structure over 2000' will not be an inefficient use of airspace and not a hazard, an exception can be made. In other words, you are wrong...

Daquan13 · #**2614** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 4:22 PM**

Not so fast.

Proposed? Yes, maybe. Who knows for sure? The proof is NOT in the pudding until it has actually been approved and construction started.

But has one actually been built yet? No. Wanna bet that there's going to be a lot of red tape & BS trying to get approval for it? Could be.

Bottom line is though, that the Freedom Tower will be a magnificent and extraordinary structure when completed. It and Tower 2 will both be giants, so no one
should be complaining about the roofs of the two supposedly not being tall enough.

Nowhereman1280 · #**2615** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 4:39 PM**

No, I do not wanna bet. I know there will be lots of red tape, when is there ever not lots of red tape when dealing with the federal government?

However, your original statement was not "It will be a pain in the ass to get permission build a building taller than 2000'", but the following:

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The FAA WON'T allow buildings built taller than 2,000 ft. ANYWHERE in the country.

WON'T does not mean "it can happen, but it will be hard", it means it can't happen, so, yes, your original statement was completely wrong.

I can't wait for the first 2000'+ building to be built in the US so that myth will be disposed of once and for all...

Daquan13 · #**2616** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 4:47 PM**

Whatever. I know what I said. Go do some more research, because until and unless this happens, you got your wires crossed.

Let it go and stop beating up on a dead horse. I'm not here to argue or debate with you.

Let's just stick with the discussion of the Freedom Tower, please.

That talk is all irrelevent, off topic and has absolutely nothing to do with the Freedom Tower.

Now getting back to the Freedom Tower, I'm anxiously waiting to see it rise from the ashes at Ground Zero. It will be the most spectacular thing since the construction of 7 WTC!

fastdupree · #**2617** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 7:07 PM**

Here in Philly, The rule in the 80s was not to ever build a skyscraper over William Penn's hat at top of city hall which is about 500 feet tall. Now, today we have atleast 7 skyscrapers taller than Willy Penn and more on the way. Rules can be changed.

aluminum · #**2618** Posted: **Mar 10, 2008, 9:39 PM**

^^^ Thats right, and haven't you guys heard of this old saying: 'You don't make history by following the rules... '

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Originally Posted by Daquan13

Bottom line is though, that the Freedom Tower will be a magnificent and extraordinary structure when completed.

It might be magnificent, it can be extraordinary structure, hell it can even become the 'Eighth Wonder of the World', but [this is a big 'but'], i t i s n o t t a l l
e n o u g h w h e n m e a s u r e d f r o m s t r e e t l e v e l t o r o o f . When it isn't, it just isn't.

Daquan13 · #**2619** Posted: **Mar 11, 2008, 12:28 AM**

Oh stop it, will you?

Some of you are just NEVER satisfied with the stuff that is planned for Ground Zero.

Will you be nit-picking at the other towers as well? Deal with it.

nick22185 · #**2620** Posted: **Mar 11, 2008, 12:57 AM**

Any new construction pics? The most recent ive seen were taken in January.