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Old 06-13-2009, 04:16 PM
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Yes, there is an updated rendering showing a completely different design. The ones above that AustinSksycrapers posted are at least several years old and outdated. They were also showing it when it was supposed to be around 705 feet tall with 47 floors.

Here are the new ones:



These thumbnail images below are drawings that Goothrey and priller did.


Drawings by Goothrey


Drawings by priller
But hey, any like official rendering came out yet? There is basically no news. Well, thanks for the intel Kevin, and thanks to Goothrey and priller for the model making.


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Old 06-13-2009, 05:21 PM
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I am really looking forward for the 830 footer, to rise in Austin!

Thanks Kevin for the update!


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Old 06-13-2009, 08:36 PM
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Wow!


How great are the T.Stacy renderings?!!

This is the same architect that designed the petronas towers right?!! I think the guy was trained at UT right? I think this is a hugely important building for Austin... it will make the skyline more dynamic, almost as if it is in movement...


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Old 06-13-2009, 09:01 PM
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Yes. Cesar Pelli designed the Petronas Towers. That building's architect was I.M Pei, a world famous architect which also did the Canary Wharf Tower.

A Few Designs by Pelli:

1.World Financial Center @ New York City
2.Carnegie Hall Tower @ New York City
3.Petronas Twin Towers @ Kuala Lumpur
4.Bank of America Corporate Center @ Charlotte
5.Wells Fargo Center @ Minneapolis

I though am not sure if this architect is either Cesar Pelli or Clarke Pelli


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Old 06-13-2009, 10:28 PM
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Well, guys, realize that this building is extremely speculative and, at this point, is fairly unlikely to be built, at least as it is shown in the rendering. I'm hope I'm wrong about that, but I don't see a building of that size and expense (the twisting tower is doubtless more pricey to build) being funded any time soon.

I would bet the only part of this project we'll see any time soon is the 10-story parking garage in the front.


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Old 06-13-2009, 10:40 PM
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T. Stacy first announced a project for this site in December 2004. If he couldn't get it built during the current downtown boom cycle that is now winding down, it
doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon or at all.


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Old 06-13-2009, 11:32 PM
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Well, guys, realize that this building is extremely speculative and, at this point, is fairly unlikely to be built, at least as it is shown in the rendering. I'm hope I'm wrong about that, but I don't see a building of that size and expense (the twisting tower is doubtless more pricey to build) being funded any time soon.

I would bet the only part of this project we'll see any time soon is the 10-story parking garage in the front.
I'm also doubtful, but the irony of recessions are favorable economic conditions to begin construction. I've heard from other downtown developers that construction costs are down 25% from 2007. Other members of this forum might corroborate this. A discount of that magnitude can have significant positive impact on a developers' pro forma, or at least help wash the surplus in office space until the market rebounds.

Until this discussion was rekindled on this forum, I didn't think much about this project. But, as I find myself saying more often... I'm cautiously optimistic we could see construction this year.


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Old 06-14-2009, 01:02 AM
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You're blowin' smoke!
Where there's smoke there's fire. Somebody seems to think it matters:
"Mayor Will Wynn and council member Lee Leffingwell have requested that city staff prepare a presentation regarding the effect the ongoing national financial crisis could have on the city’s operations and planning. Specifically, the presentation is expected to address
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- the city’s bond rating and ongoing debt service capability

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City staffers have been asked to provide their perspective on options for minimizing the potential effects of the economic downturn, and to reassess the city’s financial picture for bond sales by taking into account the future municipal bond marketplace".

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin...6/daily65.html

Since I've only attracted fringe arguments and nobody cares to discuss my main point --- the city's eagerness to buy/build new things when we already own perfectly good equivalent things --- there's no reason to continue this thread. But it would have been nice to discuss adaptive reuse, and not wasting non-Capitol-view-restricted lots on low-rise city buildings.


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Old 06-14-2009, 02:09 AM
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Does anybody here have Austonian updates? I am sure it is on the 50th floor now.


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Old 06-14-2009, 05:55 AM
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I posted some photos of the ROT rally I took today from 6th Street. Check it out!

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=170410


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Old 06-14-2009, 06:14 AM
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I think they have reached 50. Or maybe on 49, what do you all think.
They should be close to 50 about now.

Has anyone noticed how nice the skyline is getting. With Monarch lit
and Capital Tower, and all other lights from buildings, the skyline is lit well.

Very exciting!!!


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Old 06-14-2009, 03:02 PM
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Yes. Cesar Pelli designed the Petronas Towers. That building's architect was I.M Pei, a world famous architect which also did the Canary Wharf Tower.

A Few Designs by Pelli:

1.World Financial Center @ New York City
2.Carnegie Hall Tower @ New York City
3.Petronas Twin Towers @ Kuala Lumpur
4.Bank of America Corporate Center @ Charlotte
5.Wells Fargo Center @ Minneapolis

I though am not sure if this architect is either Cesar Pelli or Clarke Pelli
Cesar Pelli is the senior partner in the firm Pelli Clarke Pelli. Fred Clarke studied at UT. The third partner is Cesar Pelli's son.


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Old 06-14-2009, 06:49 PM
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Really man, that is confusing!


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Old 06-14-2009, 08:08 PM
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Yes, there is an updated rendering showing a completely different design. The ones above that AustinSksycrapers posted are at least several years old and outdated. They were also showing it when it was supposed to be around 705 feet tall with 47 floors.

Here are the new ones:



These thumbnail images below are drawings that Goothrey and priller did.


Drawings by Goothrey


Drawings by priller
but where did they get these designs from?


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Old 06-14-2009, 08:40 PM
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Where there's smoke there's fire. Somebody seems to think it matters:
"Mayor Will Wynn and council member Lee Leffingwell have requested that city staff prepare a presentation regarding the effect the ongoing national financial crisis could have on the city’s operations and planning. Specifically, the presentation is expected to address
(edit)

- the city’s bond rating and ongoing debt service capability

(edit)
City staffers have been asked to provide their perspective on options for minimizing the potential effects of the economic downturn, and to reassess the city’s financial picture for bond sales by taking into account the future municipal bond marketplace".

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin...6/daily65.html

Since I've only attracted fringe arguments and nobody cares to discuss my main point --- the city's eagerness to buy/build new things when we already own perfectly good equivalent things --- there's no reason to continue this thread. But it would have been nice to discuss adaptive reuse, and not wasting non-Capitol-view-restricted lots on low-rise city buildings.
Northcross, I am trying to stay on topic as much as possible, so...
I totally agree with you about wasting city blocks on low rise city buildings. I definitely think the federal courthouse and especially the library should be relocated. But that doesn't change the fact that we need a new library. The fact of the matter is that it is woefully inadequate right now. The only reason I see that we wouldn't need a new one is that there is an incredible one north of the current one. Frankly though, if you take into account UT's library, the only reason for Austin to have a library is for Austin residents to get a library card and then participate in TexShare. If you want to make that arguement, then I would actually agree with you. I frankly have no idea why people use Austin's libraries when you could use the 8th largest library in the country.
But if that argument doesn't work for you (why should a city be reliant on an outside institution for something as basic as its library), then the current library has lived out its usefulness. Both it and the police headquarters were built when Austin were less than 1/2 of it's current size. And it is not like these buildings are going to just disappear. The current library will be used for the Austin History Center. These also need a new building because they too are quickly running out of space. Adaptive reuse is already used in Austin. But that doesn't change the fact that Austin has grown very quickly and much of its old infustructure was not designed to cope with today's populations.


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Old 06-14-2009, 10:08 PM
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I still dont believe that it willbe built. Even if it is it wont be completed or even topped out till 2013 or later. The Austonian will be finished before stacy even breaks ground. We have our version of Stacy here in Lexington. It is Webb. He said CentrePoint would be done in time for the Word Equestrian Games in 2010. Whell it is a vacant lot in the middle of downtown. think both these people our good at blowing smoke up our


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Old 06-15-2009, 04:39 AM
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Has anyone noticed how nice the skyline is getting. With Monarch lit
and Capital Tower, and all other lights from buildings, the skyline is lit well.
Yeah, I saw downtown last Saturday night from Mopac. It's looking really good. I caught my first glimpse of Ashton lit (from that angle). We're definitely adding to the night skyline too.

And speaking of the skyline, I was down around San Antonio today. On the way back home I spotted downtown from just north of Buda. Actually just north of the SH-45 interchange which is just north of Buda. Front and center, the skyline showed up. Ashton, The Austonian and Frost Bank. Lots of rolling thunder on I-35 today too. It was a beautiful sound (and sight).

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but where did they get these designs from?
If you're talking about priller and Goothrey, their drawings were probably a bit of improv since there weren't renderings showing it from all angles.


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Old 06-15-2009, 04:53 AM
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Yeah, I saw downtown last Saturday night from Mopac. It's looking really good. I caught my first glimpse of Ashton lit (from that angle). We're definitely adding to the night skyline too.

And speaking of the skyline, I was down around San Antonio today. On the way back home I spotted downtown from just north of Buda. Actually just north of the SH-45 interchange which is just north of Buda. Front and center, the skyline showed up. Ashton, The Austonian and Frost Bank. Lots of rolling thunder on I-35 today too. It was a beautiful sound (and sight).
Thanks Kevin! I have noticed as well and I am a big fan of our progressing skyline.


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Old 06-15-2009, 08:36 AM
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If you're talking about priller and Goothrey, their drawings were probably a bit of improv since there weren't renderings showing it from all angles.
where did they base their renderings from?


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Old 06-15-2009, 02:52 PM
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FYI..Took a ton of shots yesterday afternoon, both from downtown and areas to the S and SW. Man oh man does Austonian look impresive on the skyline. What makes it all the more exciting is we have at least another 100+ feet to go. I'll post this evening.


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