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Talking SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

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Here is the list. I'll remove it once it is on the front page.

Under Construction

Ariel Suites
Ariel Suites LP is developing this 269 ft, 22 story High-Rise in Little Italy. 2014 Completion


15th & Island South Tower
Pinnacle Development is developing this 479 ft, 45 story High-Rise in East Village. 2016 Completion.


North Embarcadero Visionary Plan Phase 1
Implementation of the First Phase of the master plan is being overseen by the NEVP Joint Powers Authority. Spring 2014 Completion.


Celadon at 9th & Broadway
Bridge Housing was selected by CivicSD to develop this 15 story, 197 ft affordable housing High-Rise in East Village. 2015 Completion.


13th & Market
Hanover properties is developing this six story market rate apartment building in East Village. 2013 completion.


15th & Market
Holland partners is developing this six-story apartment building in East Village. 2014 completion.


Lofts at 688
Oliver McMillan is developing this five-story apartment building in East Village. 2014 completion.


Horton Plaza Park
CivicSD in partnership with Westfield is developing this park at Horton Plaza. 2014 completion.


San Diego County Administration Center Park
San Diego County is developing this park in Little Italy. 2014 completion.


Approved

Pacific & Broadway
Bosa Development is developing this 41 story, 458 ft condo high-rise in Columbia. 2016 completion.


Kettner & Ash
Bosa development is developing this 35 story, 414 ft condo high-rise in Columbia. 2017 completion.


Stadium View
Stadium view LLC is developing this 30 story, 416 ft condo high-rise in East Village.


15th & Island North Tower
Pinnacle development is developing this 45 story, 479 ft residential high-rise in East Village.


11th & Broadway
Pinnacle development is developing these 31 and 32 story (310 & 319 ft) residential high-rises in East Village.


Central Courthouse
The State of California is developing this 22 story, 389 ft courthouse in Columbia. 2017 completion.


Sempra Energy Building
Cisterra Is developing this 16 story, 261 ft Office high-rise in East Village. 2015 completion.


Lane Field North
Lankford & Associates is developing this 17 story, 205 ft Hotel high-rise in Columbia.


Lucia nel Cielo
SD Mega Block LLC is developing this 23 story, 240 ft apartment high-rise in East Village.


Blue Sky
Gray development is developing these 23 and 25 story (230 & 240 ft) residential high-rises in East Village.


Atmosphere
CivicSD is developing this 12 story, 125 ft residential building in Cortez.
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I.D.E.A. District First Project
I.D.E.A partners are proposing this six story mixed-use development in the I.D.E.A district of East Village. 2014 completion.
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450 B Plaza Enhancement
BLC Inc is developing this six-story office building in Core.


14th and Island Park
CivicSD is developing this park in East Village.


East Village Green
CivicSD is developing this park in east village.


Proposed

401 W. Ash
JR Legacy Holdings is developing this 22 story, 268 ft Hotel High-rise in Columbia.


Pacific Heights
MB Urban Properties is developing this 22 story, 249 ft residential high-rise in East Village.


Ballpark Village
JMI Realty is developing this 36 story, 402 ft residential high-rise in East Village.



Makers Quarter
Lankford, Phelps, Portman is master planning this 5 block development in the I.D.E.A. District of East Village. 2020 completion.

Hilton Bayfront Expansion
One Park Blvd LLC is developing a 500 room expansion of the existing Hilton Hotel. 2016 completion.


San Diego Convention Center Expansion
San Diego Convention Ctr., Corporation is developing the phase 3 expansion of the San Diego Convention Center. 2016 completion.


Rad Lab
Rad Lab Partners are developing this temporary urban park in East Village. 2014 completion.
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As new projects are announced, cancelled, begin construction, etc.... I'll try to keep this master list up-to-date. Feel free to correct me if I've put a certain project in the wrong category.


UNDER CONTRUCTION

Electra

Bosa Development is building a 43-story residential tower with 248 condominiums and 411 parking spaces at the southwest corner of Kettner Boulevard and Broadway. This project will rehabilitate the existing historic SDG&E Station B power plant building. Bosa Development donated commercial space along Broadway to the SDSU Art Department to install an art gallery. Construction began in September 2004 with completion targeted for early 2008.



Aria

Anka Development is building a 137-unit condominium project with 260 parking spaces on the northeast corner of Ninth Avenue and Ash Street. Construction began in October 2005, with completion targeted for fall 2007. 24 Stories



Aloft

OliverMcMillan is nearing completion on a five to six-story, 168-unit condominium project on the south side of Date Street between Eighth and Ninth Avenues. Construction began in 2005.



Aperture

CityMark Development is building an 11-story mixed-use development comprised of 86 residential units, 4,000 square feet of retail space and subterranean parking for 131 cars. Construction began in fall 2005 with completion targeted for spring 2007.



Bayside

Bosa Development is constructing a 36-story, 241-unit condominium tower at the southeast corner of Pacific Highway and Ash Street. Construction began in November 2006 with completion targeted for summer 2009.


ICON

Levin Menzies & Associates LLC is nearing completion of a mixed-use development on the block bounded by J and K streets, 10th and 11th avenues, incorporating the historic Carnation Building. The project will consist of four residential towers ranging from five to 24 floors with 327 condominiums, 442 parking spaces and 16,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space. Construction began in September 2004, with completion targeted for early 2007. Visit www.levinmenzies.com for details.



DiamondView Tower

Cisterra Partners, LLC is building a 15-story office tower just beyond the right field fence of PETCO Park. The project will feature 250,000 square feet of office space and 75,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space. Construction began in fall 2005 with completion targeted for Spring 2007.



Hardrock Condotel

12-story, 420-room hotel, 25,000 square feet retail;. Northeast corner of 5th at L St. Anticipated completion Summer 2007. East Village - Ballpark Neighborhood


The Legend

Bosa Development is constructing a mixedused development on the block bounded by J and K streets, and Seventh and Eighth avenues. The project will contain 183 condominiums and 30,000 square feet of street-level retail in a 24-story building that will include rehabilitation of the historic Kvaas Construction building and reconstruction of the historic Station A building. Construction began in fall 2005, with completion targeted for fall 2007.



Lillian Place

Wakeland Housing has just completed a 74-unit apartment project for very low- to moderate-income families on the south side of J Street between 14th and 15th streets. The project includes one-, two- and threebedroom units, a community room, a tot lot, a garden area, underground parking, and will incorporate the historic 1401 J Street building. The project will also include exhibits commemorating the site’s historical significance to the African American community. Completion of construction is targeted for January 2007.



The Mark

Douglas Wilson Companies is building a mixed-use development on the block bound by Market Street and Island, Eighth and Ninth avenues. The 33-story project will include 233 condominiums, 11 townhomes and 8,000 square feet of retail space. Construction is underway with completion anticipated in Spring 2007.



Park Terrace

Intracorp is building a 223-unit mixed-use, two-tower project with 21,500 square feet of retail space on the block bounded by Park Boulevard, Tenth and Eleventh avenues and K Street. Construction began in January 2005, with completion anticipated in spring 2007.



Smart Corner

Lankford and Associates is constructing a mixed-use development bordered by Park Boulevard, Eleventh Avenue, C Street and Broadway. The San Diego Trolley’s College Station will separate the two structures: a 301-unit, 19-story residential tower and a five-story, 93,000 square foot office building housing 25,000 square feet of ground-floor retail, all over below-grade parking. This project is a major element of the Park-to-Bay Link. The office building has been completed, with completion of the condominium tower anticipated in April 2007.



Vantage Pointe

Pointe of View is building a mixed-use highrise on the block bounded by Ninth and Tenth avenues and A and B streets. The 40-story building will have 679 condominiums and 25,000 sf of retail/commercial space over below-grade parking. Construction began in 2005 with completion targeted for fall 2008.



The Diegan

Fifth Avenue Partners, LLC is building a 21-story condo hotel, consisting of 105 condo-hotel units on the east side of Fifth Avenue, between Broadway and C Street. The glass and steel building will house the House of Blues, the Foundation Room, Whiskey Bar lounge, Ivan Kane’s Forty Deuce, a sky bar, private wine cellar, health spa, fitness center, pool and two restaurants. The Rockwell Group, of New York City, is designing the interiors. Construction is expected to be completed in the Fourth Quarter of 2007.



Sapphire Tower

Centurion Partners and Avion Development are constructing a 32-story mixed-use project on the southwest corner of Kettner Boulevard and A Street. The project will contain 96 condominiums, 183 parking spaces, 13,000 square feet of office space and 2,000 square feet of retail space. Construction began in Summer 2006, with completion anticipated for late 2008.



The Ivy

Rehabilitation of an existing structure into a bnoutique style hotel with roof deck bar, swimming pool. North side of F St between 6th & 7th. East Village - Lower East Village Neighborhood


Hilton

32-story, 1,200-room convention style hotel, including retail shops, banquet and meeting facilities, a health club and other amenities. The hotel developers will create a 4.3 acre public park and plaza along the waterfront. Park Blvd at 8th. Anticipated Spring 2008. East Village - Ballpark Neighborhood


Alta

Anka Development is nearing completion on a 21-story mixed-use project on the south side of Market Street between Sixth and Seventh avenues. The project includes 179 condominiums, 256 parking spaces and an 11,000 square foot Longs Drug Store. Construction began in November 2004, with a March 2007 completion date targeted.



Children's Museum

3-story, state-of-the-art “green building” designed by Rob Quigley; 50,000sf of space; north side of Island between Front and Union. Anticipated completion Summer 2007. Marina Neighborhood


Breeza

Intergulf and Lennar are constructing a mixed-use development on the northeast corner of Pacific Highway and Ash Street. The project will consist of three separate buildings with 158 condominiums, 283 parking spaces and 7,100 square feet of retail space. The project will also include the revitalization of the historic Parron Hall building. Construction began in March 2006 with completion expected in summer 2008. 9 Stories

Metrowork

9-story, 60,000 square feet office, 20,0000 square feet retail. East side of India between Ash & Beech. Anticipated Fall 2006. Columbia Neighborhood


The Lofts at 655 6th Ave

OliverMcMillan is constructing a seven-story mixed use project containing 105 rental apartments and 12,000 square feet of retail space located on the southeast corner of Sixth Avenue and G Street. Construction began in March 2006 with completion targeted for Fall 2007.


Current

11-story, 146 apartments, approximately 4,000 square feet of commercial space, and three and a half levels of subterranean parking providing 236 parking spaces. South side of Cedar Street between Union & Front. Anticipated Fall 2007. Cortez Neighborhood


Lofts at 707 10th (formerly G Street East)

7-story-mixed use project, 209 condominiums, 8,500 square feet , 213 parking spaces. North side of G Street between 10th and 11th. Anticipated completion Spring 2008. East Village - Upper West Quadrant Neighborhood




APPROVED

16th & G Gateway

Avion Development is planning to construct a 3-35 story mixed-use project at 701 16th Street. The project will contain 443,000 square feet of residential space, 116,500 square feet of office space, 17,800 square feet of retail space, and 674 parking spaces.

Main Library



Lane Field


777 Beech


India & Beech

JQA Investment LP is planning to construct a 28-story mixed-use project on the southwest corner of India and Beech Streets. The project will contain 78 condominiums, 100 parking spaces, 9,721 square feet of retail space.


Embassy1414

Constellation Property Group is planning a 29 story mixed-use project at 1414 Columbia Street. The project will contain 97 residential units, 201 parking spaces, 10,000 square feet of retail space and 180,000 square feet of residential space. Construction completion is set for 2009.



Strata

Intracorp plans to develop a 236-unit condominium project with 12,100 square feet of retail space on the southwest corner of 10th Avenue and Market Street. Construction is scheduled to begin in spring 2008, with a winter 2009 completion. 23 Stories



Cosmopolitan Square

Simplon Corporation plans to construct a mixed-use project with 290 condominiums, 12,500 square feet of retail space, and 17,100 square feet of office space on the block bounded by J Street, 7th, 8th and Island avenues. The project will encompass the entire block and include the expansion of the existing Fire Station #4 facilities. The project is scheduled to start in Spring 2007, with a fall 2009 completion targeted.


Bosa @ Pacific Highway & E

Bosa Development is planning to construct a 37-story, 268-unit condominium tower with 473 parking spaces at the southeast corner of Pacific Highway and E Street. Construction is expected to begin in late 2009 with completion expected in late 2011.



Library Tower

Centurion Partners and Avion Development plan to build a 43-story mixed-use project on the northeast corner of Park Boulevard and K Street. The project will include 168 condominiums, 187 parking spaces and approximately 14,000 square feet of retail space. Construction is scheduled to begin in late 2007 with completion anticipated in early 2010.


Horton Plaza Hotel


15th & Island

Pinnacle Development will be developing a mixed-use project consisting of approximately 620 condominium units, 20,000 square feet of commercial space, and 800 parking spaces in three levels of underground parking on an approximately 120,000 square foot "super-block" site bounded by Island Avenue and 14th, 15th, and J Streets. The development would create an approximately 57,000 square foot public park on the west half of the site, with the east half of the site being developed with two condominium towers of 31- and 39-stories (approximately 370 and 430 feet tall, respectively) above a 4-6 story base (45-80 feet tall). Construction is anticipated to commence in early 2007 and be completed in mid-2009.



North Embarcadero Visionary Plan



Federal Courthouse


Old Police Headquarters


Harbor Drive Pedestrian Bridge


Solara Tower

Solara Phase II Partners, LLC are planning to construct a 23 story mixed-use project on the North side of Beech Street between 4th and 5th avenues. The project will contain 185 condominiums, 273 spaces (223 residential; 50 office)parking spaces, and 7,910 square feet of retail/commercial space. Construction is scheduled to begin in Summer 07, with completion anticipated in Summer 09.


East Village Park


Pier

CityMark Development plans to construct a 230-unit mixed use project with 366 parking spaces on the west side of Kettner Boulevard between Fir and Grape streets. The project will contain 10,500 square feet of retail space. Construction is scheduled to begin in Spring 2007 with a late 2008 completion targeted. 15 Stories



Navy Broadway Complex


Navy Building at NBC Complex


16th & Market


Ballpark Village

JMI Realty is planning a 3.2 million square-foot mixed-use project southeast of Petco Park. The mixed-use master planned community will contain a minimum of 300,000 square feet of office space, 115,000 square feet of retail space and 35,000 square feet of affordable housing, on two triangle-shaped parcels located along Park Boulevard, Commercial Street and 11th Avenue. The project may also contain parking, civic space and hotel uses. No construction schedule has been established for the project.

Hotel Indigo

(Six Continents Hotels) – Centre City Development Permit for a 12-story (118 feet) hotel with 210 rooms and ground floor café on the approximately 17,000 square-foot site located on the northeast corner of Ninth and Island avenues – East Village.

6th Avenue Office Condominiums (ENDEV)

Centre City Development Permit/Variance for 12 office condominiums (37,838 square feet of office space) and 2,162 square feet of commercial retail space in a 13-story building located at 453 and 459 Sixth Avenue – East Village.



PROPOSED

First & J

First & J (Bosa Development) – Marina Development Permit for 172 residential units and 22,600 square feet of street-level retail in a 38-story (438 feet) building located on the full-block site bounded by J Street and First, Second, and Island avenues. The project will involve an Owner Participation Agreement and the vacation and conversion of J Street into a public park/plaza – Marina.

Monaco

Ghods Builders is developing a 38-story mixed-use residential tower with 310 luxury condominiums and 40,000 square feet of retail & commercial space. No construction timeline has been established.

Riviera

Ghods Builders is developing a mixed-use residential condominium tower on the block bounded by Sixth & 7th Avenues and Ash Street. The 38-story building will have 427 luxury condominiums and 58,000 square feet of retail and commercial space over below-grade parking.


Mondrian

Gray Development is proposing a 42-story mixed-use project with 903 residential units (67 price-restricted) and approximately 47,800 square feet of commercial space on the block bounded by Eighth and Ninth avenues, and A and B streets. No construction schedule has been set.

700 W. Broadway

Irvine Company proposes to construct an office tower at the northeast corner of Broadway and Pacific Highway. Maximum height of the tower is 480 feet and 35 floors

719 Ash

BF Hospitality, LP is developing a 18-story hotel on 719 ASh Street. The hotel will also contain retail and commercial space, as well as 214 underground parking spaces. COnstruction on this project will begin in May 2008 and be completed by September 2010.


MetroLive

445 West Ash LLC plans to build a 29-story mixed-use project with 82 residential units, approximately 7,000 square feet of retail space, and 22,000 square feet of office space at the southeast corner of the intersection at Columbia and Ash streets. No construction schedule has been set.

8th Ave Hotel

8th Avenue LLC is developing a 19-story hotel located on the 1300 block on 8th Avenue. Construction is scheduled to begin by Fall 2008.

7th & Market

CCDC and the San Diego Redevelopment Agency have selected Related Cos., a private real estate development firm, San Diego-based CityLink Investment Corp. and Carrier Johnson as a joint venture team to negotiate the proposed development of a major mixed-use project at Seventh Avenue and Market Street. The $300 million project -- contained on a single block -- will have 42 stories of market rate and affordable housing, hotel, retail, street-front commercial and cultural space and a police storefront. The developers will build a 650-vehicle public parking garage that will be owned and operated by CCDC and the Redevelopment Agency.


Two America Plaza


Spinakker Hotel/Columbia Tower/Shapery Park Tower/Grand Pacific Tower


• Spinnaker Hotel - 250 Room, 5-Star Hotel

• Grand Pacific Tower -Developer Barry O’Beirne is proposing a mixed-use project featuring 86 residential units and approximately 3,100 sf of commercial space. No construction timeline has been set. 21 Stories

Shapery Park Tower

Centre City Development Permit for a 39-story (407 feet) building with 138 residential units and approximately 2,500 square feet of commercial space located at

Columbia Tower

A mixed-use development at 1270 Columbia St. in downtown San Diego is being planned for a local record-size 47-story tower with hotel and residential components, as well as a possible timeshare. No construction timeline has been established.


Pacific Pointe

(Pointe of View) – Centre City Development Permit for 403 residential units and approximately 12,000 square feet of commercial space in 5/39-story (450 feet) buildings located on the east side of Eleventh Avenue between Broadway and E Street. This project is on-hold pending an appeal of the Historical Resources Board designation for one of the buildings located on the project site – East Village.

Monarch School



Front & Ash

Essex Property Trust and Barone Galasso have obtained entitlement for a 177-unit rental apartment project with 9,500 square feet of retail space. No construction timeline has been established.


10th & B Project

The proposed project is a 22-story building with 228 housing units, ground floor retail and three-floors of subterranean parking. The project will comply with LEED standards for a residential building and potentially become the first LEED certified building in Downtown San Diego. Burger King has a lease on the existing site, and will be the tenant for the ground floor retail space. KB Homes was the original developer and received entitlements for a plan for 172 condominium units. Affirmed Housing will utilize the approved design with some revisions to the unit size, number of parking spaces and building materials.

Lighting of Coronado Bridge

This cool rendering of how the Coronado Bridge would appear if lighted blue was created by Janice Howard of Howard Sneed Architecture & Design and Cheryl Mercado, office manager, while Howard worked on concepts for her Port Bridge Lighting Subcommittee three-ring binder.


Proposals With No Images (10 Floors and Higher)


• 15th & Market (CJUF II Lankford Market LLC) – Centre City Development Permit for a mixed-use project consisting of 274 residential units and 25,000 square feet of retail space in a 5/22 story (240 feet) building located along the west side of 15th Street between Market and G streets – East Village.

• Ghods Builders filed papers as recently as Thursday to build the Monaco Condominiums located on Broadway between 8th & 9th. The application indicates construction would occur between April 1st 2008 and completed in late 2009. The height is 435 feet with an initial elevation of 65 feet. The mean height above sea level would be 500.

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how could we have forgotten about the Embarcadero Visionary Plan?!
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Sorry Guys, I meant to update the original post, but ended up messing it up. I did add more stuff to it and hopefully it will remain on the first page.

I basically got the info from CCDC. As you can see, it's still a work in progress.
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^its cool, i was wondering why it was moved down...
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whats the building in the background supposed to be?
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whats the building in the background supposed to be?
I'll take this one...

That's Vantage Pointe, where I purchased a small unit on the 31st floor.

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oo alright! thank you...and congrats on your purchase! (shame its taken this long to go up though)how bout OAP 2?? havent heard that in awhile...and its up on that list...
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oo alright! thank you...and congrats on your purchase! (shame its taken this long to go up though)how bout OAP 2?? havent heard that in awhile...and its up on that list...
I bought my unit in early 2004. At the time of purchase, the estimated completion date was late 2006 (I still have a photo showing this). Quickly, it was revised to early 2007, then mid 2007, then late 2007 and now late 2008, if we're lucky.

I think I got a good price, but the developer is calling this a luxury building while I believe that they're really a budget builder. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Frankly, I probably would have bailed out of frustration on a number of counts, including the delay, but I couldn't touch a unit with a south-facing view from 310 feet up for what I paid.
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neither do i...because i think the site refers the site that I.M. Pei wants to build a 480 footer...
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neither do i...because i think the site refers the site that I.M. Pei wants to build a 480 footer...
Yep - it's now slated to become a "signature" office tower.
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Yep - it's now slated to become a "signature" office tower.
One America Plaza 2 to be a signature tower? from what i understand, I M Pei is the right firm. But, willl it get lost behind other towers as tall or taller than it? OAP 1, Electra, NBC stuff, Grand Towers, Saphire, Bosa, the 2 hotel towers just approved, etc?
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from its location(im gunna say the parking lot directly to the west of Sante Fe station), it seems like it may only be obscured possibly a little bit by the Lane Field development...
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CCDC News Digest 3-1-07 (Board Meeting Summary)
NEWS DIGEST
Date: March 1, 2007

Contact: Derek Danziger
(619) 533-7103 or
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CCDC News Digest
Regular Meeting of the
Centre City Development Corporation (CCDC)
February 28, 2007

Special Notes: CCDC’s regular meetings are held at City Hall in the City Council Chambers, 12th Floor, City Administration Building, 202 C St. The next meeting will be at 9 a.m. on Wednesday, March 28.

The following summarizes Wednesday’s meeting:

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

CCDC PRESIDENT AND BOARD VICE-CHAIR RECOGNIZE SHELIA HARDIN, 2007 KPBS BLACK HISTORY MONTH LOCAL HERO
At Wednesday’s Board Meeting CCDC Community Relations Manager Sheila Hardin was presented with a plaque in recognition of her title as a 2007 KPBS Black History Month Local Hero. CCDC President Nancy Graham and Board Vice-Chair Robert McNeely commented on Hardin’s outstanding accomplishments and service within the San Diego community. With CCDC more than 20 years, Hardin received the Local Hero award during a ceremony on February 1 at the KPBS Copely Telecommunications Center.

GREAT PARKS, SQUARES & COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES CONFERENCE PLANNED FOR FRIDAY, APRIL 27
CCDC President Nancy Graham announced a major downtown parks and public open space conference planned for April 27. The public conference will bring together experienced and renowned planners, architects and designers of parks and public open spaces throughout the country. Participants will weigh in and offer suggestions for planning downtown’s future parks and open space. Some notable participants include Charles Jordon, Former Director of Portland Parks and Recreation and Edward Uhlir, Chicago’s Millennium Park Executive Director, among many other national and local experts. This forum is a step forward in planning downtown San Diego’s public realm and delves into 2007’s focus on parks, public open space and amenities. Additional details will soon be available at www.ccdc.com


ACTION ITEMS

1. BOARD RECOMMENDS APPROVING AGREEMENT WITH PARKSIDE TERRACE L.P. FOR NEW MIXED-USE PROJECT (EAST VILLAGE)
The CCDC Board recommended that the Redevelopment Agency approve necessary actions for acquisition and construction of Parkside, a mixed-use affordable rental housing project located on the north side of Island Avenue between 13th and 14th streets. The developer, Parkside Terrace, L.P.’s project would contain 77 apartments, 76 of which are planned affordable units. Necessary actions include termination of Owner Participation Agreement with Oak Shelter Systems, LLC. The project would involve an agency loan not to exceed $13,791,000 from the Centre City Redevelopment Low-and Moderate-income Housing Fund. (Vote: 7-0)

2. 2007 BOARD MEETING DATES APPROVED
• March 28
• April 25
• May 30
• June 27
• July 25
• August -No Meeting
• September 19
• October 17
• November 28
• December -No Meeting
(Vote: 7-0)

3. BOARD RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO SECURE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN SMART CORNER PROJECT (EAST VILLAGE)
The CCDC Board recommended that the Redevelopment Agency approve a proposed Second Implementation Agreement clarifying affordability terms and restrictions on units in the Smart Corner project. The modifications would result in the Developer designating 17 units to be sold at or below $168,000 and eight units at or below $224,900. In addition, the agreement allows for the deduction of price discounts, financial incentives and/or other concessions to buyers from the gross sales price before computing the participation payment due to the Agency. (Vote: 7-0)

4. BOARD RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING OF LEAH RESIDENCE (CORE)
The CCDC Board recommended that the Redevelopment Agency approve a proposed Second Implementation Agreement with Catholic Charities 9th and F Street Apartments LP, (Leah Residence) for an additional $852,500 from the San Diego Housing Commission. The twenty-four unit Leah Residence, in the Core neighborhood, provides social services and assists low income families including formerly homeless women and children. (Vote: 7-0)


PROJECT UPDATES

• Park It on Market (North) – Park It On Market, containing 500 parking spaces, has been operating since January 2001. For the seven months ending January 31, the garage produced gross revenues of $1,401,929, yielding a net income after debt service of $481,712, which is approximately $196,750 above budgeted net income. For the month ending January 2007 the garage produced gross revenue of $178,038, which is an 18 percent increase compared to January 2006. Overall, Park It on Market continues to perform outstandingly, with a steady trend of positive income.

• 6th & K Parkade – The 6th & K Parkade, containing 1,230 parking spaces, is a public/private venture with 1,000 spaces servicing the public, and 230 below-grade spaces servicing the Omni Hotel. The garage opened to the public on August 25, 2004. For the seven months ending January 31, the garage produced gross revenues of $1,246,212, yielding a net loss after debt service of ($129,534), which is $98,865 above budgeted net loss after debt service. For the month ending January 2007, the garage produced gross revenues of $134,003 which is a 1 percent increase compared to January 2006. The garage is currently in a start-up period; however, since opening, the garage has seen a steady increase in traffic, with monthly permits of 556 for the month ending January 2007.


PERMIT APPLICATIONS

Permit Applications in Process:

• Imperial Surface Lot (Five Star Parking) – Centre City Conditional Use Permit to allow a 75 space surface parking lot on the 20,000 square-foot parcel located at 1401 and 1435 Imperial Avenue – East Village.

• Citiplace (Essex Property Trust) – Centre City Development Permit for 140 units in a six-story building located on the north side of Ash Street between Front and First Avenue – Cortez.

• Candlewood Suites (Jacquelyn Carroll) – Centre City Development Permit for a 126-room, seven-story hotel located on the south side of Ash Street between Tenth and Eleventh avenues – Cortez.

• East Village Square Comprehensive Sign Plan (Cisterra/Bosa/JMI) – Centre City Comprehensive Sign Plan for the East Village Square, a master planned development located immediately north of the ballpark outfield between J and K streets, and Seventh and Tenth avenues. The proposed Sign Plan includes the previously approved signs at the Diamond View Tower project, Project Identification Signs for the overall development, directories and directional signs for the overall development, and signs for individual tenants. This application requires approval by the City Council – East Village.

• 6th Avenue Office Condominiums (ENDEV) – Centre City Development Permit/Variance for 12 office condominiums (37,838 square feet of office space) and 2,162 square feet of commercial retail space in a 13-story building located at 453 and 459 Sixth Avenue – East Village.

• Lucky D's (Egan Entertainment) – Centre City Conditional Use Permit to allow the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with live music, entertainment and dancing within a proposed restaurant and bar to be located at 804 Market Street – East Village.

• East Village Tavern & Bowl (East Village Tavern, LLC) – Centre City Conditional Use Permit to allow the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with live music and entertainment within a proposed neighborhood restaurant/bar and six-lane bowling alley located at 930 Market Street – East Village.

• 9th & J (7-Eleven, Inc.) – Centre City Conditional Use Permit for the off-site sale of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine only) within an existing convenience store located at 417 Ninth Avenue. Application was denied by CCDC Hearing Officer on December 11, 2006; however, an appeal was filed and the appeal is being scheduled for a hearing before the Board – East Village.

• Riva Trigoso (Zolezzi Enterprises) – Centre City Development Permit for 40 residential units and approximately 11,000 square feet of commercial retail space and 12,000 square feet of commercial office space in an seven-story building (88 feet) on the approximately 15,000 square-foot site located on the south side of Date Street between State and Columbia streets – Little Italy.

• First & J (Bosa Development) – Marina Development Permit for 172 residential units and 22,600 square feet of street-level retail in a 38-story (438 feet) building located on the full-block site bounded by J Street and First, Second, and Island avenues. The project will involve an Owner Participation Agreement and the vacation and conversion of J Street into a public park/plaza – Marina.

• 15th & Market (CJUF II Lankford Market LLC) – Centre City Development Permit for a mixed-use project consisting of 274 residential units and 25,000 square feet of retail space in a 5/22 story (240 feet) building located along the west side of 15th Street between Market and G streets – East Village.

• Shapery Park Tower (12th and A Hotel Partners) – Centre City Development Permit for a 39-story (407 feet) building with 138 residential units and approximately 2,500 square feet of commercial space located at the northeast corner of Eleventh Avenue and A Street. This project is pending completion of revised drawings – Core.

• Monaco (Ghods Builders Inc.) – Centre City Site Development Permit for 286 units and approximately 9,800 square feet of commercial space in a 34-story (350 feet) building on the north side of Broadway between Eighth and Ninth avenues. This project is pending completion of revised drawings – Core.

• Riviera Condominiums (Ghods Builders Inc.) – Centre City Development Permit for 409 units (31 affordable) and approximately 47,870 square feet of commercial space in a 37-story (380 feet) building on the north side of A Street between Sixth and Seventh avenues. This project is pending completion of revised drawings – Cortez.

• 777 Beech (J. Peter Block Companies) – Centre City Development Permit 2006-19 application for a mixed-use project along the south side of Beech Street between Seventh and Eighth avenues, directly north of the El Cortez historic building. Application is being revised per direction of Real Estate Committee – Cortez.

• 16th and J (Katalyst) – Centre City Site Development Permit for 80 residential units and approximately 3,900 square feet of commercial space in an eight-story building (92 feet) located on the southeast corner of 16th and J streets. This project was placed on-hold pending an appeal of the Historical Resources Board designation for one of the buildings located on the project site. The applicant has reinitiated formal review of the project and will be pursuing a Site Development Permit to allow the designated building to be demolished as part of the new project – East Village.

• Mondrian (Gray Development) – Centre City/Site Development Permit for 846 residential units (79 affordable) and approximately 33,000 square feet of commercial space in a 39-story (410 feet) tower located on the full block bounded by Eighth and Ninth avenues, and A and B streets. The project requires final approval by the Planning Commission, anticipated in March, 2007 – Core.

• 445 West Ash (445 West Ash, LLC) – Centre City Development Permit for 82 residential units and approximately 7,000 square feet of commercial space, and 22,000 square feet of office space in a 32-story (362 feet) tower at the southeast corner of the intersection at Columbia and Ash streets. This project is pending completion of revised drawings – Columbia.

• Pacific Pointe (Pointe of View) – Centre City Development Permit for 403 residential units and approximately 12,000 square feet of commercial space in 5/39-story (450 feet) buildings located on the east side of Eleventh Avenue between Broadway and E Street. This project is on-hold pending an appeal of the Historical Resources Board designation for one of the buildings located on the project site – East Village.

Permit Applications Approved Since Last President's Report:

• Ballpark Sky Lofts (Ballpark Sky Lofts, LLC) – Centre City Development Permit for 16 residential units in a seven-story (75 feet) building located at 542 16th Street on the west side of the street between Market Street and Island Avenue. This project is pending re-submittal of revised drawings – East Village.


• Graybill Terminal/Former Unocal Site (Graybill Ventures, LLC) – Centre City Coastal Development Permit to allow grading, excavation, and environmental clean-up (pursuant to an approved Remedial Action Plan) of the site located at 1521-1551 National Avenue – East Village.

• 613 13th Street Surface Lot (Five Star Parking) – Centre City Conditional Use Permit to allow a 206 space temporary surface parking lot on the 60,000 square-foot parcel located on the block bounded by 13th, 14th, G and Market streets – East Village.

• Albertsons (New Albertsons, Inc.) – Centre City Conditional Use Permit for the off-site sales of alcoholic beverages (General Package Store) within a 40,000 square-foot existing grocery store located at 655 14th Street. This decision is pending an appeal period – East Village.

• Hotel Indigo (Six Continents Hotels) – Centre City Development Permit for a 12-story (118 feet) hotel with 210 rooms and ground floor café on the approximately 17,000 square-foot site located on the northeast corner of Ninth and Island avenues – East Village.

• India & Beech (JQA Investments, L.P.) – Centre City Development Permit for a 27-story (303 feet) building with 73 residential units and approximately 9,600 square feet of commercial space located on the southwest corner of India and Beech streets – Little Italy.

• 16th & G Gateway (SD Megablock LLC) – Centre City Development Permit for 525 residential units (including 10% affordable units), 113,064 square feet of office space, and approximately 11,100 square feet of retail use in a 35-story building (420 feet); the proposed rehabilitation of the historic Snowflake Bakery building for retail and office uses; and, approximately 35,200 square feet of “urban open space” (over non-buildable areas due to seismic faults) located on the on the block bounded by 16th, 17th, F and G streets – East Village.

REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY/CITY COUNCIL

On February 6, the Redevelopment Agency (“Agency”)/City Council Approved:

• North Embarcadero Joint Powers Authority Agreement

• Ratification of the Annual Election of the Centre City Redevelopment Project Area Committee and Centre City Advisory Committee of the San Diego Redevelopment Agency and the City of San Diego

On February 27,the Agency/City Council heard:

• Request to Bid – Balboa Theatre Marquee & Blade Sign

On February 27, the Agency heard:

• NRG Chilled Water Agreement – Balboa Theatre Rehabilitation; and

• Sunburst Apartments – 1st Implementation Agreement

COMMITTEE MEETINGS

On February 14,:

The Real Estate Committee Approved:

• Smart Corner Second Implementation Agreement to Disposition and Development Agreement;

• Parkside – Termination of Owner Participation Agreement with Oak Shelter Systems, LLC;

• Parkside – Design Review; and

• Received an update and approved the Amendments to the Downtown Community Plan, Redevelopment Plan for the Centre City Redevelopment Project, Centre City Planned District Ordinance, and Marina Planned District Ordinance

And, Received:

• 777 Beech – Preliminary Design Review; and

• 6th Avenue Office – Preliminary Design Review

And, Heard:

• Update on the Navy Broadway Complex Project

• The Budget/Finance and Administration Committee Approved:

• Parks and Affordable Housing Acquisition Strategy

And, Discussed:

• Directors and Officers Liability Insurance; and

• Fiscal Year 2008 Budget


MARKETING & COMMUNICATIONS NEWS

CCDC’s Sheila Hardin honored as KPBS 2007 Black History Month Local Hero
At an awards ceremony on February 1, CCDC’s Community Relations Manager Sheila Hardin was recognized as a 2007 Black History Month Local Hero for her outstanding accomplishments and service within the San Diego community. Each year, distinct individuals are recognized for their outstanding efforts to promote and support the arts, business, community activism, social services and education throughout San Diego County. Hardin has worked at CCDC for more than 20 years. Among her primary CCDC responsibilities, Hardin promotes the Corporation’s redevelopment efforts to community organizations and area planning groups throughout the region. In addition, she belongs to the Southeast Rotary Club and has been involved for many years with a variety of non-profit organizations. The Black History Month awards were presented during a ceremony at the KPBS Copely Telecommunications Center. Short television segments about each of the winners ran on KPBS throughout February in conjunction with special Black History Month programming. To view the awards ceremony visit www.kpbs.org.

Tour of Downtown San Diego
San Diego City Council President Scott Peters and his staff went on a tour of downtown San Diego hosted by CCDC’s Vice President of Marketing and Communications Donna Alm and Senior Project Manager Gary Bosse. The outing included a walking tour of the Balboa Theatre and an overview of the project’s progress. It also included a bus tour of San Diego’s Western Waterfront, North Embarcadero, updates on CCDC’s affordable housing strategy and 2007 public realm focus.

COMMUNITY OUTREACH

• “Coffee with Nancy” Community Conversation Series
More than 60 people attended the first in a series of informal community conversations with CCDC President Nancy Graham on February 2. The discussion, held in CCDC’s Downtown Information Center, focused on a variety of downtown issues and projects. Discussion topics included: parks, schools, the waterfront, the Quiet Zone, the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan, C Street Master Plan, Navy Broadway, and more. The next community conversation is planned for Friday, April 6 with a location yet to be determined. To receive future email updates regarding the “Coffee With Nancy” series, visit www.CCDC.com, click on the “Sign Up for Email Alerts” link on the homepage and then check the “Coffee With Nancy” series box.

• CCDC President Attends Community Planners Committee Meeting
CCDC President Nancy Graham addressed the Community Planners Committee on January 23. The group consisted of Chairs of community planning groups throughout the City of San Diego.

• CCDC Community Relations Manager Sheila Hardin Attends Community Meetings:
Eastern Area Planning Committee - 20 attendees: February 13
Greater Golden Hill Planning Committee - 25 attendees: February 14


EQUAL OPPORTUNITY

February 27, 2007- Sachin Kalbag, CCDC Urban Designer, was the keynote presenter, speaking on the C Street Master Plan at the Women’s Transportation Seminar (WTS) February Luncheon meeting, located at the Harbor House Restaurant in Seaport Village. For additional information on this and future meetings please contact Marria Porter at Porter.Marria@aaa-calif.com.


Save the Date:

May 2 through 4- WTS will be hosting their 2007 National Conference in San Diego at the Wyndham Hotel and CCDC will be producing a downtown transportation showcase on Friday, May 4th from 2-4 p.m. (CCDC sits on the local Board of Directors). For additional information please contact Linda Culp at lcu@sandag.org.

June 22 and 23- CCDC will again be hosting the regionally award-winning Submarine Sandwiches for Subcontractors, or “Subs for Subs” event at the San Diego Cruise Ship Terminal. More information to follow.

Events:
Anne Marie Mowatt, CCDC’s Equal Opportunity Administrator (EOA) attended the following events since the last report:

January 26 - San Diego Regional Chamber of Commerce Annual Dinner
January 30 - Black Business Association Mixer
March 1 - KPBS/Union Bank- 2007 Black History Month Local Hero Award Ceremony
February 7 - San Diego Economic Development Corporation’s Annual Dinner
February 15 - Construction Management Association of America’s 2007 Owner Night
February 22-24 - Women’s Transportation Seminar Chapter Management Training

Business Opportunities

• RFQ/P for Database Consultant – CCDC is requesting proposals from qualified database consultants to provide as-needed consulting services. CCDC was created by the City of San Diego to plan and implement downtown revitalization programs on behalf of the City’s Redevelopment Agency. Small businesses, disabled veteran-owned businesses, women-owned businesses, firms owned by under-represented ethnic groups and local firms are encouraged to submit proposals. Deadline to submit proposals is Friday, March 2, 2007 at 4:30 p.m. RFP packets can be downloaded at http://www.ccdc.com (click on Business opps., RFPs and RFQs, then current RFPs and RFQs) or can be picked up at the CCDC office located on, 225 Broadway, Suite 1100, San Diego, CA 92101 (619) 235-2200. For questions or additional information, please contact A.J. Magana at (619) 533-7119 or magana@ccdc.com.

Positions Available

Senior Planner-Design Review/Landscape Architecture –

CCDC is seeking a Senior Planner. Duties include professional planning; urban design; architectural design review; landscape design review; administer codes, ordinances, development regulations and procedures; critique proposed projects; and prepare staff reports and recommendations. Bachelor’s degree and seven plus years of related experience, landscape architecture emphasis preferred. Application deadline January 31, 2007, or until filled. Equal Opportunity Employer.

Accountant/Business Manager –

CCDC is seeking a qualified individual to maintain all books and records for the corporation through financial statements and year-end audit; and office management duties, including supervising the receptionist. Candidates should have a Bachelor’s degree in accounting, business administration, economics, finance, or equivalent degree from an accredited college or university. At least five years experience in accounting and bookkeeping in maintaining financial and statistical records. Candidates must demonstrate excellence in exercise of judgment, in written and oral communications, in interpersonal skills, and use of word processing and spreadsheet software.

An application, supplemental questionnaire, and your resume, including current salary and four work-related references, should be submitted to Human Resources, Centre City Development Corporation, 225 Broadway, Suite 1100, San Diego, California 92101 or to careers@ccdc.com. Application Deadline: Monday, March 26, 2007

Executive Recruitment –

If you have any questions regarding either of these positions, listed below, please feel free to contact Gary Rogers at (541)330-8353 or Paul Kimura at (408) 399-4424.

Manager - Architecture and Planning –
Final filing date: March 21, 2007
CCDC is seeking an Architecture and Planning Manager who will provide oversight for design services in the areas of architecture, landscape architecture, urban design and planning.

This position requires a licensed architect with 10 years of project and urban design experience, with six or more years at a supervisory level. Previous experience within a high density, major urban setting along with knowledge of high quality design, entitlement and land use experience are essential.

If you are interested in pursuing this exciting career opportunity, please forward a letter of interest, your resume, current salary and the names and phone numbers of five professional references to:

Paul Kimura and/or Gary Rogers
Avery Associates
3 ½ N. Santa Cruz Ave., Suite A
Los Gatos, CA 95030
Fax: (408) 399-4423
E-mail: jobs@averyassoc.net

Manager - Redevelopment –
Final filing date: March 21, 2007
CCDC is seeking a Redevelopment Manager, which is a newly created position based on the need for central oversight of the complex economic and land use transactions within downtown.

The ideal candidate will be an exceptional negotiator with a strong economics and financial acumen, along with knowledge of RDA law. Extensive transactional experience within the municipal sector combined with knowledge of housing, public facilities, and urban planning issues related to mixed-use, commercial and office projects are required. A minimum of 10 years in the development services field with previous experiences as a manager of staff along with a Bachelor’s degree in a related field is required. Expertise in redevelopment, land use or contract law is highly desired.

If you are interested in pursuing this exciting career opportunity, please forward a letter of interest, your resume, current salary and the names and phone numbers of five professional references to:

Paul Kimura and/or Gary Rogers
Avery Associates
3 ½ N. Santa Cruz Ave., Suite A
Los Gatos, CA 95030
Fax: (408) 399-4423
E-mail: jobs@averyassoc.net

Outreach/CCDC Website:
All outreach efforts include: ccdc.com, Blue Hornet (e-based mail system),
Ethnically/trade/community-focused organizations and publications, 12 multiple public agencies, and surrounding municipalities.

PRESIDENT GRAHAM’S SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS

Previous Engagements

Date Engagement
January 21 CCAC - Navy Broadway Complex Project - Verbal Update
CCAC - Annual CCDC Report
January 29 International Economic Development Council (IEDC)
Leadership Summit










MISCELLANEOUS

• 3-D animated video for the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan (NEVP) – The Port of San Diego (the “Port”) and the Centre City Development Corporation (CCDC) have been discussing the value of producing a 3-D animated video for the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan (NEVP) for some time. At this time, with the approval of the Joint Powers Authority Agreement behind us, the need for this video has peaked. The video will be a great tool to assist in educating both policy makers and the public about the great attributes the NEVP has to offer downtown San Diego and the region.

o CCDC understands that the Port is prepared to enter into a contract with the La Jolla Group for production and delivery of a 3-D animated video. CCDC is prepared to reimburse the Port, up to $35,000 on a shared 50%-50% basis for the production of this video, which is expected to be complete for the first meeting of the Joint Powers Authority Board.

• San Diego County Regional Airport Authority – The Subcommittee formed to provide input to the Airport Authority on the proposed amendments to the Airport Land Use Compatibility Plan for San Diego International Airport (SDIA) – Lindbergh Field continues to meet and make progress. The Subcommittee, represented by a variety of interests including CCDC, the City of San Diego, and the Little Italy Association has made progress on noise impact issues (where certain land uses should be allowed) and is beginning to discuss safety issues near the airport, including potential land uses and densities to be allowed. Specific policies recognizing the uniqueness of SDIA and its proximity to downtown and other urban neighborhoods are being formulated, and staff will continue to update the Board in the coming months as a formal recommendation begins to be formulated.

• Studio 15 Affordable Housing Project (Affirmed Housing Group) – In January 2007, demolition was completed to prepare the site for construction of the planned five-story, 275-unit low-income rental housing project on a 27,000 square-foot site on the southwest corner of 15th Street and Imperial Avenue in East Village. The developer is currently processing a site remediation plan for removal and disposal of hazardous materials. Excavation work should be underway in late March. The Agency is assisting the project with a $16.5 million loan from the Centre City Low and Moderate Income Housing Fund. Completion is anticipated in 2009.

• Park Blvd. at Harbor Drive Pedestrian Bridge – At the February 13 meeting of the Unified Port District Board of Port Commissioners, the following bridge easement agreements were approved; the agreement for temporary (during construction) and permanent footings, aerial access, and elevator; and the agreement for a 16” water main relocation. Execution and recordation of both agreements are due in March. In January, both agreements were approved by the San Diego City Council.

o A project update will be provided at the March 14 CCDC Board Committee meeting.

• Cortez Hill Family Center (phase 2) – Design – a public improvement plan was approved by the City Engineer; awaiting City permit issuance. Building plan is February, with expected approval in late March/early April. On March 28, staff will take a Request to Bid item forward to the CCDC Board for a recommendation to City Council at its May 8 meeting. Advertisement for construction could occur shortly after the May 8 meeting, with a possible construction start in late summer.
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P.S. I'm not really sure what OAP 2 is.
Two America Plaza is a different project from the Irvine proposal. If built, 2AP will rise from the unfinished half of the One America Plaza block (where the big hole is now). Remember when they proposed building a new main library there at one time? These were posted some time ago if you haven't seen them before. The proposal is for 37 floors and 417' tall:







FYI - The Irvine site is across the street from Electra on the northeast corner of Broadway and Pacific Highway.

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Two America Plaza is a different project from the Irvine proposal. If built, 2AP will rise from the unfinished half of the One America Plaza block (where the big hole is now). Remember when they proposed building a new main library there at one time? These were posted some time ago if you haven't seen them before. The proposal is for 37 floors and 417' tall:







FYI - The Irvine site is across the street from Electra on the northeast corner of Broadway and Pacific Highway.

then where exactly is the Irvine Co. site? i thought the location you just described was it...
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