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Old Posted Jan 16, 2008, 10:05 AM
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So... are they just going to write articles and make plans for it, or are they actually going to do it?
The Bee will write articles about it, the city will read the articles written by the Bee, and the Natomas residents will hopefully gather together and make the Natomas Ark!
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I looked at the floodplain map for Sac County and it appears that the area of and surrounding the airport is at least 14 ft high already on the northern end and 20 ft high at the southern end. So, unless those new structures will be 6 ft tall or less, we should be fine. Unless, of course, those structures block Mayor Gotta-go's view of the planes taking off and landing. THEN, we have a problem!

Here's our answer from this mornings Sac Bee

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Levee report shocks city
Feds plan tough restrictions that could halt building in Natomas and require flood insurance.
By Mary Lynne Vellinga And Matt Weiser - mlvellinga@sacbee.com
Last Updated 6:18 am PST Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A1



One major project that could be affected is the $1.3 billion expansion of Sacramento International Airport. That project includes a new four-story terminal replacing the Terminal B complex, as well as a hotel and multistory garage.

Sacramento County airport officials said Tuesday they have met with FEMA officials and believe they still will be able to move forward. Airports Director Hardy Acree said his agency is on a fast track to obtain building permits this spring. Construction is scheduled for summer.


Full story: http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/637772-p2.html
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Here's our answer from this mornings Sac Bee

(This is just an excerpt)


Levee report shocks city
Feds plan tough restrictions that could halt building in Natomas and require flood insurance.
By Mary Lynne Vellinga And Matt Weiser - mlvellinga@sacbee.com
Last Updated 6:18 am PST Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Story appeared in MAIN NEWS section, Page A1



One major project that could be affected is the $1.3 billion expansion of Sacramento International Airport. That project includes a new four-story terminal replacing the Terminal B complex, as well as a hotel and multistory garage.

Sacramento County airport officials said Tuesday they have met with FEMA officials and believe they still will be able to move forward. Airports Director Hardy Acree said his agency is on a fast track to obtain building permits this spring. Construction is scheduled for summer.


Full story: http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/637772-p2.html
Why did the Bee so blatantly contradict itself? Amazing!
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2008, 2:32 AM
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Why did the Bee so blatantly contradict itself? Amazing!

Why do they call it "The Bee"???
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Why do they call it "The Bee"???
maybe because Sacramento used to be an agriculturally important city and because bees pollenate plants. Just a guess. But, it sounds good!
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2008, 6:07 AM
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Unlikely, since the Bee has been around since 1857 (all that 150th anniversary stuff last year) which was well before the Sacramento region became a major agricultural center...that was still technically during the Gold Rush era, before the Sacramento Valley became an agricultural powerhouse. There were some farms, but settlement was still pretty sparse.

About the name, it may have referred to the first issues' small size (printed on smaller paper to limit expenses.) Founder James McClatchy described the early paper as "It was a wee thing then and feeble in appearance, but though small, it was bright and plucky."
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because they make the news sting?
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Sac Bee Name

Here's interesting stuff from Sac Bee's website on how it got its name:

(Exerpted from The Sacramento Bee's Ombudsman column on March 24, 1991)

Glad you asked. It's been that since 1857 when James McClatchy founded the paper. An editorial on the first day of publication said: "The name of The Bee has been adopted as being different from that of any other paper in the state and as also being emblematic of the industry which is to prevail in its every department."

So, the promise was a paper as busy as a bee. (Quaint, but not a bad marketing strategy, I should think.)

The first James McClatchy used a picture of a bee on his business stationery. His son, C.K., ordered the image of a bee depicted in mosaic tile in the lobby of the old Bee office at 911 Seventh St. in 1901. That mosaic now is on permanent display at the Sacramento History Museum.

In 1943 James McClatchy's granddaughter, Eleanor, then president of The Bee, asked Walt Disney to create some new images of the insect to "lend personality and a familiar identity" to the papers and the company's radio stations.

Disney, who donated his $1,500 fee to the Army Relief Fund, came up with "Scoopy" for the papers and "Gaby" for the radio stations. The new logos were announced with great front-page fanfare in The Bee on Sept. 4. That evening, a 15-minute radio interview with Disney from Hollywood was broadcast on KFBK. Eventually, Scoopy drawings were created for all sorts of Bee promotions and events, and the fellow became ubiquitous around the paper.

Scoopy is the only Disney-created character allowed to "work" outside of the Walt Disney Company, and still lives today throughout the pages of The Bee. He can be seen at events throughout the community, greeting children of all ages.
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Just an FYI, the flood plain mapping will set minimum FINISH FLOOR heights in the Natomas area. The support structure below has to be 'breakaway' to allow for free flow of water.

It's pretty flat out there, but there is some variation in elevation IIRC and thus this 20' above grade is just the worst case scenario (but of course the number the media latches onto).

In the case of the airport, they may just have to raise the ground floor slightly and rework the grading of the aircraft aprons (at least SMF has lots of room for such things). Anything already existing would be grandfathered.

Interestingly enough, you could still build taller above grade parking structures with a building on top and meet the FEMA requirements. Density anyone?

But new single family homes? Awful expensive to raise the grade between 5'-20' to meet FEMA requirements.

It'll be interesting to see the results of these new regulations.
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Wouldn't it seem though, that after the repairs are done, and the area once again being designated 100 year flood protection, that development could continue the same as before? Wouldn't it just be another study, then it's off to the races again?
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Why is Natomas in a Suburban Development thread? Natomas is part of Sacramento, yes? A lot of Natomas feels like a suburb. Maybe it's like an honorary suburb.
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Just an FYI, the flood plain mapping will set minimum FINISH FLOOR heights in the Natomas area. The support structure below has to be 'breakaway' to allow for free flow of water.

It's pretty flat out there, but there is some variation in elevation IIRC and thus this 20' above grade is just the worst case scenario (but of course the number the media latches onto).
There's one office building on North Market near Northgate Blvd. that's built
up on a hill around 15' high. It's a single structure that was built even before
Arco One was built down the street. When you drive by, all you see from
your car is ivy growing on a hill and a sign. I'll have to get a photo someday.
Obviously, the people who built it knew the history of the area quite well.

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Why is Natomas in a Suburban Development thread? Natomas is part of Sacramento, yes? A lot of Natomas feels like a suburb. Maybe it's like an honorary suburb.
If it's not in the grid or really close in a surrounding neighborhoods, I would consider it a suburban. Honorary for sure.
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Exactly what is or isn't a "suburb" is kind of sticky, especially because Sacramento has grown quite a bit since incorporation, enveloping many neighborhoods built as suburbs of Sacramento that were originally outside the city limits or even their own incorporated cities. I'd say that Natomas is certainly suburban in form, even though it is in the city limits, so perhaps the way to describe it is as a "suburban neighborhood."
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Wouldn't it seem though, that after the repairs are done, and the area once again being designated 100 year flood protection, that development could continue the same as before? Wouldn't it just be another study, then it's off to the races again?

The Sacramento Bee also neglected to mention an important part of the process for removing the restrictive FEMA floodplain designation. Development can proceed in North Natomas under a less restrictive AR designation once SAFCA has meet certain milestones for percentage of funds appropriated, spent, and work completed. In other words, SAFCA does not have to complete 100 percent of the levee improvements before development may proceed.
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The Sacramento Bee also neglected to mention an important part of the process for removing the restrictive FEMA floodplain designation. Development can proceed in North Natomas under a less restrictive AR designation once SAFCA has meet certain milestones for percentage of funds appropriated, spent, and work completed. In other words, SAFCA does not have to complete 100 percent of the levee improvements before development may proceed.
So if the levee work gets funding in the pipeline (etc) then FEMA removes the floodplain designation? Interesting...are there published timelines that the city/county has agreed to for levee work? Who actually pays for it? (Is there federal money available?)

Seems like any sort of moratorium or additional restrictions on development in Natomas would be a huge revenue loss for the city...especially in this economy.

Just curious...
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On another note...did you guys know that Zaha Hadid was picked to design the new City Hall in Elk Grove? Stantec (Gordon Chong's old office) will be the local architect of record. I'm told that the city is still in contract negotiations with Hadid and her firm for the design so final renderings will still be some months off.
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Yeah there was an article published in Sactown Magazine that said she
was in the running - then later published somewhere else that she had
won the bid.

Funny thing, is that her "plan" is nothing more than a series of abstract
shapes stretched across a flat plain. But yes, I'm thoroughly intrigued and
can't wait to see what comes of it.

Thanks for the additional info.
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Has anyone been following the Greenbriar annexation? Apparently AK Tsakopoulis owns 500 or so acres north of North Natomas, and wants to build a new greenfield suburb on it. It's in the zone that just got de-certified from 100 year flood status, so nothing could be built until after the levees get fixed. RT is backing it because they think it could be a "transit-oriented village" stop on the DNA Light Rail line to the airport, although how and when they'll get Light Rail there through Natomas is still anybody's guess. Normally building the subdivision before the transit guarantees that the transit will never arrive (see North Natomas, which was also supposed to be a "transit-oriented village built without the benefit of transit.)

Methinks "transit-oriented village" is the new word for "suburb." There are other issues to consider--such as the fact that these suburbs, whoops, I mean "transit-oriented villages", are creeping closer and closer to the airport, and whether the folks who move there might suddenly realize that not only do they live in a flood zone and the promised Light Rail line may not arrive until they're ready to move to the retirement home, but that they're on the southern end of an airport runway.
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I've followed it for as long as i can stomach it - so very very little. I had the
pleasure of sitting through the Planning Commission hearing on the subject,
while waiting to speak in favor of a true transit oriented development. There
wasn't anything said that was encouraging or spoke to a good reason for
approving Greenbriar. There were protesters all over the place and they
spoke one by one against it. Planning Commission board member, Barry
Wasserman spoke passionately against it. The RT chief was clueless as to
when they could possibly make it that far. Though, he did say it would take
8 years to cross the river. Every person I attended the Planning Academy
with was completely confounded as to why the City would want to take on
something like this.

And the only reason I can think of, is that all these local planners and regional
councils want to get another chance to build a cool project like they show in
the PowerPoint presentations.
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