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Old Posted Mar 18, 2011, 5:26 AM
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Is Abraham Lincoln well known in Europe?

Abraham Lincoln is one of the most important figures in American history. He is quite possibly our greatest president. His quotes are famous and often cited. He is treated here as though he is an internationally famous figure. My question is, are Europeans highly knowledgeable on Abraham Lincoln, is he as big a figure over there as he is here. He is treated as a world figure here in America and I just wanted to know if he is as well known in Europe as he is in America.
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No he isnt big here, infact most younger people probably dont even know who he is, to me he was just an american president
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Abraham Lincoln Statue - Parliament Square - London - UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_Square

http://london.usembassy.gov/lincoln.html



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That's odd. I wouldn't expect Brits to know any more about Abraham Lincoln than I do about Oliver Cromwell (that is, not very much).

New Orleans has a statue of Simon Bolivar, which is equally weird
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It seems that many Europeans are more likely to be a little more informed about historical figures from other parts of the world than Americans though Abraham Lincoln in particular I wouldn't expect to come to mind there as easily as, say, John F. Kennedy or Franklin Roosevelt.
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in NYC theres a statue for everybody...even Chinese emperors get statues.
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It seems that many Europeans are more likely to be a little more informed about historical figures from other parts of the world than Americans though Abraham Lincoln in particular I wouldn't expect to come to mind there as easily as, say, John F. Kennedy or Franklin Roosevelt.
There is a big statue of Roosevelt in Grosvenor Square, as well as a statue of Eisenhower. There is also another statue of Abraham Lincoln in Manchester in England.


John F. Kennedy has a memorial at Runnymede in Surrey, England.

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/d...-and-politics/

Other notable links to US Historical figures in England include Washington Old Hall and the Manor House in Northamptonshire (ancestral Homes of the Washington family ancestors of George Washington). Thetford in Norfolk - Thomas Paine's home town. William Penn's grave in Buckinghamshire, Benjamin Franklin's house in London, Harvard House in Stratford Upon Avon, Elihu Yale's grave in Wrexham in Wales. John Bunyan (Pilgrims Progress) grave at Bunhill in London and statue in Bedford, Pocahontas's grave at Gravesend near London, the American Artist Whistler who is tburied at St. Nicholas's Church in Chiswick, American writer T.S Elliott buried in Golders Green in London and numerous others. There are blue plaques throughout London many having significance to Americans such as the places where Jimmy Hendrix lived or where he died in London, places where Eidenhower lived or places where people such as John. F. Kennedy or Nancy Astor lived.

You can find more on these links -

http://london.usembassy.gov/culture/...nnections.html

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/d...ican-heritage/

http://www.benjaminfranklinhouse.org...ns/default.htm

http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/ma...old%20hall.htm

http://houses.shakespeare.org.uk/harvard-house.html

http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/small/item/GTJ15023/

JFK plaque (below), 13-14 Princes Gate SW7, Knightsbridge, London. 13-14 Princes Gate was the residence of the American Ambassador to the Court of St James from 1921 until 1955. JFK lived there with his family when his father, Joseph Kennedy, was ambassador 1938 - 40.



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That's odd. I wouldn't expect Brits to know any more about Abraham Lincoln than I do about Oliver Cromwell (that is, not very much).

New Orleans has a statue of Simon Bolivar, which is equally weird
I suppose there is so much history in London that it tends to get forgotten about.

Such as the East End streets of Stepney in London where a young Joseph Stalin lived, and was badly beaten by Irish dockers after propositioning a young Irish girl for sex.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle1839725.ece

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbi...ns-east-end.do

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin also lived in London and it was in London that Lenin and Stalin are believed to have first met and where they met up with fellow Russian Leon Trotsky.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8658408.stm

The Carlton Hotel in London where Ho Chi Minh worked, Minh later returned to Vietnam and became leader of the communist forces.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/3725891.stm

Ghandi also lived in London

http://www.tiredoflondontiredoflife....is-london.html

Adolf Hitler also had family in England and his nephew was born in London.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler,_Jr.

Osama Bin Laden applied for asylum in London, his family being millionaire property developers. Bin Laden lived in London for a period in the 1990's.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle572559.ece

More recently Saif al-Islam Gaddafi (son of the Libyan Leader) attended the London School of Economics

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ht/9407335.stm

There are numerous such historical events - all largely washed away in the massive tide of history that engulfs cities such as London.

Rather ironic though that as well as being host to many great American figures, London also played host to the seeds of communism (Karl Marx lived in London and is buried at Highgate), the seeds of the cold war, the seeds of the Vietnam War and the seeds of the current War on Terror.


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Is Abraham Lincoln a skyscraper?

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I don´t think so, like Carlos I in America...
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Is Abraham Lincoln a skyscraper?

Lincoln Tower??
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We sure learn about Abraham Lincoln in School but ofcourse some peolple just dont attend school or are asleep so I my guess is that about 70% of the swedish 18year old youth cold answer that question.

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I can only speak for the UK. Here, as in most places, there is a pretty widespread ignorance about history in general - a lot of people, for example, have never heard of Magna Carta. World War II is pretty much the only major historical event that you can guarantee everyone has heard of.

Having said that, amongst people who have an interest in history, I'd say Lincoln is a major figure. The fact that he is associated with the end of slavery makes him a universal hero for human rights, along with the likes of Ghandi. He's probably more famous here than William Wilberforce, who led the abolition campaign in England.

Most of these people will know about his assassination and would recognise phrases like 'last full measure of devotion' - though they probably wouldn't know that it was Lincoln who coined them.

In London, as well as the statue in Parliament Square, there is a smaller one just inside the back entrance of the Royal Exchange, which is now a fancy restaurant. I don't know why it's there, but I'm kind of glad that it is.


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You know, I was doing some research and I found that the man who is widely considered Englands greatest Prime Minister, Lord Palmerston was in office at the same time as the man considered Americas greatest President, Abraham Lincoln. They both served from 1860-1865 and they both died in office the same year.
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thats from an episode of the simpsons isnt it?
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Vladimir Ilyich Lenin also lived in London and it was in London that Lenin and Stalin are believed to have first met and where they met up with fellow Russian Leon Trotsky.

Rather ironic though that as well as being host to many great American figures, London also played host to the seeds of communism (Karl Marx lived in London and is buried at Highgate), the seeds of the cold war, the seeds of the Vietnam War and the seeds of the current War on Terror.
Great research!

There used to be a statue of Lenin in Islington - as you might imagine, it got vandalised a few times. Now it lives in the Islington Museum:


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There is a big statue of Roosevelt in Grosvenor Square, as well as a statue of Eisenhower. There is also another statue of Abraham Lincoln in Manchester in England.
Well the first two are because the US Embassy is located in Grosvenor Sq

The Lincoln statue in Manchester is actually an interesting one. Manchester used to be known as Cottonopolis because of all the textiles factories. Obviously, during the civil war Manchester could have continued to buy cotton from the Southern States, instead the workers in Manchester refused to work with Confederate cotton as to do so would mean money flowing into the Confederacy and support slavery.

This self-imposed ban, caused massive unemployment, hardship and starvation in Manchester but is a great example of solidarity, even at the price of individuals on well-being.
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Well the first two are because the US Embassy is located in Grosvenor Sq

The Lincoln statue in Manchester is actually an interesting one. Manchester used to be known as Cottonopolis because of all the textiles factories. Obviously, during the civil war Manchester could have continued to buy cotton from the Southern States, instead the workers in Manchester refused to work with Confederate cotton as to do so would mean money flowing into the Confederacy and support slavery.

This self-imposed ban, caused massive unemployment, hardship and starvation in Manchester but is a great example of solidarity, even at the price of individuals on well-being.
Great bit of history, although whilst Manchester stuck to it's principles and rallied aganst slavery in the southern states, neighbouring Liverpool was building war ships for the south. Liverpool was even the unofficial home of the confederate fleet during the US Civil War.

http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Liverpo...federate_Fleet

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/m...ilt-ships.aspx

I suppose Manchester and Liverpool have always had a good deal of rivalry from economic and political rivalry through to cultural and sporting rivalry, and today this rivalry manifests itself on the football field.

As for the North and South of the US, the Mason-Dixon line is named after surveyors Charles Mason from Gloucestershire and Jeremiah Dixon from County Durham in England. In fact it's believed Dixon's name may have been the origin of the term Dixie, as in Dixieland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason%E2%80%93Dixon_Line

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I think he's well known here and not abroad because his greatest accomplishments were domestic, where as our first President, and any President involved with big issues overseas, would be greater known.
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Not sure about Lincoln but Europeans love JFK. Virtually every city has a street named after him. Hell, Berlin has an entire museum next to the Brandenburg Gate dedicated solely to him.
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