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Old Posted Apr 27, 2007, 1:46 AM
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That part of Laval is NOT low density ex-outer-burb or whatever you want to call it. The metro of Laval will serve the whole island of Laval and the northern shore (outer burbs) by shortening the travel time of buses to Montreal.

Yes there is denser parts of Montreal not served by the Metro but those parts are on the island, no clogged bridges are taken to go downtown, and most metro stations are a short distance by bus.

Laval is growing at a much faster rate than Montreal and is at 366k of population with most of its territory still being farmland and forest (look it up on google). At that rate, more bridges will be needed in the future, so why not take the money of ONE bridge and build an extension into Laval?
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TOTALLY AGREE

I rather see a Metro in Laval than a new expensive bridge built for more cars and pollution.
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is Montreals subway system bigger than Torontos??
MOntreal has 68 stations and Toronto has 69.(the magic number!)
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2007, 3:04 AM
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I know all about cost, etc.

But in the Laval case, it totally makes sense to just extend the subway into Laval, and make that the terminius.

It would have been stupid to make people change to LRT or something to go into Laval.

Laval is a natural end for the subway, and all the buses feed into it. It makes total sense.

Laval is totally different then the Vaughan extension in Toronto.

Now Montreal has its south shore and north shores connected to the island of Montreal by METRO.
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And one thing to consider, is that the commuter train network will connect with the metro in laval, thus reducing time for those who take the commuter train, and don't work downtown montreal, but instead closer to the north end of the city.

And the less transfer you make, the more chance you have to enjoy and continue to take public transit, an LRT, as nice as cheap as it sounds, would have created 3 transfers instead of 2 actually and 2 with the metro in laval, and that is one thing that would have made it less popular,
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I honnestly don't believe in LRT, its either metro for the denser areas or commuter trains for the farthest places.
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I honnestly don't believe in LRT, its either metro for the denser areas or commuter trains for the farthest places.
What, exactly, is there to 'believe' or 'not believe?' It's not a matter of faith.
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Subways out to Vaughn and Laval serve low-density affluent populations. And unlike the affluent people living in urban neighbourhoods, I don't think the suburbs quite have the "transit culture" of the city.
laval is more similar to north york and scarborough than it is to vaughn, which bears more resemblance to montreal's outer-ring suburbs.
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What, exactly, is there to 'believe' or 'not believe?' It's not a matter of faith.
i.e. prefer metro or BRT, LRT is for pansies
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Next up, should be the Extension of the Blue line all the way to Anjou and St-Leonard. I still can't believe that some of the denser parts of the city don't have access to the Metro.
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This was the most needed extension for the system. However there is a lot more to be done. Unfortunately, because of the perceived cost overrun (something like 150 million ballooning to 750 million, because someone forgot to calculate how much it costs to build per km), public support will be low for any new extension.

There looks to be plans underway to extend line 2 from Cote-Vertu to the Bois-Franc commuter train station in St-Laurent. In the event of this I think they should connect Bois-Franc to Montmorency to create a loop. http://mtlurb.com/forums/attachment....4&d=1169788373

Other Priorities I'd say is extending the Blue Line and Yellow Line. The Blue Line could run as far east as Anjou, and as far west as Lachine or Montreal West. The Yellow line could be extended for the "denser" parts of the south shore (Old Longueuil, St-Lambert, Brossard, perhaps Greenfield Park or the Lafleche part of St-Hubert). It might also be worth looking at extending the Green Line to Nuns' Island.
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Extending the orange line from Côte Vertu to Bois Franc might not be a bad idea...mostly because it's only a 2 station extension(i think?) The Blue Line extension to Anjou is the MOST important of them all.

Extending the Yellow line into Longueuil might be good as well, however, if they ever do that, it,ll be towards CEGEP Édouard Montpetit which is in the denser parts of Longueuil.

As far as extending the metro to Brossard and St-Lambert...I think an LRT next to the Champlain Bridge would be a better Idea. It would start at the New Chevrier Bus station(which is right next to Quartier Dix30) and it could pass through Nun's Island on it's way to downtown. It would cost much less, and would do a great job of getting the tens of thousands to and from work every day!
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The West Island really needs a METRO extension or commuter rail that operates more then every hour or two hours.

Transit service to the West Island is not very competative with the car at all.

So that should probably be the priority, since the East End of of the island really is not that far from METRO service like the West Island is.
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The west (waste) island is very well deserved by commuter trains during rush hours.

The problem is that between the west island and the metro system there's a huge industrial/airport gap. I think its about 10 kms. So you would need 10kms at 150M$/KM of tunnel before it becomes intresting.

The best solution for the west island is to have dedicated commuter train lines so the trains can pass more often.
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The west (waste) island is very well deserved by commuter trains during rush hours.

The problem is that between the west island and the metro system there's a huge industrial/airport gap. I think its about 10 kms. So you would need 10kms at 150M$/KM of tunnel before it becomes intresting.

The best solution for the west island is to have dedicated commuter train lines so the trains can pass more often.
Well, not necessarily. If you continued the blue line west from Snowdon through densely populated NDG, Lachine and Dorval, you're already at Trudeau airport. Further west and your population densities drop, but a metro to the airport would be brilliant IMO. I'll post a suggested route in a minute.
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MOntreal has 68 stations and Toronto has 69.(the magic number!)
Despite Toronto's "magical number", Montreal's metro is still sexier!

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Look at this proposal (1976), Wikipedia



Remember these old maps from the late 80s/early 90s? Shows the rough route of a new metro line under Boul. Pie IX.



Wikipedia:

Construction began in May 1962 and was engaged before Montreal was chosen as host of the 1967 World's Fair (Expo 67), held in the summer of 1967. Regardless of the fair, the city badly needed a mass transportation system, projects dating back to 1910. The main lines (Green (Line 1), Atwater to Frontenac; and Orange (Line 2), Bonaventure to Henri-Bourassa) were opened gradually starting in October 1966, with the Yellow line (Line 4) (Berri-de-Montigny) to Longueuil, on the south shore of the Saint Lawrence River) not opened until April 1967.


1976 Montreal Metro map, with planned extensions to Lines 2 Orange and 5 BlueA Line 3 was originally intended, as a surface metro running in part through the existing railway tracks running under Mount Royal to Cartierville. But then, as negotiations with the Canadian National Railway (CN Rail) for the use of their tracks and tunnel were stalled, Montreal was chosen as host of the Expo 67 (1967 World Fair). Plans and budgets were therefore redirected for the design and construction of a replacement line, Line 4, constructed especially for Expo 67, in place of the never built Line 3, which tracks are now used for the Deux-Montagnes commuter train. The Montreal Metro nonetheless continues to be numbered as if this proposed line had been constructed as Line 3 of the Metro.

With the awarding of the 1976 Summer Olympics to Montreal, construction began in October 1971 for the extension of Line 1 from Frontenac to Honoré-Beaugrand to service the main Olympic site; the new stations were opened in June 1976.


1980s Montreal Metro map, with planned eastern extension to Line 5 BlueLater, Line 1 was extended from Atwater to Angrignon (September 1978), while Line 2 was extended from Bonaventure to Place-Saint-Henri (April 1980), Snowdon (September 1981), Côte-Sainte-Catherine and Plamondon (January and June 1982), and Du Collège (January 1984).

Two years later, a new line (Blue (Line 5)) was built from De Castelnau to Saint-Michel (June 1986), with transfers to Line 2 at Jean-Talon, and Line 2 was extended further to Côte-Vertu (November 1986). Line 5 was then extended to Parc (June 1987), Acadie (March 1988), and the existing Snowdon station on Line 2 (January 1988). To this date, the Montreal Metro is Canada's second largest subway system.

The lines however, were not planned to end where they eventually did in 1990; Line 2 was originally meant to have two or three more stations beyond Côte-Vertu, however, priority funding was given to Line 5; The plans for Deguire/Poirier, Bois-Franc, and Salaberry stations were scrubbed. Line 5 itself was shortened due to funding issues. It has originally been projected to have stops west of Snowdon (Côte Saint-Luc, Cavendish, Montréal-Ouest, Lafleur) and east of Saint-Michel (Pie-IX, Viau, Lacordaire, Langelier, Galeries d’Anjou).

An entire metro line in initial planning was also scrubbed, the so-called Line 7 / Pie IX - Saint-Leonard / White Line, also due to the same funding issues. Proposed for the first time by the Bureau des Transports de Montréal (BTM) in September 1983, the original project for a new north-south line (Line 7, the number 6 being reserved for another surface metro line proposed by the Ministère des Transports du Québec (MTQ)) would have had 10 stations (from Pie-IX to Léger), which then got formally proposed by the Communauté urbaine de Montréal (CUM) at the start of 1984, this time having 12 stations (from Pie-IX to Maurice-Duplessis/Langelier).

While a number of proposals for further expansion had been studied, the Quebec provincial government placed a moratorium on further metro construction. In 2002, construction begun on an extension of Line 2 from Henri-Bourassa under the Rivière des Prairies to Montmorency on the island of Laval (northwest of the island of Montreal); the extension is completed and the opening of the three new Metro stations is set for April 28, 2007.

Other expansion proposals currently being considered involve Line 4 being extended a short distance beyond Longueuil–Université-de-Sherbrooke and Line 5 being extended farther northeast beyond Saint-Michel; the plan to extend Line 5 from Snowdon into the Notre-Dame-de-Grâce area of Montreal has apparently been discarded.

There has been a huge push by residents of Montreal's West Island to have the metro extended out to the region. There were early plans to continue the blue line past the Snowdon station and into Montreal West, but that never materialized. Nonetheless, many Montrealers agree that the metro should be extended at least to Dorval, to help better connect downtown with Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport.

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^ That's hilarious. I just spent 15 minutes (and about $2 billion) making this extension from the existing Snowdon station:



Now, if we can get Charest to forego his $700m tax cut and spend it on something useful we'd already be a third of the way there. My consulting fees promise to be quite substantial, however.
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don't touch the tax cuts hehehe

but I see the point up to Mtl ouest, but after that its too sparse, the residential areas are too thin around the stations.
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