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What's the white skelaton structure in the middle?
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What's the white skelaton structure in the middle?
The entrance to Santiago Calatrava's train terminal (PATH station).
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An "expensive new tower" will be built regardless of who is in charge. Their lease is running out and they have no room in their existing setup. They will be in new facilities whether at the Penn Hotel site, the WTC or WFC.

I bet you they go to Penn. The other two sites make no financial sense, and every indication from the bank is for a new Midtown tower.
You're probably right.

Also, although they are the lead, they aren't the only firm looking at these towers for space. The clock is ticking.
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I don't believe that Merrill is going to be taking intentions form O'Neal into consideration. The man has caused them the biggest corporate loss in nearly 100 years, and on top of that he wanted a 4 billion dollar tower. Now I'm not aware of the companies finances, but I do know that any company that takes that big of a financial hit isn't running out to build a new multi billion dollar tower.
Regardless of who's in charge, the company has to stay in business, and has to have an address. I'm sure O'Neal wasn't the only hand in considering those options. Otherwise, they would have picked the Hotel Penn site long ago. I think it comes down to the Hotel Penn site, or Tower 3. I don't believe they are going to pick up and start from scratch because time is ticking.
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The entrance to Santiago Calatrava's train terminal (PATH station).
I like Calatrava's work it resembles the one swan like structure he did in Milwaukee. Are there any renderings showing the inside?
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I'm sure O'Neal wasn't the only hand in considering those options. Otherwise, they would have picked the Hotel Penn site long ago.
Well that was all before the big financial loss. I have no doubt that the weather has changed inside the heads of the Merrill Lynch board of executives. What may have seemed practical 1 month ago, may not be the case in present time.
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Well that was all before the big financial loss. I have no doubt that the weather has changed inside the heads of the Merrill Lynch board of executives. What may have seemed practical 1 month ago, may not be the case in present time.
I was a big financial loss, but not one that would hurt the company to that point. (btw, Merrill is far from the only one feeling those losses).

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Merrill Lynch CEO O'Neal Out

Despite the third-quarter loss, analysts consider the vast majority of Merrill's business to be in perfectly fine shape.
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(btw, Merrill is far from the only one feeling those losses).
Citigroup.
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Yup, among others. Merrill will remain strong, which is why Downtown is pulling so hard for the company to say there.
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Regardless of who's in charge, the company has to stay in business, and has to have an address. I'm sure O'Neal wasn't the only hand in considering those options. Otherwise, they would have picked the Hotel Penn site long ago. I think it comes down to the Hotel Penn site, or Tower 3. I don't believe they are going to pick up and start from scratch because time is ticking.

They should all have spoken up 5 years ago, before the current WTC plan was set in stone. The WTC could have been designed around their needs...
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They should all have spoken up 5 years ago, before the current WTC plan was set in stone. The WTC could have been designed around their needs...
Yeah, remember all the cries about "too much office space"? They're singing a different tune now. Imagine if the entire site had been left for just a memorial (as Guiliani had wanted). Where would Downtown be then?
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Yeah, remember all the cries about "too much office space"?

I keep waiting for a single editorialist to admit just how wrong they were back then. I guess I'll have to wait quite a while longer...
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I keep waiting for a single editorialist to admit just how wrong they were back then. I guess I'll have to wait quite a while longer...
Just don't hold your breath...
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are their any floorplans availible? Ive looked all over but only found elevations and render.
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When I first saw that proposal I thought that would have been awesome if it was in the NWTC (maybe even taking FT's spot), but I actually think it will look much better in it's current proposed location. 3WTC is what has my heart, and that new building is definately trying to steal it! lol
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Nouvel's new building makes 3 WTC look downright pedestrian...
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I think 3 WTC's design is much better. That's just my opinion.
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are their any floorplans availible? Ive looked all over but only found elevations and render.
Rogers' website may or may not have something like that, I can't recall.


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When I first saw that proposal I thought that would have been awesome if it was in the NWTC (maybe even taking FT's spot), but I actually think it will look much better in it's current proposed location. 3WTC is what has my heart, and that new building is definately trying to steal it! lol
Two of the best new towers for the city right now, and I love Foster's tower. I've been trying to wrap my head around how a taller and larger Tower 3 would fit in with the others. May as well make them all equal in height to the old Twins. Then we could have the triplet towers. (No offense to Extell's west side proposal).
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"May as well make them all equal in height to the old Twins. Then we could have the triplet towers. (No offense to Extell's west side proposal)."

Heck, Why NOT? The biggest challenge for lower Manhattan right now is lack of Class A office rental space. Yeah, it would mess up Libeskind's concept of an ascending spiral, but at the rate of new tower construction, it might not be too long before other towers would obscure the view of the "spiral" anyway. And while they're at it, they should figure out how to merge bases, to create those huge trading floors that are suddenly considered so necessary...
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