Originally Posted by NYguy
It doesn't matter what they're there for, your argument is that you don't like them, and want them hidden. That's fine, and no one has to like everything. Most people prefer it just the way it is, and that's fine also. You're not going to convince anyone otherwise, so there's no use getting worked up about it.
Personally, I think its the best of the WTC designs, and am curious how tower 2 would have looked with a more related design. We know there was a flirtation with it...but it probably would have been too
(images were posted in the tower 2 thread, from wtc.com)
Let me just point out something. If Tower 2 originally had a similar bracing style as Tower 3, and Tower 2's bracing was removed, then how come Tower 3's bracing isn't? I'm not trying to "get worked up" about it, I was just wondering why Tower 3'd design remains as is.
They're both towers (not the same height, but similar), and yet only one of them get's the bracing design (tower 3), and the other one got it remove (tower 2). I mean, one tower isn't going to collapse if those "X" bracings were removed.
This supports my statement:
Originally Posted by The Grant Architect
As you can see on the 3WTC, behind the X braces are 2 vertical beams. This should be enough to support that side. If you look on the north and south side of the facade, you can see 4 major vertical beams there. These are enough to support the tower all the way to the top. Not to mention the central core of the 3WTC.
We've got enough support there. Those X braces aren't needed. If they're for looks, I'm just suggesting they'd be hidden behind the glass facade so it won't look so obvious.
This divides up the conversation into 2 parts: structural and design.
If tower 2's "X" style bracing got removed and remains as is, why doesn't tower 3's do the same? I mean, with the current design being implemented, tower 2 is still going to rise and stand freely without those "X" bracings. Consider this a hypothetical question. No need to answer it.
It just doesn't make sense that one tower's cross bracing was removed, but the other remains, and yet, they don't benefit the tower's structural integrity.
Originally Posted by Apex
wow i am just going to come out and say it is a damn good thing they did not end up using those designs for tower 2. phew!!
Yes, I agree. This brings back the discussion of design vs. tower 3. Personally, I have to agree with you, because those X bracings on those tower 2 models stick out too much, and as I said earlier "make it stand out negatively".
Like I said before, they removed the X bracing probably because Tower 2 does not need them, and it already has enough support with the other vertical steel columns that are already in place.
Same applies with Tower 3: If the X bracings were removed, the tower will still stand.
I'm not going to argue whether the design is bad or not. I respect everyone's opinions, but in my own opinion, the "X" bracing should be placed behind the curtain wall so it would not look so obvious.
Second of all, I'm just saying that the "X" bracings aren't needed to make the tower stand. There are alot of people that said that they needed those X bracings for the tower to stand, but in reality, those other vertical steel columns are already there, and that SHOULD be enough to hold the tower in place.